Which Celtics players are you biased against? Who can do no wrong?

[Birdbrain]

Biased against :

Williams when he plays with no hands or
Sheed when he takes too many 3's.
Scals when he passes up shots.
Tony when he does too much.

Can do no wrong:

Starting 5 although Perkins can have a brain lock from time to time but, I love the big guy.

[EJPLAYA]

KG, Ray, and Scal are the only ones I feel can do no wrong, because I think everything they do on the floor is aimed at making the team better. Nothing selfish in their game at all. It doesn't mean Scal is the most talented guy out there but he has no personal agenda. Close in that column are PP, Eddie, Perk (now), Daniels, and Sheed.  Sometimes they make decisions that are about them vs the team. Not often though. Unfortunately Rondo has many games where it is about him. Hopefully those will get fewer and farther between.

I think JR is trying to prove that he belongs so often is making decisions to show that vs. play within the flow. Sadly he doesn't belong. Not sure about Walker as he really hasn't played much.

TA is the only one that I am completely biased against and that is because he's an idiot and isn't smart enough to correct his mistakes. Every time he makes the same mistake the look on his face tells you he is completely baffled by it. Kind of funny actually.

[shookones99]

KG, Ray, and Scal are the only ones I feel can do no wrong, because I think everything they do on the floor is aimed at making the team better. Nothing selfish in their game at all. It doesn't mean Scal is the most talented guy out there but he has no personal agenda. Close in that column are PP, Eddie, Perk (now), Daniels, and Sheed.  Sometimes they make decisions that are about them vs the team. Not often though. Unfortunately Rondo has many games where it is about him. Hopefully those will get fewer and farther between.

TP  I agree with everything said here.


What about Doc though?  I think it's safe to say that everything he does is aimed at making the team better.  But he certainly isn't in the "can do no wrong" category.

[nickagneta]

I never replied in the first place but guess I will now.

Players and others I love and defend to the end:

Doc - basically I have always respected him as a good coach that had to coach really bad players. When I first joined CB it was like a right of passage that if you participated at Celticsblog you had to take swipes at Doc. I always thought that unfair as the greater majority of the membership were enthralled with the young talent and only figured they needed a better coach to succeed. I felt otherwise. For those that weren't around back then, just to educate you, in July 2007 more people at Celticsblog were in favor of firing Doc and keeping Al Jefferson, Ryan Gomes, Delonte West and the #1 pick than they were in keeping Doc and trading for Ray and KG. I think one poll done here before the KG trade was overwhelmingly in favor of keeping Big Al, like 70-30.  

Rondo - I've always thought that Rondo had star written all over him. I loved his passing skills, his attitude, his athleticism, his speed, his freakishly large hands that make him such an outstanding ballhandler, and hsi confidence. If anything, over the years, I've grown to love him more. I wish my com-padre in Rondo love, MikeDfromNP was still around here to gloat with me as we seemed to be tiny islands in an ocean defending Rondo and pronouncing our thoughts that he would be good enough to start and be good enough for this team to win a title with and would go on to be a star.


Ahhhhhhhhhh. The good ole days.


Players I despise and will always argue against:

Tony Allen - do I need to go on about this

Gerald Green - or this!

Antoine Walker - or this!!

Patrick O'Bryant - or this !!!!!

Most everyone else I try to be pretty objective about and will point out the good and the bad about them pretty consistently. I will criticize Rondo and Doc when it is just and deserved and have on many occasions. Don't ever expect me to cut slack for the guys I'm on the outs with. I might surprise you but don't expect objectivity from me regarding them.

[Edgar]

I never replied in the first place but guess I will now.

Players and others I love and defend to the end:

Doc -  in July 2007 more people at Celticsblog were in favor of firing Doc

Ahhhhhhhhhh. The good ole days.


Players I despise and will always argue against:


Antoine Walker - or this!!

























well i still feel myself capable of doing ( in spanish of course ) a case against Doc.

And hey I have to say Antoine is probably as underrated as you think Doc is or was, he was the only pseudo good player in a desastrous couple of teams, and paired with a young unexperienced egocentric (yes i said that) pierce that after leaving celtics became world champion playing an important role with the heat.

[moiso]

Well I'm with Nick on Antoine.  When your worst shooter takes the most shots, you have a big problem.

[Casperian]

I never replied in the first place but guess I will now.

Glen Davis - if there was ever a player that I could say was just a larger version of me, it's BBD. I have a little weight on me. I don't do a heck of a lot on the floor great. At times I look like the prototypical football player trying to play basketball. But I'll rough you up. You will know I played defense against you. And I will be all over the place and do the stuff some other true basketball players won't do in a game of pickup basketball. But I also see a bunch of potential in this kid. His shot is better than his success rate thus far this year. His defense is very good considering most nights he's giving up anywhere between 3-8 inches in height. And he does a good job boxing out(a lost skill nowadays) and getting up and down the court.

 

[nickagneta]

I never replied in the first place but guess I will now.

Glen Davis - if there was ever a player that I could say was just a larger version of me, it's BBD. I have a little weight on me. I don't do a heck of a lot on the floor great. At times I look like the prototypical football player trying to play basketball. But I'll rough you up. You will know I played defense against you. And I will be all over the place and do the stuff some other true basketball players won't do in a game of pickup basketball. But I also see a bunch of potential in this kid. His shot is better than his success rate thus far this year. His defense is very good considering most nights he's giving up anywhere between 3-8 inches in height. And he does a good job boxing out(a lost skill nowadays) and getting up and down the court.

 

I stand corrected, I guess I did reply. That's funny, this never showed up on my Updated Topics list so I figured I never replied. Boy am I glad I'm consistent. Well, with the exception of Davis, though the more I think about it, the more I probably do have to include him in that first list again.

TP Casperian. Didn't know I did that. Good pick up.

[Casperian]

Thumbs up:

Ray and BBD

Thumbs down:

Tony and Scal

One up, one down:

Rasheed - I applaud the man for a lot of things, I can absolutely understand why all his teammates like him. However, I think he`s done, I absolutely hate what he does offensively, and I´m not impressed with his defense, either. Couple that with all the irrational hype around him, and there`s your reason why I dislike him on my favorite team.

[nickagneta]

I never replied in the first place but guess I will now.

Glen Davis - if there was ever a player that I could say was just a larger version of me, it's BBD. I have a little weight on me. I don't do a heck of a lot on the floor great. At times I look like the prototypical football player trying to play basketball. But I'll rough you up. You will know I played defense against you. And I will be all over the place and do the stuff some other true basketball players won't do in a game of pickup basketball. But I also see a bunch of potential in this kid. His shot is better than his success rate thus far this year. His defense is very good considering most nights he's giving up anywhere between 3-8 inches in height. And he does a good job boxing out(a lost skill nowadays) and getting up and down the court.

 

As an aside...maybe I have a future as a scout. Pretty prophetic evaluation of Baby before he had a bust out second half of the year that showed he really did have the outside shot he claimed.

[Chris]

I like to think I am not biased about anyone (OK, maybe Tony Allen...but he has earned it).  Ultimately, I think I am just pretty even on all the players, and I tend to argue whenever anyone goes to an extreme.  I tend to think that Scal is not as bad as many people say, and Rondo is not as good as many people say. 

Actually, even with Tony Allen, I don't think I am that biased.  I just feel like I have seen enough of him to get an accurate read on what he is as a player...and I think that his skill-set is not suited to this team. 

I am sure others will disagree with me, and feel that I have strong biases about certain players.  However, I think if you look closely at my posts over the years, you will see that I sit firmly on the fence on everything.  I would make the Big O proud.

[PierceMVP08]

As you can tell from my name, Pierce can do no wrong for me.  He's been the lone constant in my time as a fan and I loathe thinking that his retirement is not too far away (relatively speaking).  He is vastly underrated on the national stage and has deferred the attention to Garnett... Which get me to the player I am biased about.

KG really rubs me the wrong way.  Not because he is a bad player, but because his reputation is way out of wack with the reality.  When I think down the line, I will not be telling my kids, "man you should have seen that Garnett."  What would i tell them?  How he hit 18 jumpers all day long?  Has a great mid range shot, but offensively, he isn't all that special.  It frustrates the hell out of me that he doesn't take it to the post.  For an all time player, he has very few moments that we will remember 20 years from now.  I hate all the cussing and yelling when things are going great but no talking when things are going poorly.  I want to see him get in Tim Duncan's grill, not zaza pachulia or jose calderon.

Furthermore, it bothers me how much credit he gets for the team's success and how little Paul gets.  People say he brought a winning culture to the Celtics?  How?  The man never won a thing in his life, and before the trade he was just as successful as Paul Pierce.  People like to say that he has made Paul Pierce a better player and a better defender, yet they stop short of giving pierce credit.  Granted, maybe KG has motivated the guys on the defensive end, but pierce is still doing work.  I don't see KG moving Pierce's body.

The quote that sticks with me is Bob Ryan in 2008 saying about KG, "we knew he was a great player, we knew he was an all time player, but we didn't know he was this good." (or something to that nature.)  Really?  What has KG done here that he didn't do as well in Minnesota?  If anything  KG's best years were already behind him when he came to Boston.

There are countless other examples that I could go on all day about, but this is good for now.  But for all these reasons, I am extra hard on KG and keep wanting his reality to come into agreement with reputation.  I guess the reasons I'm hard on him have more to do with other's perception of his game than anything he does himself (except for the talking and lack of inside play).  So I do appreciate what he does.

Oh, and Rasheed wallace rubs me the wrong way when putting up all those threes 

[celticsclay]

Antoine Walker. First and foremost, I was a teenager, I love him being one of the few things worth watching. (Believe me I know there are of things you can legitmately point out wrong against the guy)

I also root with rose colored glasses for any nba player over 35.

[EJPLAYA]

As you can tell from my name, Pierce can do no wrong for me.  He's been the lone constant in my time as a fan and I loathe thinking that his retirement is not too far away (relatively speaking).  He is vastly underrated on the national stage and has deferred the attention to Garnett... Which get me to the player I am biased about.

KG really rubs me the wrong way.  Not because he is a bad player, but because his reputation is way out of wack with the reality.  When I think down the line, I will not be telling my kids, "man you should have seen that Garnett."  What would i tell them?  How he hit 18 jumpers all day long?  Has a great mid range shot, but offensively, he isn't all that special.  It frustrates the hell out of me that he doesn't take it to the post.  For an all time player, he has very few moments that we will remember 20 years from now.  I hate all the cussing and yelling when things are going great but no talking when things are going poorly.  I want to see him get in Tim Duncan's grill, not zaza pachulia or jose calderon.

Furthermore, it bothers me how much credit he gets for the team's success and how little Paul gets.  People say he brought a winning culture to the Celtics?  How?  The man never won a thing in his life, and before the trade he was just as successful as Paul Pierce.  People like to say that he has made Paul Pierce a better player and a better defender, yet they stop short of giving pierce credit.  Granted, maybe KG has motivated the guys on the defensive end, but pierce is still doing work.  I don't see KG moving Pierce's body.

The quote that sticks with me is Bob Ryan in 2008 saying about KG, "we knew he was a great player, we knew he was an all time player, but we didn't know he was this good." (or something to that nature.)  Really?  What has KG done here that he didn't do as well in Minnesota?  If anything  KG's best years were already behind him when he came to Boston.

There are countless other examples that I could go on all day about, but this is good for now.  But for all these reasons, I am extra hard on KG and keep wanting his reality to come into agreement with reputation.  I guess the reasons I'm hard on him have more to do with other's perception of his game than anything he does himself (except for the talking and lack of inside play).  So I do appreciate what he does.

Oh, and Rasheed wallace rubs me the wrong way when putting up all those threes 

If you are trying to explain how great KG is to someone and the first thing that pops into your mind are his 18 footers then you really don't understand KG at all...

As far as talking when things are going well and not when they aren't, what do you want?! Isn't the worst thing in sports a trash talker when they are getting whomped?! Think of the guy who dunks on someone and goes crazy when their team is getting blown out. Kind of stupid, isn't it?!

[fairweatherfan]

I don't think I'm biased against anybody - with someone like TA I certainly don't expect good things when he comes in, but I'm always hoping he can play well.  If you're in green and you're not actively damaging the team beyond your on-court play, I'll support ya. 

My favorites on the team are:

- KG for his intensity, exceptional team play, and all-around badassery.

- Pierce for his great overall game and clutch performance.

- Ray for his total precision in all aspects of the game.  I don't enjoy his occasional cold spells but no one delivers a dagger like Ray Allen.

- Since the 2nd half of last year, Perk for his solid, aggressive play.  He's the ultimate lunchpail guy on this team, rarely complains (to teammates), doesn't seek attention, just steps up and gets it done.  In 07-08 he was still pretty raw with some bad habits, but he's continually bettered himself and is now one of the top centers in the game.

And despite that, the player I probably enjoy watching the most when he's on is Rondo.  I just love the squad overall.