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Re: Scalabrine
« Reply #15 on: October 09, 2008, 11:24:36 AM »

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Has Miles really locked up a spot?  Did he play that much better then the rookie?   



If they are close, Miles is gone as they will allow the rookie to develop. 

but miles and scal are the same posistion. I'd rather have miles as the 15th man.

in reality, this is mute, since scal's horrid contract will keep him around, but lets not call a turd servacable. he's a fat, slow, terrable player. end of story.

his only marginal use is that of "living mascot"
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Re: Scalabrine
« Reply #16 on: October 09, 2008, 11:26:01 AM »

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Every team needs a Kevin Millar, Scal is ours. He has one of the few financially movable contracts on the team, unfortunately that is way more valuable than his play.

then we need to move him, because if we cut pruitt or miles, both of whom are wayyyy more useful than scal, i'll be ticked.

how is pruitt more "useful" than Scal?  What has he done except make a nice pass last night in a preseason game or drop 20 in the d-league?

Scal is a smart and serviceable player.  He's also making 3M.

Pruitt is gonzo and Scal is here to stay.  Get over it.

what, pray tell has been servicable about scal for the last 2 seasons while he's sat around balloning up to ham sandwich size?

passing? opps, he's bad at that

rebounding? lets move along.

shooting? nope, just last night he airballed 2 open looks and clanged 3 others.

defense? nope, got toasted last night, as he did in his limited times last year.

offensive awarness? nope, he through the ball away 3 times last night anticipating a cut that never came, and once when he saw the cut and threw the ball 5 feet behind the cutter.

so what, pray tell, is "servicable" about him? the fact that he's still breathing?

i'm so sick and tired of the "well sure, i mean, he's not a good basketball player, but he's cerebral about the game!"

h does nothing. N-O-T-H-I-N-G that is useful to us.

seriously, name me one thing he's even average at, and not from 2 years ago. from right now, with a new spare tire around the waist.

your right in that he won't be the cut because of his terrable contract, but dont tell me he's worth something. He's a terrable player, easily the worst we have.

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Re: Scalabrine
« Reply #17 on: October 09, 2008, 11:26:28 AM »

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I don't think Scal will be the one to go unless it's a trade. I believe Pruitt,Miles or Cassell. But because of Cassell's relationship with KG he's going to stay. I'm sure everybody around the NBA would love to see Miles stick around for awhile because of Portland's intresting cap situation and with the young talent they have everybody is holding thier breath hoping Miles can play ten games. So my opinion it will be Pruitt. They would luv to cut Scal but it would be a bad business decision. Walker and Giddens aren't going anywhere maybe a short stint in the D-league

Re: Scalabrine
« Reply #18 on: October 09, 2008, 11:27:46 AM »

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I bet Scal will holster his shots much better in the regular see when (if) he gets on the court.  I think he just saw it as probably one of the few opportunities he'll have this season of getting a guaranteed 15 minutes of PT regardless of what he did and launched a few.  At least I hope.

He did have a nice touch pass near the hoop to Big Baby(?).

After keeping him around for so frustratingly long, the Celtics can't just cut him now when his contract is finally becoming a valuable trading asset.

i understand that he's contract could be valuable, but you'd rather cut anyone else who can actually help this team just to save him for another year?
I'd be p---ed if gabe or miles gets cut over scal. i thought gabe did a great job defending louis williams last night, much better than house.

Re: Scalabrine
« Reply #19 on: October 09, 2008, 11:29:42 AM »

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I don't think Scal will be the one to go unless it's a trade. I believe Pruitt,Miles or Cassell. But because of Cassell's relationship with KG he's going to stay. I'm sure everybody around the NBA would love to see Miles stick around for awhile because of Portland's intresting cap situation and with the young talent they have everybody is holding thier breath hoping Miles can play ten games. So my opinion it will be Pruitt. They would luv to cut Scal but it would be a bad business decision. Walker and Giddens aren't going anywhere maybe a short stint in the D-league

it wont be cassell, because your not going to cut a guy you supposedly have an open offer to coach next year after signing him for a one year deal.

I think it will be pruitt, which is a bad move. not criplling, but a bad move. darius looked to good last night to be cut when your essentialy paying him the minimum to sit at the end of the bench.

from a basketball standpoint, its clearly scal.

but from a real world standpoint, miles and pruitt are competing for that spot, and we have alot more depth at gaurd between rondo, house, Ta, and cassell than we do at SF with pierce and walker and an undersized TA.

i think pruitt, unfortuanly gets squeezed out.

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Re: Scalabrine
« Reply #20 on: October 09, 2008, 11:36:10 AM »

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Has Miles really locked up a spot?  Did he play that much better then the rookie?   



If they are close, Miles is gone as they will allow the rookie to develop. 

but miles and scal are the same posistion. I'd rather have miles as the 15th man.

in reality, this is mute, since scal's horrid contract will keep him around, but lets not call a turd servacable. he's a fat, slow, terrable player. end of story.

his only marginal use is that of "living mascot"


But if Miles is going to be buried on the bench, Scali is worth more because of his contract next year. 

Re: Scalabrine
« Reply #21 on: October 09, 2008, 11:46:29 AM »

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Has Miles really locked up a spot?  Did he play that much better then the rookie?   



If they are close, Miles is gone as they will allow the rookie to develop. 

but miles and scal are the same posistion. I'd rather have miles as the 15th man.

in reality, this is mute, since scal's horrid contract will keep him around, but lets not call a turd servacable. he's a fat, slow, terrable player. end of story.

his only marginal use is that of "living mascot"


But if Miles is going to be buried on the bench, Scali is worth more because of his contract next year. 

right, and thats why i agree he'll be around, but from a  pure "lets be the deepest, most talanted team we could be" standpoint, i'm going to hate this cut.

I would rather have walker/miles to backup the 3 if the unthinable happened than walker/scal, but i agree that scal's contract won't allow that to happen without a cut.

I still think its gabe, just becase were running 5 deep on gaurds with him around. Hosue and cassell are both combo gaurds, and you have to think that TA is above him too. i don't se eus keeping a 5th G around as a non-playing prospect ya know?

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Re: Scalabrine
« Reply #22 on: October 09, 2008, 11:52:38 AM »

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Has Miles really locked up a spot?  Did he play that much better then the rookie?   



If they are close, Miles is gone as they will allow the rookie to develop. 

but miles and scal are the same posistion. I'd rather have miles as the 15th man.

in reality, this is mute, since scal's horrid contract will keep him around, but lets not call a turd servacable. he's a fat, slow, terrable player. end of story.

his only marginal use is that of "living mascot"


But if Miles is going to be buried on the bench, Scali is worth more because of his contract next year. 

right, and thats why i agree he'll be around, but from a  pure "lets be the deepest, most talanted team we could be" standpoint, i'm going to hate this cut.

I would rather have walker/miles to backup the 3 if the unthinable happened than walker/scal, but i agree that scal's contract won't allow that to happen without a cut.

I still think its gabe, just becase were running 5 deep on gaurds with him around. Hosue and cassell are both combo gaurds, and you have to think that TA is above him too. i don't se eus keeping a 5th G around as a non-playing prospect ya know?




I don't want to see cassell play this year. and how do we have 5 pgs? you shouldn't count TA as a PG. I like pruitts ability to puch da ball, it fits this team and neither house or cassell has the speed to push like pruitt did last night. I say keep him, just get rid of scal.

Re: Scalabrine
« Reply #23 on: October 09, 2008, 12:16:09 PM »

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I suspect they will trade Davis.  He may have quick feet, and a wide body, but his lack of jumping ability, and his short size make him expendable. I doubt they will sign Davis to an extension.  I did not think Davis looked all that good. But I think he is tradeable.  Scal at least has the outside shot. (Though he self sabotages his shot.  If he wants to play in this league his killer instinct needs to step up and dominate when he is taking his shot).  Frankly, with Scal, self-sabotage is written all over his face.

Re: Scalabrine
« Reply #24 on: October 09, 2008, 12:27:29 PM »

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Has Miles really locked up a spot?  Did he play that much better then the rookie?   



If they are close, Miles is gone as they will allow the rookie to develop. 

but miles and scal are the same posistion. I'd rather have miles as the 15th man.

in reality, this is mute, since scal's horrid contract will keep him around, but lets not call a turd servacable. he's a fat, slow, terrable player. end of story.

his only marginal use is that of "living mascot"


But if Miles is going to be buried on the bench, Scali is worth more because of his contract next year. 

right, and thats why i agree he'll be around, but from a  pure "lets be the deepest, most talanted team we could be" standpoint, i'm going to hate this cut.

I would rather have walker/miles to backup the 3 if the unthinable happened than walker/scal, but i agree that scal's contract won't allow that to happen without a cut.

I still think its gabe, just becase were running 5 deep on gaurds with him around. Hosue and cassell are both combo gaurds, and you have to think that TA is above him too. i don't se eus keeping a 5th G around as a non-playing prospect ya know?




I don't want to see cassell play this year. and how do we have 5 pgs? you shouldn't count TA as a PG. I like pruitts ability to puch da ball, it fits this team and neither house or cassell has the speed to push like pruitt did last night. I say keep him, just get rid of scal.

true, and i dont want sam either, ina perfect world we wouldn't have resigned him and then we wouldnt have this mess at gaurd.

as to TA not being a PG, true, but pruitt is going to be coming off the bench, and thus i just used him as a combo and incvluded all the gaurds. if were going PG's only, he's still screwed.

1. rondo
2. house/ sam (they are working eddie's dribblign HARD in camp against the press, and doc has been saying how he is going to be a back up point so...)
3. see 2's loser
4. pruitt


i just don't think were going to carry a kid who needs playing time to develop thats 4th at best on a depth chart when were really thin at SF. for that reason, i think miles gets his one year at the min and gabe gets shipped out in a trade.
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Re: Scalabrine
« Reply #25 on: October 09, 2008, 12:35:08 PM »

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Has Miles really locked up a spot?  Did he play that much better then the rookie?   



If they are close, Miles is gone as they will allow the rookie to develop. 

but miles and scal are the same posistion. I'd rather have miles as the 15th man.

in reality, this is mute, since scal's horrid contract will keep him around, but lets not call a turd servacable. he's a fat, slow, terrable player. end of story.

his only marginal use is that of "living mascot"


But if Miles is going to be buried on the bench, Scali is worth more because of his contract next year. 

I don't know that Miles will be buried on the bench. I thought he looked pretty good late night. If he's healthy, I think he could be a good role player on this team. Maybe even a replacement for Posey. He appeared to play pretty hard on D, and even made a few steals. I wouldn't count him out yet.

Re: Scalabrine
« Reply #26 on: October 09, 2008, 12:42:49 PM »

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Has Miles really locked up a spot?  Did he play that much better then the rookie?   



If they are close, Miles is gone as they will allow the rookie to develop. 

but miles and scal are the same posistion. I'd rather have miles as the 15th man.

in reality, this is mute, since scal's horrid contract will keep him around, but lets not call a turd servacable. he's a fat, slow, terrable player. end of story.

his only marginal use is that of "living mascot"


But if Miles is going to be buried on the bench, Scali is worth more because of his contract next year. 

I agree with this.  Not to mention the real money part of it (Miles contract is non-guaranteed, Scals they are on the hook for if they cut him).

But the real reason I think Miles is still more likely to be cut than Scal is because of how he looked last night.

Miles looked very slow last night, and had no explosion.  He did not show me too much on defense (a part of the game we know Scal excels on), and all he showed on offense is that he knows how to cut. 

Based on last nights evidence, I might even argue that Scal is more valuable to this team on the floor.  He has always been a better defender than Miles, he brings much more leadership, even if he is a bad shooter, he has historically been significantly better than Miles (other than on dunks of course). 

Lets face it, without his Athleticism, Miles is not much better than Scal, if he is better at all.  So Miles needs to either somehow get some of that explosion back in the next couple weeks, or he will likely be out of the job.

Re: Scalabrine
« Reply #27 on: October 09, 2008, 12:47:24 PM »

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I think this comment from the otherside at Loy's place says it all:

"Any interest in Brian Scalabrine in Philly? He had more TOs than Rebounds, not many guys can give you that."

When other teams are making fun of us for having Scal you know it's time for him to go!

Re: Scalabrine
« Reply #28 on: October 09, 2008, 12:50:58 PM »

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Has Miles really locked up a spot?  Did he play that much better then the rookie?   



If they are close, Miles is gone as they will allow the rookie to develop. 

but miles and scal are the same posistion. I'd rather have miles as the 15th man.

in reality, this is mute, since scal's horrid contract will keep him around, but lets not call a turd servacable. he's a fat, slow, terrable player. end of story.

his only marginal use is that of "living mascot"


But if Miles is going to be buried on the bench, Scali is worth more because of his contract next year. 

I agree with this.  Not to mention the real money part of it (Miles contract is non-guaranteed, Scals they are on the hook for if they cut him).

But the real reason I think Miles is still more likely to be cut than Scal is because of how he looked last night.

Miles looked very slow last night, and had no explosion.  He did not show me too much on defense (a part of the game we know Scal excels on), and all he showed on offense is that he knows how to cut. 

Based on last nights evidence, I might even argue that Scal is more valuable to this team on the floor.  He has always been a better defender than Miles, he brings much more leadership, even if he is a bad shooter, he has historically been significantly better than Miles (other than on dunks of course). 

Lets face it, without his Athleticism, Miles is not much better than Scal, if he is better at all.  So Miles needs to either somehow get some of that explosion back in the next couple weeks, or he will likely be out of the job.

i have to disagree chris, on multiple points. While he did look like he got winded fairly quickly, the man hasen't played basketball in 2 years. I'd like to see him get more than 3 weeks of conditioning before we declare that injury releated. It's "my knee didnt work for a year and a half, im out of shape" releated.

despite that, he moved well without the ball, was cutting off screens and hustling back. he was often one of the first guys back on D, he may have tired quicker than i like, but he was busting tail while he was on the floor.

to say he does "the same things as scal" minus the athltisim is ridiculous. he played MUCH better defense last night, passed better, moved without the ball, which scal didn't, and got down the floor faster than scal could dream of doing.

as to defense, he made 2 really good steals and forced a jump ball, which i count as a third since he won it, out jumping an athletic gaurd.

on offense, while he wasen't throwing down GG level dunks like he used to, he efficently got to the rim, going 3/3, with a nice cut, a good lay up in transision, and  throwing down an alley opp, he also had 2 nice passes in the interior.

overall, i was pretty impressed that a guy out of NBA shape for 2 years and supposedly still at 80% was as effiecnt as he was.

If the cut had to be made today, i think it's gabe pruitt, because we have a log jam at gaurd. where exactly will pruitt ge this playing time, at PG or SG behind rondo, ray, cassell, eddie, and TA?

as to scal's defense, what is this based on at this point? i always here he plays great defense, but he got destroyed last night, three seprate times, on cuts. Mabey he was a good defender 2 years ago, when he got playing time, but now hes slow and out of shape. he played atrocious defense last night, and he looks terrable. he's out of shape (nice beer belly) and slow as molasses.

Sicne scal will continue to be an albatross and filling a seat, pruitt is gone, IMO.

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Re: Scalabrine
« Reply #29 on: October 09, 2008, 01:04:25 PM »

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Every team needs a Kevin Millar, Scal is ours. He has one of the few financially movable contracts on the team, unfortunately that is way more valuable than his play.

then we need to move him, because if we cut pruitt or miles, both of whom are wayyyy more useful than scal, i'll be ticked.

how is pruitt more "useful" than Scal?  What has he done except make a nice pass last night in a preseason game or drop 20 in the d-league?

Scal is a smart and serviceable player.  He's also making 3M.

Pruitt is gonzo and Scal is here to stay.  Get over it.

what, pray tell has been servicable about scal for the last 2 seasons while he's sat around balloning up to ham sandwich size?

passing? opps, he's bad at that

rebounding? lets move along.

shooting? nope, just last night he airballed 2 open looks and clanged 3 others.

defense? nope, got toasted last night, as he did in his limited times last year.

offensive awarness? nope, he through the ball away 3 times last night anticipating a cut that never came, and once when he saw the cut and threw the ball 5 feet behind the cutter.

so what, pray tell, is "servicable" about him? the fact that he's still breathing?

i'm so sick and tired of the "well sure, i mean, he's not a good basketball player, but he's cerebral about the game!"

h does nothing. N-O-T-H-I-N-G that is useful to us.

seriously, name me one thing he's even average at, and not from 2 years ago. from right now, with a new spare tire around the waist.

your right in that he won't be the cut because of his terrable contract, but dont tell me he's worth something. He's a terrable player, easily the worst we have.

The question remains: what is useful about pruitt?  not much to say about that do you now...?
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