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Re: Patrick O'bryant
« Reply #90 on: December 04, 2008, 02:37:01 AM »

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too bad we can't send him down so he can for the utah flash's BIG THREE!

Nice idea.  Would they have a different name, like "Little Three"?
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Re: Patrick O'bryant
« Reply #91 on: December 04, 2008, 05:39:18 PM »

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Re: Patrick O'bryant
« Reply #92 on: December 04, 2008, 06:00:02 PM »

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maybe pruitt, giddens, and walker would be the big three.

Re: Patrick O'bryant
« Reply #93 on: December 04, 2008, 06:03:38 PM »

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So applying this rubric to Pat would mean that again, it's part of the coaching staff's fault. As I said before, he's fast enough when he gets going. The reason why he isn't getting time IMO is not because he's not trying hard enough but because the staff might have evaluated him somewhat incorrectly. Example #1: raw speed. He's faster and more athletic than Perk, but needs to work on his first step. Therefore, he needs to work on his explosiveness... are they saying this to him? Maybe not. Example #2: Defensive awareness. We already know he can block shots, but the problems I saw in the preseason games was that he didn't know where to go on either offense or defense.. the run-and-gun mentality basically carried over. Is this a problem because he doesn't know the sets well enough or because he doesn't want to listen? I'd like to think the former. So let him work on the sets in practice, do everything you can to familiarize him with them. Is the staff doing this? Maybe, maybe not. I'm inclined to think they're not.

So, in summary, it's not "yes or no" but "case-by-case."

That's an extraordinary claim that would require extraordinary proof. Can we attribute the lack of success for any player who didn't succeed in the NBA to the lack of good coaching? The idea that the coaching staff is not teaching him the sets well enough is bizarre. What I saw was a guy who has a very common problem: he can't simultaneously keep the awareness of his man and of the ball. That has nothing to do with the sets, he'd have the same problem in every scheme.

During the Summer it was said over and over that he busted in the Warriors because of Don Nelson. If the same happens here is because of Doc? What if he goes to Europe and doesn't do very well either?
Sorry cordorobes I thought this thread was done but alas it is yet resurrected. I don't think it's too bizarre that the staff might not have taught him the sets well enough. The problem has cropped up with Pruitt too, and clearly you saw that it took time for the team to adapt last year even when they went to Europe to do it. I don't remember how far into the season it was, but KG was saying something about doing the D-sets "on his woman" which even after 12 years in the league at that point overwhelmingly suggests that the D and maybe even O schemes are fundamentally different than what he's been used to over his career.

So that point in mind it would be hard for pretty much anyone to get used to the sets, nevermind the rookies. Which is why I say that Baby and Powe lucked out last year because there were effectively only 12 guys on the roster, 1 of whom (Pollard) wasn't even able to play with the team for near 80% of the season. Well how do you think that would impact someone's playing time with the 1st or 2nd team?

So the whole problem like I was saying isn't this-or-that but a little bit of everything. He might not have the BBIQ to pick it up, but then again that's a pretty tall order for someone to just pick it up like that after being effectively shut out in his last team. Second thing, as far as his ability to be aware of his man goes, you might be right, but it might be the case that that could be remedied with a change in his defensive philosophy (i.e. integrate him more into the sets). I'd also lean towards him having a high BBIQ just for the fact that he's shown flashes of being a good outlet passer.

Well, some guys are quicker learners than others, but I won't place the blame on the coaching staff. But I don't believe for a second that his major problem is not knowing the sets.

POB doesn't set solid picks, doesn't get low and large, doesn't position on the proper angle, be it on backscreens, downscreens or cross screens. He doesn't know how to establish position on the low post, even the basics of sticking his foot between the defender legs. He just runs around agitating his raised arms like he's some modern dance performer. He doesn't know how to roll of screens, he doesn't execute the reverse the pivot movement, he turns his head to the ball too early. He doesn't box out, he can't execute the "find, pivot, block" routine. These have nothing to do with sets; rather are basic basketball fundamentals that, from my point of view, a 7ft with 2 years of college experience and 2 years of NBA experience is expected to master. At least some of them. Will he get it? I don't know. But, right now, he's not a solid basketball player whose problem is missing some rotations.

Re: Patrick O'bryant
« Reply #94 on: December 04, 2008, 07:25:26 PM »

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I just don't think that Patrick has the fire in the belly. He's probably a better pure player that Powe or Baby, but the latter two have that fire. Even Ray Allen with his quiet demeanor has that burning and competitiveness that is needed to succeed in the NBA. It doesn't show like it does with some players, but it is definitely there. Unfortunate for Patrick, but this can't be taught. He's only here because he's inexpensive and no risk. If a spot is needed on the roster for a PJ Brown type, Patrick is gone.

Re: Patrick O'bryant
« Reply #95 on: December 04, 2008, 09:52:23 PM »

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I just don't think that Patrick has the fire in the belly. He's probably a better pure player that Powe or Baby, but the latter two have that fire. Even Ray Allen with his quiet demeanor has that burning and competitiveness that is needed to succeed in the NBA. It doesn't show like it does with some players, but it is definitely there. Unfortunate for Patrick, but this can't be taught. He's only here because he's inexpensive and no risk. If a spot is needed on the roster for a PJ Brown type, Patrick is gone.
I agree with you here,and that leads me to another player in the NBA who many think is the next Shaq,thats D.Howard.Im not trying to hijack the thread,but i never saw that fire or competitiveness to the point of winning with all cost in him.He is a very good C for the Magic,but from day one i just never saw the passion in him it takes to win it all.Maybe im wrong because i do not see that team a lot,but the times i have seen him play,not once i left feeling he put it all on the table to win.As you stated about what it takes and what players have in them from the jump.He just never gave me that feeling of being a passionate player.tp for your comments

Re: Patrick O'bryant
« Reply #96 on: December 05, 2008, 10:21:16 PM »

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for all you guys pining for o'bryant to play more, tonight against portland you saw a prime example of why he sits.

when perk was guarding oden he was unable to back perk down...perk's lower body strength and proper use of his forearm stopped oden from overpowering him.

when o'bryant came in, oden simple pounded the ball and within two dribbles had moved o'bryant a good 6 feet. 

o'bryant might as well be a shooting guard because he's too soft...i hope danny finds a guy with length and cuts o'bryant loose.  he's a waste of a roster space.
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Re: Patrick O'bryant
« Reply #97 on: December 05, 2008, 10:54:04 PM »

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for all you guys pining for o'bryant to play more, tonight against portland you saw a prime example of why he sits.

when perk was guarding oden he was unable to back perk down...perk's lower body strength and proper use of his forearm stopped oden from overpowering him.

when o'bryant came in, oden simple pounded the ball and within two dribbles had moved o'bryant a good 6 feet. 

o'bryant might as well be a shooting guard because he's too soft...i hope danny finds a guy with length and cuts o'bryant loose.  he's a waste of a roster space.
That sequence against Oden was embarrasing. As that was happening I was thinking the same thing you were - he doesn't belong on the floor.

And I would like to congratulate O'Bryant for being the first player I've ever seen to whiff a dunk. For all intents and purposes, he received the pass, rose for the jam, and ended up slamming the ball into the ground instead.   


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Re: Patrick O'bryant
« Reply #98 on: December 05, 2008, 11:32:45 PM »

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If the intent of Patrick was to be a contributor this year then i agree with your statements that he' should be benched and not see any playing time but if he indeed is a project then id like to see what he does this offseason in terms of bulking up as i think even he can see there's a problem with only one solution at hand, hard work off the court.
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« Reply #99 on: December 05, 2008, 11:34:24 PM »

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POB looked like a kid playing his dad when he was matched up with Oden.

Re: Patrick O'bryant
« Reply #100 on: December 05, 2008, 11:38:18 PM »

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We can officially begin searching for a backup 5. As I've been saying since summer, this guy simply isn't a player.

Soft, soft, soft, lazy and an unintelligent basketball player.

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Re: Patrick O'bryant
« Reply #101 on: December 06, 2008, 04:06:59 AM »

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Re: Patrick O'bryant
« Reply #102 on: December 06, 2008, 05:08:53 AM »

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tonight is the first time i ever witness a NBA player fall short of the rim with a dunk by 2ft.away...way to go Danny,nice find.   

Re: Patrick O'bryant
« Reply #103 on: December 06, 2008, 08:08:39 AM »

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tonight is the first time i ever witness a NBA player fall short of the rim with a dunk by 2ft.away...way to go Danny,nice find.   

That was clearly a pass lol.

Re: Patrick O'bryant
« Reply #104 on: December 06, 2008, 09:43:55 AM »

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for all you guys pining for o'bryant to play more, tonight against portland you saw a prime example of why he sits.

when perk was guarding oden he was unable to back perk down...perk's lower body strength and proper use of his forearm stopped oden from overpowering him.

when o'bryant came in, oden simple pounded the ball and within two dribbles had moved o'bryant a good 6 feet. 

o'bryant might as well be a shooting guard because he's too soft...i hope danny finds a guy with length and cuts o'bryant loose.  he's a waste of a roster space.
That sequence against Oden was embarrasing. As that was happening I was thinking the same thing you were - he doesn't belong on the floor.

And I would like to congratulate O'Bryant for being the first player I've ever seen to whiff a dunk. For all intents and purposes, he received the pass, rose for the jam, and ended up slamming the ball into the ground instead.   

That play was unbelievable to watch. I watched Oden post up Patrick O'Bryant tonight. Oden dribbled, then backed in to POB once, dribbled, then backed into him again and then O'Bryant simply bear hugged Oden for a foul. I've never seen anyone give up on defense like that before ever. I mean seriously. Oden wasn't going into his move, Oden hadn't beaten him on post position. O'Bryant simply didn't feel like playing defense on Oden so he hugged him to get the ball out of his hands. Not that I had any super high hopes for Patrick becoming a major player but i thought it was too early to write the book on Patrick yet. But that was a disgrace. Anybody who quits on defense that easy definitely doesn't belong on this basketball team period, end of story. That was the most pathetic thing I've ever seen.
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