Rumor: Cleveland Trade / Shawn Marion

[Tr1boy]

Cleveland will most likely do this trade because marion would increase his production two folds having a good passer like james around. Why he has pretty much been so so in miami is that dwade is a go to guy but not a good passer and marion can't really create his own shot

Miami would like this trade also because marian is a FA plus varajeo would quench their need for a guy over 6'9 who competes

Personally this wouldnt really affect the celtics advantage over the cavs unless marion plays like his old self in phoenix. Perk plays big z tough and kg has too much lentgh over marion. The one guy that really bugs me from the cavs is danil gibson(not sure if we won game 7 if he played)

[cordobes]

Why are people assuming that Marion will play mostly at the 4? I bet that if this trade goes through, he'll spend most of the time pairing with LeBron at the wings. (even though Marion is a pretty effective player at the 4).

I think they will play him at the 4 down the stretch of games, because (much like the Celtics last year with Posey), they Cavs don't have many guys up front who are two-way players, and in crunchtime, that is crucial.

Probably in close games, because of Ben Wallace.

[Schupac]

Marion complained his way out of Phoenix because he wasn't their "main guy" and he felt a little disrespected.  Does anyone really believe he would be happy playing in the shadow of the most hyped player in sports today?

[greg683x]

Here's an update I found. Take it with a grain of salt.

http://www.cleveland.com/cavs/index.ssf/2008/12/windhorst_beat_blog_marion_tra.html

[cordobes]

Marion complained his way out of Phoenix because he wasn't their "main guy" and he felt a little disrespected.  Does anyone really believe he would be happy playing in the shadow of the most hyped player in sports today?

Marion asked for a trade because his name was always involved in trade negotiations and rumours. He's in a contract year, I bet he'll play just as told.

[Birdbrain]

Yeah he's about a 14 and 9 player for 40 min.  Bad move if they are thinking of beating the C's this season.  They lose a quality big who rebounds and scores much better around the hoop (against a defense). But Marion will get a lot dunks and the fans will be happy because it's Shawn Marion who played with Steve Nash. Also wasn't he the guy the media stated could guard 5 positions..

I'll be hoping this trade goes through.  And yeah he was a dumb cancer out in Phoenix but, I doubt he would do that since he'll only be in Cleveland for 1/2 a year.

[greg683x]

Marion complained his way out of Phoenix because he wasn't their "main guy" and he felt a little disrespected.  Does anyone really believe he would be happy playing in the shadow of the most hyped player in sports today?

The only time I can remember hearing Marion complain in Phoenix was when he kept saying that he was sick and tired of hearing his name in trade discussions, and thats why he felt disrespected.  The guy was the franchise player there before Nash and Amare even showed up and he felt unappreciated since the team was so willing to listen to offers for him every offseason.  Thats a little different than complaining about being "the man" IMO.

I think the Cap situation is worth noting in regards to this trade.  If the Cavs give up Wallys expiring deal and Varejeo for Marion and they dont win a title this year, whos to say that Marion would actually resign with Cleveland after this year?  Or if they could even afford him?  So theyd lose Marion, Varejeo, and their expiring contracts, what would that leave for the 2009 season?  Unless they could make some HUGE slam dunk deal in the 2009 offseason to fix the loss, they could actually have regressed as a team going into Lebrons free agency.  Which would probably all but sign his ticket out of Cleveland.

Like it was said in that article I posted above.  What to do with Wallys contract is probably going to be the biggest decision in Cavs history.  To trade it away so early, when the teams playing so well, and hasnt faltered against better competition yet, is by far the definition of BALLSY.

[Roy Hobbs]

Marion complained his way out of Phoenix because he wasn't their "main guy" and he felt a little disrespected.  Does anyone really believe he would be happy playing in the shadow of the most hyped player in sports today?

The only time I can remember hearing Marion complain in Phoenix was when he kept saying that he was sick and tired of hearing his name in trade discussions, and thats why he felt disrespected.  The guy was the franchise player there before Nash and Amare even showed up and he felt unappreciated since the team was so willing to listen to offers for him every offseason.  Thats a little different than complaining about being "the man" IMO.

I think the Cap situation is worth noting in regards to this trade.  If the Cavs give up Wallys expiring deal and Varejeo for Marion and they dont win a title this year, whos to say that Marion would actually resign with Cleveland after this year?  Or if they could even afford him?  So theyd lose Marion, Varejeo, and their expiring contracts, what would that leave for the 2009 season?  Unless they could make some HUGE slam dunk deal in the 2009 offseason to fix the loss, they could actually have regressed as a team going into Lebrons free agency.  Which would probably all but sign his ticket out of Cleveland.

Like it was said in that article I posted above.  What to do with Wallys contract is probably going to be the biggest decision in Cavs history.  To trade it away so early, when the teams playing so well, and hasnt faltered against better competition yet, is by far the definition of BALLSY.

I remember it as Schupac does.  Here are some quotes:

The Suns don’t want to trade Marion. They know their best chance to win a championship this season is to keep the Marion-Steve Nash-Amaré Stoudemire triumvirate together.

But Marion’s constant whining about being third in the pecking order is wearing on the Suns. They’re tired of hearing how he’s not respected when he’ll make the most money on the team this season ($16.4 million), he led Phoenix in minutes played last year and took 100 more shots than Nash and 16 more than Stoudemire.

Not to mention the three straight All-Star appearances, the invitation to play for the Olympic team, the Nike Air Force 25 commercial in which he gets equal billing with Kobe Bryant and LeBron James, and the cover of ESPN The Magazine.

We should all be so disrespected.

Link.

So what about it, Shawn? Would you rather be a 30-point scorer and an MVP candidate on a lesser team, say, one only flirting with the postseason, than the sidekick to the sidekick in Phoenix? "Wow, that's interesting," he says thoughtfully, as if he's never entertained the prospect before.

Marion pauses nearly 10 seconds to concentrate on the question. Only the muted sound of late-afternoon traffic outside the two-story living room breaks the silence. He fiddles with the remote as if it holds the answer. "I've never been asked that," he continues. "That would be an interesting situation to be in, to really show people what I can do.

Link.

[greg683x]

Marion complained his way out of Phoenix because he wasn't their "main guy" and he felt a little disrespected.  Does anyone really believe he would be happy playing in the shadow of the most hyped player in sports today?

The only time I can remember hearing Marion complain in Phoenix was when he kept saying that he was sick and tired of hearing his name in trade discussions, and thats why he felt disrespected.  The guy was the franchise player there before Nash and Amare even showed up and he felt unappreciated since the team was so willing to listen to offers for him every offseason.  Thats a little different than complaining about being "the man" IMO.

I think the Cap situation is worth noting in regards to this trade.  If the Cavs give up Wallys expiring deal and Varejeo for Marion and they dont win a title this year, whos to say that Marion would actually resign with Cleveland after this year?  Or if they could even afford him?  So theyd lose Marion, Varejeo, and their expiring contracts, what would that leave for the 2009 season?  Unless they could make some HUGE slam dunk deal in the 2009 offseason to fix the loss, they could actually have regressed as a team going into Lebrons free agency.  Which would probably all but sign his ticket out of Cleveland.

Like it was said in that article I posted above.  What to do with Wallys contract is probably going to be the biggest decision in Cavs history.  To trade it away so early, when the teams playing so well, and hasnt faltered against better competition yet, is by far the definition of BALLSY.

I remember it as Schupac does.  Here are some quotes:

The Suns don’t want to trade Marion. They know their best chance to win a championship this season is to keep the Marion-Steve Nash-Amaré Stoudemire triumvirate together.

But Marion’s constant whining about being third in the pecking order is wearing on the Suns. They’re tired of hearing how he’s not respected when he’ll make the most money on the team this season ($16.4 million), he led Phoenix in minutes played last year and took 100 more shots than Nash and 16 more than Stoudemire.

Not to mention the three straight All-Star appearances, the invitation to play for the Olympic team, the Nike Air Force 25 commercial in which he gets equal billing with Kobe Bryant and LeBron James, and the cover of ESPN The Magazine.

We should all be so disrespected.

Link.

So what about it, Shawn? Would you rather be a 30-point scorer and an MVP candidate on a lesser team, say, one only flirting with the postseason, than the sidekick to the sidekick in Phoenix? "Wow, that's interesting," he says thoughtfully, as if he's never entertained the prospect before.

Marion pauses nearly 10 seconds to concentrate on the question. Only the muted sound of late-afternoon traffic outside the two-story living room breaks the silence. He fiddles with the remote as if it holds the answer. "I've never been asked that," he continues. "That would be an interesting situation to be in, to really show people what I can do.

Link.

Kudos Roy, and TP.  I never remember reading any of that stuff, certainly changes my viewpoint of Marion now.

Anyways, that compounded with the risky cap/FA situation I mentioned above I really dont see Cleveland trying to pull the trigger on a deal like this....at least not right now.

[BigAlTheFuture]

If they get Marion, they'll be real scary.

[cornbreadsmart]

i cefinitely think it's a big upgrade for the cavs. i just don't get thinking otherwise. i cant figure it out. i've definitely been wrong before. i really dislike marion but i just don't think he'd pull any crap in cleveland. huge talent upgrade. great defender. i hear the same stuff with vince carter. he's another guy that's been a real jerk but i think people are completely off their rocker when they say they woul'dnt trade lamar odom for him.

[cordobes]

I think the Cap situation is worth noting in regards to this trade.  If the Cavs give up Wallys expiring deal and Varejeo for Marion and they dont win a title this year, whos to say that Marion would actually resign with Cleveland after this year?  Or if they could even afford him?  So theyd lose Marion, Varejeo, and their expiring contracts, what would that leave for the 2009 season?  Unless they could make some HUGE slam dunk deal in the 2009 offseason to fix the loss, they could actually have regressed as a team going into Lebrons free agency.  Which would probably all but sign his ticket out of Cleveland.
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But the same can be asked about Varejão. If he keeps playing like this, he'll probably opt out.

[cornbreadsmart]

i can't believe anyone thinks cleveland would stand pat and NOT trade wally.lol

[greg683x]

I never said they shouldnt trade Wally.

I said its probably not a good idea to do it right now.  Most expiring contract trades are made near the deadline, why push all your chips in the middle of the table right now when the teams playing so well and no other options have really had a chance to pop up yet.

[greg683x]

I think the Cap situation is worth noting in regards to this trade.  If the Cavs give up Wallys expiring deal and Varejeo for Marion and they dont win a title this year, whos to say that Marion would actually resign with Cleveland after this year?  Or if they could even afford him?  So theyd lose Marion, Varejeo, and their expiring contracts, what would that leave for the 2009 season?  Unless they could make some HUGE slam dunk deal in the 2009 offseason to fix the loss, they could actually have regressed as a team going into Lebrons free agency.  Which would probably all but sign his ticket out of Cleveland.
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But the same can be asked about Varejão. If he keeps playing like this, he'll probably opt out.

Very true, so if youre going to make a trade, wouldnt you want to make one thats not going to put you back in the same position?  Cleveland could possibly get a player thats as good as Marion, and STILL be able to keep Varejao for the remainder of the season at the very least.

In the current deal, they could have lost all three players by the time next year rolls around.  If they get a player who is at least under contract until 2010, even if they couldnt resign Varejao this offseason, they still got something to show for Wally expiring deal.