For those who may be starting to lose faith in House

[Toine43]

Just wait until next spring. In his current role, Eddie isn't always going to look very impressive. Doc has made a habit of playing a 5-man unit with no starters. House is a player who needs other playmakers on the floor to run the offense, because running an offense is not something he's particularly adept at. Doc's "wing offense" can't be run with Gabe and Tony on the floor, so the offense we're going to see as long as Doc sticks with the 5 bench player unit is discombobulated offense. As a result, people are going to call for a more traditional point guard, but this is not something we're going to actually need come playoff time, or whenever Doc goes back to keeping a big three member on the floor at all times.

Eddie House will give you 3-point shooting, some energy, and some intesity on defense, and we won't need anything more than that from our backup point guard in order to repeat.

[Toine43]

Nothing?

[Redz]

I have faith in Eddie

[TatteredOnMySleeve]

Im not down on eddie at all, he is what he is and I like him, I realize he plays much better with KG or Pierce on the floor..he's being asked to lead a pretty medicore bench at times and this isnt fair, he isnt the leader posey was, and he misses PoZ as much as anybody

[EJPLAYA]

Whose down on House?! The guy is a great energy guy and one of our few dependable scorers off the bench. Streak shooters have streaks! He is going to have some off nights, and nights where he lights it up. He ALWAYS brings the energy and hustle on D. He always gives it everything he has. If someone can't appreciate what he brings us they need to re-evaluate things! If I could have my son play like someone on the C's it would be House. Gets everything out of his talent and then some based on desire and effort. If every one of us played with his energy we'd run the tables.

[guava_wrench]

There are a few guys around who like to blame house for any problems the Celtics have when he is in. Some people always need someone to blame.

[xmuscularghandix]

house isn't a guy that create his own shot, unless you set a double pick or something. I think TA is the guy that can create his own shot. what the second unit is missing is a big man that is REALLY a scoring threat down low. i think right now the best bench lineup as of now without any of the big three would be:

Pruitt (with more experience)
House
TA
Powe
BBD

Mutombo or PJ Brown would replace BBD at center.

[Steve Weinman]

Nothing?

With ya all the way, T43.

-sw

[RockinRyA]

house with the bench is very different from house with pierce

[ManUp]

I don't have any faith in House to lose. I've never liked his style of play, he's nothing more than an spot up shooter. With that said, he knows his role and plays it well. He runs to the open spots, and knocks down the open jumper, and that's pretty much it. It's when Doc tries to expand his role, playing the point for example, things get a bit ugly. As long as House knows his role, and sticks to the script I've got no issues with him.

house with the bench is very different from house with pierce

It's the same House just different style of play and quality of shots.

[hwangjini_1]

this is not to say house is trouble, bad, or anything negative...

i thought the original point of the thread was more a "given the celtic bench, house's abilities are insufficient to lead that unit. he is better of with pierce, et al on the floor to maximize his abilities."

i agree with those points. house is a great as the 6th -7th man who play WITH 2-3 starters on the floor. who wouldnt?

i think the larger issue is that doc's 5 man second unit (house, allen, powe, davis, scal) does NOT have a clear leader who steps up each night. i see each of them as lacking the consistency i would like to see.

some nights they click and are excellent. other nights they are like they were with chicago in the 2nd period. my worry is come playoff time the celtics may not have a bench rotation that can be counted upon to consistently carry the team.

i think ainge sees this and will try to acquire one veteran player in the next few months to add stability and consistency to the bench.

either that or doc has to stop the massive 5 man substitution routine and always have at least 1-2 starters on the floor..... at least until the blowout begins.

[BudweiserCeltic]

I think you guys are overrating the lack of leader in the second unit thing. Our bench struggled last year too, in these types of units, and we had our mighty bench leader in Posey.

It's not that we lack a leader, we simply lack a go to guy that can create for himself, and have a decent jumpshot. Tony is the closest we have in that department... he's not there yet. Going small with Pruitt, or simply have Rondo with TA and House in there should make the bench unit more consistent. The way our bench is setup, it's not at its best in a halfcourt setup... we need people that can push the ball.

The other thing is that our bigs need to be more aware of their situation. Often they catch the ball in the low post and try to force the issue. This was great early in the year with Powe because he was being constanly bailed out by fouls... but he's not getting fouled as often now. He needs to be more aware of the situation, and if anything make moves to try to score instead of looking for fouls he might not get. Though I think Powe is also doing better in this.

Same goes to Tony when he penetrates, he needs to stop looking for the foul call (which he hasn't been getting even when hammered), and simply look to score or make the pass. He has been playing better with his head up, and he has done a fairly good job setting up people who are not converting... other than that, he needs to be more accurate with his passing. He often reads the play correctly, but fails to execute it.

Baby, well he's practicing his midrange jumper which isn't falling. And I think he's the person that gets the most BS foul calls in the league.

[ManUp]

I think the problem with the bench is that House is the only shooter. His man can just stay with him while the other guys just pack it in making it hard for Powe and Tony. House with out breathing room can't do anything for you. Powe and Tony don't have the space to operate and aren't creating good looks for House.

[housecall]

until they find a consistent leader off the bench Pierce or Ray should stay in with the four role players.Tony Allen or Eddie House run bettter with the starters in some games.

[TrueGreen]

I think House is doing a great job. Last year we were concerned with his bringing the ball up against pressure. Doesn't seem to be a problem. Last year defense was a concern. He's playing very good defense, sometimes even better than Rondo against the same man. His distance shooting is as good as ever. He's not really a playmaker, but this could be a unit problem (though I don't think so). Occasionally he'll make a nice pass into Powe. He can create his own shot, but only if someone picks for him. I really would like to see Pruitt as 2nd unit point with House at 2 and TA at 3. It's small, but for short spurts it could work.