Report: Red Sox want H. Ramirez back

[Tr1boy]

Marlins though have said no. Talks involve them wanting back ellsbury and bucholz. Though i can't see the redsox in their right minds refusing to give them up for a talent like h. ramirez so there must have been more to it.

Honestly i would even add jed lowrie to get this deal done with us getting another player (a decent catching prospect).

Could always move bay to cf and patch up the right field somehow.

Ramirez, ortiz, pedroia, youk, drew sounds too good for me

[Tr1boy]

another guy in a forum about this topic wrote

"i like the deal. i would even throw in jed lowrie. we can kkep ramirez as SS. then sign baldelli for center. or move drew to center and still sign baldelli to back up and then get dunn or abreu for right."

which would make alot of sense if lowrie was also given up. Instead of lowrie if they wanted bowden buchols and ellsbury i would do that.

Marlins could be tempted to do such a deal because ramirez is costing them alot, plus they need talent everywhere else other than SS position including pitching.

Redsox reason is obvious.

Even though this deal most likely won't pull through for the sox i wonder who else the sox could get for ellsbury, bucholz or both.

[lon3lytoaster]

By all means. I'd love Hanley back within the organization, and I wouldn't even mind Manny ; )

[nickagneta]

This is old news and has already completely cooled down. I think it's a great idea but unless Theo is willing to give up three pitching prospects(think Buchholz, Hagadone, and Bowden) and Lowrie or two pitching prospects(think Buchholz and another extremely highly placed prosepect) plus Ellsbury, then it's not going to happen. Personally, I would send the three prospects and Lowrie and see if you could get away with only giving up one of these three prospects, Buchholz, Masterson, and Bowden. Hanley Ramirez is going to be the best player in the game for a decde to come. His bat added to this lineup would be infinitely more explosive long term than if Texiera had signed here.

But Theo thinks his pitching prospects are gold and is extremely reluctant to trade them away. That's great but at some point the SS and Catcher positions are going to need to be addressed and let's not forget that this team is also stacked in pitching at the major league level with as much as seven All Star level, under 30 arms in Papelbon, Ramirez, Delcarmen, Lester, Matzusaka, Masterson and Beckett. There's only so much young talent that can make it to the majors before having to make room for the talent in the minors or deal it.

I say recontact the Marlins and find a way to get Ramirez back in the fold.

[winsomme]

this is an amazingly good idea. SS is the exact right position to fill with a big hitter like Hanley.

too bad no more Coco because i think i would do Ellsbury/Bucholz to get him...

[Chris]

Marlins though have said no. Talks involve them wanting back ellsbury and bucholz. Though i can't see the redsox in their right minds refusing to give them up for a talent like h. ramirez so there must have been more to it.

Honestly i would even add jed lowrie to get this deal done with us getting another player (a decent catching prospect).

Could always move bay to cf and patch up the right field somehow.

Ramirez, ortiz, pedroia, youk, drew sounds too good for me

I think it would take even more than Ellsbury, Bucholtz and Lowrie.  I would guess they would ask for at least Bowden as well, if not for more.

This whole thing is pretty rediculous anyways.  Although I am sure the Sox inquired, there is no reason for the Marlins to sell, so the cost would almost definitely be prohibitive. 

I chalk this up to a writer making more of a throwaway discussion by GMs that never had a chance to go anywhere.

[winsomme]

Marlins though have said no. Talks involve them wanting back ellsbury and bucholz. Though i can't see the redsox in their right minds refusing to give them up for a talent like h. ramirez so there must have been more to it.

Honestly i would even add jed lowrie to get this deal done with us getting another player (a decent catching prospect).

Could always move bay to cf and patch up the right field somehow.

Ramirez, ortiz, pedroia, youk, drew sounds too good for me

I think it would take even more than Ellsbury, Bucholtz and Lowrie.  I would guess they would ask for at least Bowden as well, if not for more.

This whole thing is pretty rediculous anyways.  Although I am sure the Sox inquired, there is no reason for the Marlins to sell, so the cost would almost definitely be prohibitive. 

I chalk this up to a writer making more of a throwaway discussion by GMs that never had a chance to go anywhere.

wow. i don't know. i think Ellsbury and Bucholz and maybe one other decent prospect would do it.

i don't think it would take 4 top prospects to get Hanley....

[winsomme]

How many more years before Hanley gets the big money? isn't it like 6 years or something like that from drafting....

he's gotta be closing in on that and Florida is always turning guys over before they get those big deals.

[Chris]

How many more years before Hanley gets the big money? isn't it like 6 years or something like that from drafting....

he's gotta be closing in on that and Florida is always turning guys over before they get those big deals.

They signed him to a team friendly contract through 2014...which is the main reason why I don't think there is anything to it. 

[MBz]

How many more years before Hanley gets the big money? isn't it like 6 years or something like that from drafting....

he's gotta be closing in on that and Florida is always turning guys over before they get those big deals.

He's already getting paid pretty good money, about 12 mil a year I believe, but thats not big for his talent.  He's arguably the best player in the game.  I personally think it will take Clay B, Jacoby and 2 other prospects to get him.  Remember this isn't an aging star, or a guy whose in the middle of his prime.  He's just starting his prime if he's even hit it.  He's only 25 years old.  I'd gladly give up 4 guys for him.  Remember our pitching staff is fairly young at the top with Beckett, Dice-K and Lester.  Beckett and Dice-K are 28 while Lester is only 24.  So giving up young pitchers to get a talent like Ramirez should not be a worry.

[Nerf DPOY]

I'm guessing that talks are dead because FLA demanded Lars Anderson in addition to Buch/Ellsbury. I wouldn't blame the Marlins for doing so, or the Sox for being unwilling to make that trade.

[Tr1boy]

I would like to get h. ramirez but i think there was a reason why the redsox traded him in the first place. There is that 1 percent negativity i'm sure epstein holds of ramirez which is can he be a powerhouse in the AL and under a pressure situations(that playing under a redsox team)

I would seriously give up bucholz, ellsbury and either lowrie or bowden for him but not more after that.

Who else do you guys think we can get for bucholz and ellsbury?

[Nerf DPOY]

I would like to get h. ramirez but i think there was a reason why the redsox traded him in the first place. There is that 1 percent negativity i'm sure epstein holds of ramirez which is can he be a powerhouse in the AL and under a pressure situations(that playing under a redsox team)

I would seriously give up bucholz, ellsbury and either lowrie or bowden for him but not more after that.

Who else do you guys think we can get for bucholz and ellsbury?

The Red Sox traded Hanley because they desperately wanted Beckett. Remember this was pre Dice-k and Lester, and Schilling was in his dotage. Beckett was on the verge of being an Ace( though he did have a crummy '06 ), and wasn't even 26 at the time of the trade.

Elllsbury by himself would be tradeable for a lot of players IMO. The both of them? That list would be quite short.

[Chris]

I would like to get h. ramirez but i think there was a reason why the redsox traded him in the first place. There is that 1 percent negativity i'm sure epstein holds of ramirez which is can he be a powerhouse in the AL and under a pressure situations(that playing under a redsox team)

I would seriously give up bucholz, ellsbury and either lowrie or bowden for him but not more after that.

Who else do you guys think we can get for bucholz and ellsbury?

To be honest, I would rather keep Bucholz and Ellsbury.  I don't think we can get a good enough player without adding significantly more talent to the two of them. 

I don't think there is any available that I would trade both of them for (definitely wouldn't trade them for Peavy). 

And the only offensive guys I would trade them both for would be a top 10 player in the league who plays a position of need, and is still young (or Center Field).  So basically that would be guys like Hanley, Sizemore, Mauer...OK, and I'll throw in Pujols and Howard as well.  But anyone like that would cost probably two more top level prospects in addition to Ellsbury and Bucholtz.

The problem is, both of their value is probably as low as it has been in the last few years...yet they still have the potential to both be superstars.  So its just unlikely to find good value for them.

[footey]

Buckholz is a head case, and Elsbury is over-rated. If we have to give them both up to get Hanley, do it. Throw in the shortstop if necessary.  This is a no-brainer.