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Re: Who is a better athlete at 23? MJ or LJ???
« Reply #15 on: December 21, 2008, 11:25:31 AM »

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Re: Who is a better athlete at 23? MJ or LJ???
« Reply #16 on: December 21, 2008, 11:29:24 AM »

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Re: Who is a better athlete at 23? MJ or LJ???
« Reply #17 on: December 21, 2008, 01:01:31 PM »

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Re: Who is a better athlete at 23? MJ or LJ???
« Reply #18 on: December 21, 2008, 01:21:56 PM »

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I'll take Michael as a better athlete every time against every NBA player ever at any age with the possible exception of Wilt Chamberlain.

LeBron just doesn't measure up.

Re: Who is a better athlete at 23? MJ or LJ???
« Reply #19 on: December 21, 2008, 02:35:17 PM »

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personally, i think the better comparison for Lebron is Oscar Robertson, and not Jordan.  but that's just me...
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Re: Who is a better athlete at 23? MJ or LJ???
« Reply #20 on: December 21, 2008, 05:29:54 PM »

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I think the more relevant question should be who is the better basketball player. At their current age I would go with Lebron. I watched MJ play he is probably the best basketball player who has ever played. But, if Lebron ever learns to close games out the way MJ did then he might actually surpass MJ. Keep in mind his age.

At age 24 -- the same age as Lebron will be in about a week -- MJ was putting up significantly better numbers.

Also, defensively, he led the league in steals, and had 1.6 blocks as a guard.  He's significantly better than Lebron on defense.

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Re: Who is a better athlete at 23? MJ or LJ???
« Reply #21 on: December 21, 2008, 05:46:15 PM »

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I think the more relevant question should be who is the better basketball player. At their current age I would go with Lebron. I watched MJ play he is probably the best basketball player who has ever played. But, if Lebron ever learns to close games out the way MJ did then he might actually surpass MJ. Keep in mind his age.

At age 24 -- the same age as Lebron will be in about a week -- MJ was putting up significantly better numbers.

Also, defensively, he led the league in steals, and had 1.6 blocks as a guard.  He's significantly better than Lebron on defense.

Yeah, but could he run people over?  Touch the top of the backboard, jumping from the foul line?  Run the triangle offense...by himself?

I think not.
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Re: Who is a better athlete at 23? MJ or LJ???
« Reply #22 on: December 21, 2008, 06:32:24 PM »

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Some surprising things here. 1st Roy come on MJ a better passer than Lebron. No way.I know mike Avg 8.0 one year but that was his career high. For their career it.s 6.6 for bron, to 5.3 for MJ. And lebron had it from day one. Where MJ really had to work at passing out of double an triple teams.

Line to Line Lebron would beat MJ in a race at 24. Not by much but would win.

And mike still maybe the better defender, but take into account that Lebron can defend the two three's four's and some five's in The league. Mike had the luxury of Scottie on his team.

Lebron has to be Both MJ and Scottie on defense.

Better player is for sure MJ. But I won't ask that question.

Re: Who is a better athlete at 23? MJ or LJ???
« Reply #23 on: December 21, 2008, 07:56:50 PM »

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Some surprising things here. 1st Roy come on MJ a better passer than Lebron. No way.I know mike Avg 8.0 one year but that was his career high. For their career it.s 6.6 for bron, to 5.3 for MJ. And lebron had it from day one. Where MJ really had to work at passing out of double an triple teams.

Line to Line Lebron would beat MJ in a race at 24. Not by much but would win.

And mike still maybe the better defender, but take into account that Lebron can defend the two three's four's and some five's in The league. Mike had the luxury of Scottie on his team.

Lebron has to be Both MJ and Scottie on defense.

Better player is for sure MJ. But I won't ask that question.
Lebron has the luxury of Z and Varejao on his team and now Ben Wallace. All big men superior to most of the front lines Jordan Played with. Williams is a better PG than B.J. Armstrong or Steve Kerr, so the Pippen comment is irrelevant.

The fact is in a head to head team matchup, the Bulls put Rodman on Lebron, switch to Pippen or Horace Grant a little here and there just to make it interesting. Jordan runs wild and the Bulls win by 20 every time.

Lebron may be a bulldozer, he may be able to jump, and he may be a lot of things. He is not better than Michael Jordan and never will be offensively, defensively or as a team player. Jordan dominated games at will and took them over at a time of his choosing. Lebron just isnt there yet and may never be, he just doesnt have that extra gear that MJ had to call upon.

When has Lebron ever taken the game to another level against the best teams in the league and 'willed' his team to win when it matters in the playoffs? It hasnt happened yet, period. Lebron needs to win a title, he needs to dominate a couple of back to back playoff series and win them in spite of the odds. The old excuse of not a good enough supporting cast doesnt cut it for Lebron. He has and has had a much better team around him than KG, Paul or Ray prior to last year.

He needs to win it all. Then we can have this discussion on more even footing. 8)
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Re: Who is a better athlete at 23? MJ or LJ???
« Reply #24 on: December 21, 2008, 09:45:03 PM »

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Lebron has the luxury of Z and Varejao on his team and now Ben Wallace. All big men superior to most of the front lines Jordan Played with. Williams is a better PG than B.J. Armstrong or Steve Kerr, so the Pippen comment is irrelevant.


Saying that the Cavs right now are better than or close to the Bulls of the 90s is absurd.


Lebron may be a bulldozer, he may be able to jump, and he may be a lot of things. He is not better than Michael Jordan and never will be offensively, defensively or as a team player.

No argument there. He has a long way to go, but the potential is there.


When has Lebron ever taken the game to another level against the best teams in the league and 'willed' his team to win when it matters in the playoffs? It hasnt happened yet, period.

This is exactly what Lebron has done the last two years in the playoffs. How do you think they made the finals, and almost beat us last year?

Lebron and MJ are different animals. Jourdan would still be a  great athlete in today's NBA, but LBJ is a freak of nature. There are simply no athletes in the world like him Usain Bolt, Dwight Howard, etc. The fact that people can even debate between him and MJ (speed, quickness, explosiveness, body control), I think proves LBJ is the better athlete because he's 2in taller and about 40-60lbs heavier. MJ may have been a better athlete relative to the rest of the league when he played, but LBJ is the definition of each generation getting bigger, faster, stronger.

With that said LBJ is nowhere near the competitor prime MJ was, and will probably never get to MJ's level of skill or accomplishment.
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« Reply #25 on: December 21, 2008, 09:47:53 PM »

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Yeah, but could he run people over?  Touch the top of the backboard, jumping from the foul line?  Run the triangle offense...by himself?

I think not.

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Re: Who is a better athlete at 23? MJ or LJ???
« Reply #26 on: December 21, 2008, 10:21:39 PM »

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Lebron has the luxury of Z and Varejao on his team and now Ben Wallace. All big men superior to most of the front lines Jordan Played with. Williams is a better PG than B.J. Armstrong or Steve Kerr, so the Pippen comment is irrelevant.


Saying that the Cavs right now are better than or close to the Bulls of the 90s is absurd.


Lebron may be a bulldozer, he may be able to jump, and he may be a lot of things. He is not better than Michael Jordan and never will be offensively, defensively or as a team player.

No argument there. He has a long way to go, but the potential is there.


When has Lebron ever taken the game to another level against the best teams in the league and 'willed' his team to win when it matters in the playoffs? It hasnt happened yet, period.

This is exactly what Lebron has done the last two years in the playoffs. How do you think they made the finals, and almost beat us last year?

Lebron and MJ are different animals. Jourdan would still be a  great athlete in today's NBA, but LBJ is a freak of nature. There are simply no athletes in the world like him Usain Bolt, Dwight Howard, etc. The fact that people can even debate between him and MJ (speed, quickness, explosiveness, body control), I think proves LBJ is the better athlete because he's 2in taller and about 40-60lbs heavier. MJ may have been a better athlete relative to the rest of the league when he played, but LBJ is the definition of each generation getting bigger, faster, stronger.

With that said LBJ is nowhere near the competitor prime MJ was, and will probably never get to MJ's level of skill or accomplishment.
Never said the Cavs were better as a team, just that Lebron currently has a better supporting cast of PF/C cummatively on his frontline than Jordan ever had. Jordan had Horace Grant, Dennis Rodman (not even both at the same time) and a cast of centers by committee.

The Bulls of that era were a 'big three' of their own with Jordan/Pippen/Rodman. The supporting cast was not that good and pretty much obscure. None were ever all stars to my knowledge. Harper/Kukoc/Perdue/Kerr/Paxson/Wennington/Longley/Armstrong were not any better or as good as Lebrons current supporting cast IMO.

Lebron did take his team to the playoffs with some success, that is true. He still has never won an NBA championship and that is the true measure of greatness in this league. This is not my rule, just the facts that players are historically graded against.

I think Lebron is a very talented player. I also think he is headed down a short road of success if he doesnt curb his weight gain very soon. No matter how much of an athlete he may be, his body will not hold up long under the strain of that weight he carries.

Charles Barkley was a great athlete that happened to be very thick and heavy in his youth. He wisely lost weight, while maintaining his athleticism and it arguably extended his NBA career for several years.

There are numerous other examples who are not as talented as Lebron but the facts are the same. 8)
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Re: Who is a better athlete at 23? MJ or LJ???
« Reply #27 on: December 21, 2008, 11:45:34 PM »

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Lebron has the luxury of Z and Varejao on his team and now Ben Wallace. All big men superior to most of the front lines Jordan Played with. Williams is a better PG than B.J. Armstrong or Steve Kerr, so the Pippen comment is irrelevant.


Saying that the Cavs right now are better than or close to the Bulls of the 90s is absurd.


Lebron may be a bulldozer, he may be able to jump, and he may be a lot of things. He is not better than Michael Jordan and never will be offensively, defensively or as a team player.

No argument there. He has a long way to go, but the potential is there.


When has Lebron ever taken the game to another level against the best teams in the league and 'willed' his team to win when it matters in the playoffs? It hasnt happened yet, period.

This is exactly what Lebron has done the last two years in the playoffs. How do you think they made the finals, and almost beat us last year?

Lebron and MJ are different animals. Jourdan would still be a  great athlete in today's NBA, but LBJ is a freak of nature. There are simply no athletes in the world like him Usain Bolt, Dwight Howard, etc. The fact that people can even debate between him and MJ (speed, quickness, explosiveness, body control), I think proves LBJ is the better athlete because he's 2in taller and about 40-60lbs heavier. MJ may have been a better athlete relative to the rest of the league when he played, but LBJ is the definition of each generation getting bigger, faster, stronger.

With that said LBJ is nowhere near the competitor prime MJ was, and will probably never get to MJ's level of skill or accomplishment.
 

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« Reply #28 on: December 21, 2008, 11:49:24 PM »

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That's what I meant By you have to factor in Size and strength when factoring who the better athlete is.

Lebron may not be able to cover MJ.  But MJ would bounce off of LBJ, just like every other player does in the NBA.

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« Reply #29 on: December 22, 2008, 12:11:29 AM »

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who will be Lebron's Scottie Pippin? i think this is the question that needs to be asked. What SG would be the perfect complement to the king?