Celticsblog Fantasy Roster Review

[Roy Hobbs]

C: Brendan Haywood / Kurt Thomas (he will be great against the Duncans of the NBA)
PF: Chris Wilcox / Ronny Turiaf (to beastly guys who will bang bodies all night)
      Carmelo can also play at PF.
SF: Carmelo Anthony / Shane Battier
SG: Ron Artest / Andres Nocioni / CJ Miles  (Artest can be a mismatch physically and still guard top players here)
PG: Rafer Alston / Jannero Pargo (probably play 60/40 in terms of minutes especially if Alston starts jacking up shots)

I feel one of my best defensive lineups without sacrificing offense would be

C: Kurt Thomas
PF: Carmelo Anthony
SF: Shane Battier
SG: Ron Artest
PG: Either can play the passing lanes as Battier is one of the top help defenders.  Nocioni is no slouch on defense too, draws lots of offensive fouls.

Comments?

Couple things:

!) I think you're overrating Artest's versatility here. 3 years ago, he could guard 5 positions. he hasn't shown a willingness or ability to do that since.
2)Anthony can move down in the FIBA competitions but I don't think you want him playing his matador defense and lackluster rebounding as a 4, even in small ball. Small ball lineups work because the smaller guys are faster smarter and want it more. If the entire regular season were held in beijing I'd say thats fine, but Carmelo isn't the same guy in the NBA.
3) Wilcox and Turiaf are being a little misrepresented for me here. Wilcox is a guy who scores in transition, and who scores garbage points. He's a rebounding monster that doesn't play very good defense. He's just not talented enough to be the main focus of an offensive attack down low. Ditto everything for Wilcox for Turiaf.

You need to change 2 of Artest/Battier/Nocioni into a starting SG.  All three are good SFs, but all are mismatched at SG.


Also, Melo will never be on your best defensive team.

Well and based on the rules of the game, you also just lost Pargo to Moscow...

Yep, I was thinking that, too.  That's the risk of drafting free agents (and I have a couple on my team, too.)

[Gainesville Celtic]

Change of plans, guys. I've thought about it for awhile now and Chris Paul is now UNAVAILABLE. I will try my best to get enough pieces around Chris Paul so he can win. Good day.

Smart decision, I think.  I think it's nearly impossible to get equal value for a player of CP3's caliber.

Well certainly not with the junk CERTAIN Western Conf. teams were reportedly offering...

Haha.  If I heard accurately about what some of the Eastern Conf. teams were offering, the Western Conference junk was quite a bit better.

You must have been misinformed.

After the finals, Marc Spears will divulge what he heard in his book "Martell Webster, Are You Kidding Me?" and the rest of the fake NBA can make their decisiion...

[Roy Hobbs]

Change of plans, guys. I've thought about it for awhile now and Chris Paul is now UNAVAILABLE. I will try my best to get enough pieces around Chris Paul so he can win. Good day.

Smart decision, I think.  I think it's nearly impossible to get equal value for a player of CP3's caliber.

Well certainly not with the junk CERTAIN Western Conf. teams were reportedly offering...

Haha.  If I heard accurately about what some of the Eastern Conf. teams were offering, the Western Conference junk was quite a bit better.

You must have been misinformed. After the finals, Marc Spears will divulge what he heard and the rest of the FNBA can make the decisiion...

From what I hear through David Aldridge, the best offer from the East revolved around two washed up vets, an established young guy who is a second- or third-tier star, and a young guy with potential.  The best offer from the West involved two young guys with star potential (who are both established), plus young role players.  Then, of course, there was Edgar's offer.

The Spurs made the right decision overall, but the East's offer was just silly; the thought of a young team like San Antonio trading for two old guys and two young guys with moderate ceilings just made no sense for them whatsoever.  At least the Western offer gave them two, and possibly three, young guys they could have immediately plugged into their starting lineup.  Word has it that when the Eastern offer was spread throughout a handful of other teams, plus a retired General Manager, the universal reaction was chuckles.

 

[RebusRankin]

Clippers GM, Rebus Rankin had this to say about the current addition of the Clippers. "You wouldn't believe the expectations we have from fans. Frankie Muniez has been calling repeatedly about the team. I guess he's got lots of time what with no tv show. Billy Crystal is trying to make suggestions on who to draft. Then you've got Bill Simmons asking for free tickets because he's the Sports Guy and saying he could do a better job. Then there are all the former Laker fans who want prime tickets now that the Lakers are in Vegas."

[Roy Hobbs]

Clippers GM, Rebus Rankin had this to say about the current addition of the Clippers. "You wouldn't believe the expectations we have from fans. Frankie Muniez has been calling repeatedly about the team. I guess he's got lots of time what with no tv show. Billy Crystal is trying to make suggestions on who to draft. Then you've got Bill Simmons asking for free tickets because he's the Sports Guy and saying he could do a better job. Then there are all the former Laker fans who want prime tickets now that the Lakers are in Vegas."

Wait...  didn't the Clippers move to Winnipeg?  Or was that another team?  I'm so confused...

[Kwhit10]

C: Brendan Haywood / Kurt Thomas (he will be great against the Duncans of the NBA)
PF: Chris Wilcox / Ronny Turiaf (to beastly guys who will bang bodies all night)
      Carmelo can also play at PF.
SF: Carmelo Anthony / Shane Battier
SG: Ron Artest / Andres Nocioni / CJ Miles  (Artest can be a mismatch physically and still guard top players here)
PG: Rafer Alston / Jannero Pargo (probably play 60/40 in terms of minutes especially if Alston starts jacking up shots)

I feel one of my best defensive lineups without sacrificing offense would be

C: Kurt Thomas
PF: Carmelo Anthony
SF: Shane Battier
SG: Ron Artest
PG: Either can play the passing lanes as Battier is one of the top help defenders.  Nocioni is no slouch on defense too, draws lots of offensive fouls.

Comments?

Couple things:

!) I think you're overrating Artest's versatility here. 3 years ago, he could guard 5 positions. he hasn't shown a willingness or ability to do that since.
2)Anthony can move down in the FIBA competitions but I don't think you want him playing his matador defense and lackluster rebounding as a 4, even in small ball. Small ball lineups work because the smaller guys are faster smarter and want it more. If the entire regular season were held in beijing I'd say thats fine, but Carmelo isn't the same guy in the NBA.
3) Wilcox and Turiaf are being a little misrepresented for me here. Wilcox is a guy who scores in transition, and who scores garbage points. He's a rebounding monster that doesn't play very good defense. He's just not talented enough to be the main focus of an offensive attack down low. Ditto everything for Wilcox for Turiaf.

You need to change 2 of Artest/Battier/Nocioni into a starting SG.  All three are good SFs, but all are mismatched at SG.


Also, Melo will never be on your best defensive team.

Well and based on the rules of the game, you also just lost Pargo to Moscow...

So the 76ers would not be able to offer Pargo 13million over 3 years to keep him from Moscow?

[Roy Hobbs]

C: Brendan Haywood / Kurt Thomas (he will be great against the Duncans of the NBA)
PF: Chris Wilcox / Ronny Turiaf (to beastly guys who will bang bodies all night)
      Carmelo can also play at PF.
SF: Carmelo Anthony / Shane Battier
SG: Ron Artest / Andres Nocioni / CJ Miles  (Artest can be a mismatch physically and still guard top players here)
PG: Rafer Alston / Jannero Pargo (probably play 60/40 in terms of minutes especially if Alston starts jacking up shots)

I feel one of my best defensive lineups without sacrificing offense would be

C: Kurt Thomas
PF: Carmelo Anthony
SF: Shane Battier
SG: Ron Artest
PG: Either can play the passing lanes as Battier is one of the top help defenders.  Nocioni is no slouch on defense too, draws lots of offensive fouls.

Comments?

Couple things:

!) I think you're overrating Artest's versatility here. 3 years ago, he could guard 5 positions. he hasn't shown a willingness or ability to do that since.
2)Anthony can move down in the FIBA competitions but I don't think you want him playing his matador defense and lackluster rebounding as a 4, even in small ball. Small ball lineups work because the smaller guys are faster smarter and want it more. If the entire regular season were held in beijing I'd say thats fine, but Carmelo isn't the same guy in the NBA.
3) Wilcox and Turiaf are being a little misrepresented for me here. Wilcox is a guy who scores in transition, and who scores garbage points. He's a rebounding monster that doesn't play very good defense. He's just not talented enough to be the main focus of an offensive attack down low. Ditto everything for Wilcox for Turiaf.

You need to change 2 of Artest/Battier/Nocioni into a starting SG.  All three are good SFs, but all are mismatched at SG.


Also, Melo will never be on your best defensive team.

Well and based on the rules of the game, you also just lost Pargo to Moscow...

So the 76ers would not be able to offer Pargo 13million over 3 years to keep him from Moscow?

I don't think so, but that's ultimately wdleehi's call.  I think since the Childress thing (and for most of us, earlier) we've all been under the assumption that players who are drafted that sign European contracts can't play for our teams this year.

[Kwhit10]

The situation is a little different, I did technically draft him before he signed with Moscow.

[RebusRankin]

Clippers GM, Rebus Rankin had this to say about the current addition of the Clippers. "You wouldn't believe the expectations we have from fans. Frankie Muniez has been calling repeatedly about the team. I guess he's got lots of time what with no tv show. Billy Crystal is trying to make suggestions on who to draft. Then you've got Bill Simmons asking for free tickets because he's the Sports Guy and saying he could do a better job. Then there are all the former Laker fans who want prime tickets now that the Lakers are in Vegas."

Wait...  didn't the Clippers move to Winnipeg?  Or was that another team?  I'm so confused...

I tried to move them to Winnipeg but the owners voted against it.

[Lucky17]

So the 76ers would not be able to offer Pargo 13million over 3 years to keep him from Moscow?

I don't think so, but that's ultimately wdleehi's call.  I think since the Childress thing (and for most of us, earlier) we've all been under the assumption that players who are drafted that sign European contracts can't play for our teams this year.

Perhaps if Alston were to be unavailable for some reason, and Pargo were to be guaranteed starter's minutes with the team, he'd come back stateside?

[RebusRankin]

Could we not then draft players from Europe and say we lured them with huge contracts?

[Gainesville Celtic]

Change of plans, guys. I've thought about it for awhile now and Chris Paul is now UNAVAILABLE. I will try my best to get enough pieces around Chris Paul so he can win. Good day.

Smart decision, I think.  I think it's nearly impossible to get equal value for a player of CP3's caliber.

Well certainly not with the junk CERTAIN Western Conf. teams were reportedly offering...

Haha.  If I heard accurately about what some of the Eastern Conf. teams were offering, the Western Conference junk was quite a bit better.

You must have been misinformed. After the finals, Marc Spears will divulge what he heard and the rest of the FNBA can make the decisiion...

From what I hear through David Aldridge, the best offer from the East revolved around two washed up vets, an established young guy who is a second- or third-tier star, and a young guy with potential.  The best offer from the West involved two young guys with star potential (who are both established), plus young role players.  Then, of course, there was Edgar's offer.

The Spurs made the right decision overall, but the East's offer was just silly; the thought of a young team like San Antonio trading for two old guys and two young guys with moderate ceilings just made no sense for them whatsoever.  At least the Western offer gave them two, and possibly three, young guys they could have immediately plugged into their starting lineup.  Word has it that when the Eastern offer was spread throughout a handful of other teams, plus a retired General Manager, the universal reaction was chuckles.

 

Inquiring minds want to know Roy..... what else did Elgin Baylor, Kevin McHale and Billy Knight have to say?

[Roy Hobbs]

Change of plans, guys. I've thought about it for awhile now and Chris Paul is now UNAVAILABLE. I will try my best to get enough pieces around Chris Paul so he can win. Good day.

Smart decision, I think.  I think it's nearly impossible to get equal value for a player of CP3's caliber.

Well certainly not with the junk CERTAIN Western Conf. teams were reportedly offering...

Haha.  If I heard accurately about what some of the Eastern Conf. teams were offering, the Western Conference junk was quite a bit better.

You must have been misinformed. After the finals, Marc Spears will divulge what he heard and the rest of the FNBA can make the decisiion...

From what I hear through David Aldridge, the best offer from the East revolved around two washed up vets, an established young guy who is a second- or third-tier star, and a young guy with potential.  The best offer from the West involved two young guys with star potential (who are both established), plus young role players.  Then, of course, there was Edgar's offer.

The Spurs made the right decision overall, but the East's offer was just silly; the thought of a young team like San Antonio trading for two old guys and two young guys with moderate ceilings just made no sense for them whatsoever.  At least the Western offer gave them two, and possibly three, young guys they could have immediately plugged into their starting lineup.  Word has it that when the Eastern offer was spread throughout a handful of other teams, plus a retired General Manager, the universal reaction was chuckles.

 

Inquiring minds want to know Roy..... what else did Elgin Baylor, Kevin McHale and Billy Knight have to say?

Haha.  I think some of those guys would have been all over that trade.  All they have to do is give up a young superstar who hasn't entered his prime, for a couple of broken down guys and a couple of guys with limited upside?  Score!

[indeedproceed]

C: Brendan Haywood / Kurt Thomas (he will be great against the Duncans of the NBA)
PF: Chris Wilcox / Ronny Turiaf (to beastly guys who will bang bodies all night)
      Carmelo can also play at PF.
SF: Carmelo Anthony / Shane Battier
SG: Ron Artest / Andres Nocioni / CJ Miles  (Artest can be a mismatch physically and still guard top players here)
PG: Rafer Alston / Jannero Pargo (probably play 60/40 in terms of minutes especially if Alston starts jacking up shots)

I feel one of my best defensive lineups without sacrificing offense would be

C: Kurt Thomas
PF: Carmelo Anthony
SF: Shane Battier
SG: Ron Artest
PG: Either can play the passing lanes as Battier is one of the top help defenders.  Nocioni is no slouch on defense too, draws lots of offensive fouls.

Comments?

Couple things:

!) I think you're overrating Artest's versatility here. 3 years ago, he could guard 5 positions. he hasn't shown a willingness or ability to do that since.
2)Anthony can move down in the FIBA competitions but I don't think you want him playing his matador defense and lackluster rebounding as a 4, even in small ball. Small ball lineups work because the smaller guys are faster smarter and want it more. If the entire regular season were held in beijing I'd say thats fine, but Carmelo isn't the same guy in the NBA.
3) Wilcox and Turiaf are being a little misrepresented for me here. Wilcox is a guy who scores in transition, and who scores garbage points. He's a rebounding monster that doesn't play very good defense. He's just not talented enough to be the main focus of an offensive attack down low. Ditto everything for Wilcox for Turiaf.

You need to change 2 of Artest/Battier/Nocioni into a starting SG.  All three are good SFs, but all are mismatched at SG.


Also, Melo will never be on your best defensive team.

Well and based on the rules of the game, you also just lost Pargo to Moscow...

Yep, I was thinking that, too.  That's the risk of drafting free agents (and I have a couple on my team, too.)

Beyond that though it may be a good thing. Pargo and Alston both lack a fundamental quality of a NBA starting pg, consistency. I think though that Pargo lacks more of it than Alston at this point. Pargo's whole mo is a lot like Eddie House: he hot sometimes, and sometimes he's cold. When he has a bad game, its atrocious.

Jannero Pargo, G: Needler
The needler will unleash a rapid-fire burst of needles at your opponent. Usually, the needles miss a lot and using the gun exposes you to your enemies counter fire more than you want. But man, when on target, the needler will destroy the competition.  Pargo = Needler.

I have a little more respect for his defense after the last year than I did before, since his ability to pressure ball handlers was an integral part of that hard-nosed 2nd unit defense.  Offensively though, he was beyond streaky.  Either he was on for weeks, or we was useless for weeks.  In the middle of December I was ready for him to go, hoping we'd find a guard somewhere that could put the ball in the basket.  At that point, he was shooting 35% from the floor and 25% from beyond the arc for the season.  Still, Pargos efforts for the team through January and February wiped out a lot of those bad memories as the team made a furious push that saw them earn two all-stars and recognition across the league.  He shot 46% during that stretch, and 39% from deep.  Predictably, he then fell apart again in March and April.

I think having Pargo on your squad is a plus, but playing him 40% of the time at the point I think is a problem. I'd think you'd want him more along the lines of 20% mins at the point and 20% at the 2. He'd you'd minimize the damage that way.

[Gainesville Celtic]

IP has time to comment on Janero Pargo but not make the first pick in the 11th round?!?

   Just teasin'... i'm fine with GM's taking their time and getting the right guy/deal.  I have no picks this round so i'll probably just be borrowing a high horse to ride around on