Charlie Rosen: "If the Celtics can't repeat, it's their own fault"

[Kwhit10]

Of course it would be their own fault if they can't repeat...Who else's fault would it be?

[BballTim]

  Or POB replaced Pollard.

  Look, I wanted Posey back too. But I'm fine with the fact that Ainge didn't panic and wildly overpay for him. Despite all the angst I'm hearing over what might be end of the bench guys we still have at least a good a chance of winning the title that we had going into last season.

Ok.  POB replaced Pollard, and *nobody* replaced P.J.  Much better.   

I know people feel a need to defend Danny and the Celtics, but it's okay to admit that he could have done better.  That doesn't make you a traitor to the cause or anything.  He miscalculated and missed out on both Posey and any viable replacement for him.  We still have a good team and a good chance at repeating.  However, those chances weren't maximized.

  Contrary to popular belief, there are other reasons to not get upset that we didn't overpay Posey than blindly defending Ainge or fear of being a traitor.

  There are 2 main differences between the Celtics last summer and the Celts now. One is Posey isn't here. The other is the players have played together for a full year and won the title. Many here think that Posey leaving will greatly outweigh any advances the team as a whole made by playing together for a year and the playoff experience. I disagree. Nobody's made a convincing argument that we'll be worse this year than last.

  And frankly I think the claim that Ainge miscalculated and missed out on both Posey and any viable replacement for him is ridiculous. Is there a shred of evidence that Ainge miscalculated with Posey? Everyone here knew what Posey wanted, and that it was more than Ainge wanted to pay. Claiming that Ainge was banking on the fact that nobody would offer Posey 4 years is revisionist. Likewise, when we were discussing whether Ainge should offer the full MLE to Posey, the most used argument on favor of re-signing him was that there wasn't a reasonable replacement on the market. Which of those viable replacements are going to be markedly better than any of Walker, Giddens or Allen?

  We all know that Ainge didn't do everything possible to put the Celts in the best possible position to win this year. But we should also know that it's not necessarily in the team's best interest to do so. He has to balance the present with the future. Forgive me if I'm wrong, but I don't recall you leading the charge to re-sign Posey at whatever the cost. I don't see you now claiming that we aren't title contenders. Yet you constantly criticize what Ainge did. Why? Because he took a flier on POB and signed Miles to a non-guaranteed deal? How many players has Danny signed to non-guaranteed deals? How many of them made the roster? How many of them do you think he expected to play major roles for us?

[BballTim]

They followed up the GREATEST offseason in league history (literally)...

...with an ABYSMAL offseason this year. No other way to put it.

  Sure it was abysmal, if you're positive that we'll get zero contribution from any of Walker, Giddens, Miles, POB and Pruitt. And if you ignore that we're still as likely to win the title as anyone in the league.

[incoherent]

JR GIDDENS > SAM CASSEL (any potential is better then straight up ball hog)

POB > POLLARD

MILES > PJ BROWN


Someone said we lost our 2 best bench players??? We still have House.


This off-season was not bad, and is being far blown out of proportion.

[incoherent]

Guys, get over PJ Brown.  He is not that good.  Go back and watch some of the games.... EVERYONE scored on him AT WILL.

[Roy Hobbs]

MILES > PJ BROWN

Based upon what?  Miles hasn't played in 2 1/2 years, is coming off an injury that was declared career-ending, he's out of shape, and he was never that good to begin with.

People are really fooling themselves about Darius Miles.

[incoherent]

I'm basing it on watching PJ get scored on over and over by every player on the opposite team.

Even then I might be reaching, but I'm not down on the off seasons moves like everyone else.

[incoherent]

1. Danny retained the starting 5, not hard to do since they were all under contract.

2.  Got rid of all the old players and the good old player asking for too much money

3. Replaced the old guys with defensive minded youth and some high reward low risk players.

4. Fans angry at Danny's ineptitude just 12 months after pulling off a trade of a life time and restoring faith to MILLIONS of C's fans all over the world.

[FallGuy]

The relevant concern about repeating next year should be focused not on the offseason (solely) but on the roster and relative wear and tear of the team come playoff game number one. Labelling the offseason a disaster (when it's not even over) or a success is misguided. Who thinks Danny's done making moves for the playoffs?

[Fastbreak]

Charlie Rosen came up with a topic that is certainly thread worthy..I can't get too excited about Danny's moves to date...but if I remember correctly (as Birdbrain pointed out) moves were made during the season..which allows us time to see if Walker, Giddens or Miles truly stand up...

[nickagneta]

1. Danny retained the starting 5, not hard to do since they were all under contract.

2.  Got rid of all the old players and the good old player asking for too much money

3. Replaced the old guys with defensive minded youth and some high reward low risk players.

4. Fans angry at Danny's ineptitude just 12 months after pulling off a trade of a life time and restoring faith to MILLIONS of C's fans all over the world.

Here's the funny thing about "old guys" as you call them. You tend to need a lot more "old guys" on a team than "young guys" to win a championship. Just take a look back. Teams that had veterans won the championships, not teams made up primarily of "young guys".

And right now, this Celtic team is made up of a whole bunch of young guys, half of whom have proven nothing in this league.

Danny miscalculated the off season market and quite possibly the worth the championship had in drawing veteran players here at a discount price. Now this team is made up of the Big Three, a 22 year old starter and a 23 year old starter, a vet in House and, quite honestly, no one else with a heck of a lot of proven game or experience that is needed in the playoffs. Even Powe and Baby were terribly inconsistent in the playoffs and were used at times with trepidation by Doc.

Danny should have followed his words. He said he played better playing big and in a half court set and instead of bringing in players that would enhance that he brought in projects.

[incoherent]

Under no circumstances do I want to see Brown and Cassel or Pollard back in our playoff line up.

Last year we had unproven Perk and unproven Rondo (from the media's perspective).  We needed vets to come in (Cassel and Brown) to be able to step in for these two.

We need not worry about Perk and Rondo this year. They are our new vets at these positions.

It seems simple too me.


Be angry Posey is gone but don't go attaching Brown, Cassel... Pollard to him like they were good because they just weren't.  PJ Brown was somewhat serviceable and was lucky to be on our team.

Other then that they just aren't worth keeping if keeping them means passing up young guys (next year's role players, or the year after that's starter ect ect)

[brownbagger]

I have to agree with you Incorrent that PJ was more lucky to be a Celtic than the team needing his

services.We could have survived without him and still won.90% of the time he was on the floor i was

holding my breathe or yelling at my tv mainly PJ.He was slow on defensive rotations throughout the

palyoffs,even though he served some valuable playing time.

[MVP]

1. Danny retained the starting 5, not hard to do since they were all under contract.

2.  Got rid of all the old players and the good old player asking for too much money

3. Replaced the old guys with defensive minded youth and some high reward low risk players.

4. Fans angry at Danny's ineptitude just 12 months after pulling off a trade of a life time and restoring faith to MILLIONS of C's fans all over the world.

Here's the funny thing about "old guys" as you call them. You tend to need a lot more "old guys" on a team than "young guys" to win a championship. Just take a look back. Teams that had veterans won the championships, not teams made up primarily of "young guys".

And right now, this Celtic team is made up of a whole bunch of young guys, half of whom have proven nothing in this league.

Danny miscalculated the off season market and quite possibly the worth the championship had in drawing veteran players here at a discount price. Now this team is made up of the Big Three, a 22 year old starter and a 23 year old starter, a vet in House and, quite honestly, no one else with a heck of a lot of proven game or experience that is needed in the playoffs. Even Powe and Baby were terribly inconsistent in the playoffs and were used at times with trepidation by Doc.

Danny should have followed his words. He said he played better playing big and in a half court set and instead of bringing in players that would enhance that he brought in projects.

Last year, we had a 21 year and a 22 year old in the starting line up with pretty much zero playoff experience. Powe and Big Baby were question marks to even play during the regular season, never mind the playoffs. At the start of last year we had only 1 player player with a ring, this year we have 11. This season, our starting line up is already proven. House, Powe and Big Baby provided valuable contributions last season during the regular season and playoffs. Sure there are some question marks about the team, but much less so then last year.

Danny didn't miscalculate the off season market in regards to Posey either. His first two choices for the backup wing were Posey/Maggette. Both of those were too pricey. The next best available wing on the market for a reasonable price was arguably TA. James Jones, Pietrus and Evans were the other realistic options for the backup wing. A healthy TA is as good as any of them IMO and getting Jones or Pietrus instead of TA would have meant we couldn't have retained House. I would rather have TA+House then one of Jones or Pietrus or TA rather then Evans.

[wdleehi]

JR GIDDENS > SAM CASSEL (any potential is better then straight up ball hog)

POB > POLLARD

MILES > PJ BROWN


Someone said we lost our 2 best bench players??? We still have House.


This off-season was not bad, and is being far blown out of proportion.

You can't say any of those things.  Cassell did contribute to some playoff games.

PJ was the backup C and first big man off the bench


These new guys have done nothing. 


And you ignored Posey.