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Re: 2008 CelticsBlog draft board.
« Reply #1650 on: August 12, 2008, 04:12:31 PM »

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Re: 2008 CelticsBlog draft board.
« Reply #1651 on: August 12, 2008, 04:13:04 PM »

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Is the talent officially all gone?  People did a fabulous job in that round in sucking up everybody who was left.

Confession:  I didn't know Duhon hadn't been drafted.  Him or Blake...  hmm.  Probably still Blake.  But nice choice by LA.

I love what the Bulls did with their roster.  A lot of gritty players there.  They still need depth, but they made something out of nothing.  Nice job.

And I love Francisco Garcia for Edgar.  He's been our little secret for about a week now, and I was glad to see him slide.

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Re: 2008 CelticsBlog draft board.
« Reply #1652 on: August 12, 2008, 04:14:49 PM »

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Starters:
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PF – Odom
SF – Gerald Wallace
SG – Kevin Martin
PG – Tony Parker

Bench:
C  - Shaquille O’neal
PF – Tyrus Thomas
SF -  Bonzi Wells
SG – Michael Finley
PG – Luke Ridnour


I'm really beginning to like your team, you have 10 very solid players.

See you in the finals :)
UM not if me or Roy have anything to say about it you won't.

meh...i know everyone is all over roys team and all but i still say there are way too many cooks in the kitchen for that group to work as a unit. trying to pigeon would be stars into dirty work roles usually doesnt work when you have that many of them. isiah just tried to do that and it failed. no to mention there arent really any floor spacers on that team. they can run like gazelles but once the playoffs hit and theyre forced to play halfcourt that team would run into problems on offense.

No floor spacers? everyone in that starting lineup can knock down jumpers - martin and parker can shoot from deep while wallace and odom can step back on occasion as well.


I like this team because the second unit can compete with a lot of first units out there.  They will give up a lot of points on occasion and they don't have a cold-blooded assasin, but in an 82 game season this team would roll because they could rest the hell out of anyone who needed it.

sorry jgod. i wasnt referring to your team. i was referring to the squad roy hobbs put together that everyone seems to have anointed.

oh ok....that's not my team anyways, i'm with the Pacers.

Rose/Ellis/Bass/Wallace/Dalembert

We're certainly in rebuilding mode in Indi, but everyone says the West is stacked...maybe we can sneak in if the East is weak.

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Re: 2008 CelticsBlog draft board.
« Reply #1653 on: August 12, 2008, 04:16:25 PM »

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All this talk about these deep team without a superstar.




This is still the NBA.  You have to have a superstar to win. 

Re: 2008 CelticsBlog draft board.
« Reply #1654 on: August 12, 2008, 04:17:58 PM »

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Starters:
 C – Bogut
PF – Odom
SF – Gerald Wallace
SG – Kevin Martin
PG – Tony Parker

Bench:
C  - Shaquille O’neal
PF – Tyrus Thomas
SF -  Bonzi Wells
SG – Michael Finley
PG – Luke Ridnour


I'm really beginning to like your team, you have 10 very solid players.

See you in the finals :)
UM not if me or Roy have anything to say about it you won't.

meh...i know everyone is all over roys team and all but i still say there are way too many cooks in the kitchen for that group to work as a unit. trying to pigeon would be stars into dirty work roles usually doesnt work when you have that many of them. isiah just tried to do that and it failed. no to mention there arent really any floor spacers on that team. they can run like gazelles but once the playoffs hit and theyre forced to play halfcourt that team would run into problems on offense.

Isiah tried doing that with who? "Me first" players that have never won a thing in their whole career.

i was gonna say with talented guys all used to contributing big percentages of their teams scoring load but the way you said it sounds nice too. not like amare, gay, igoudala, or ford have actually won anything in their careers either so i guess "yes" is the answer to your question.

I'm very confused with you, but I'm also off work so I'll figure it out later.

Re: 2008 CelticsBlog draft board.
« Reply #1655 on: August 12, 2008, 04:24:17 PM »

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meh...i know everyone is all over roys team and all but i still say there are way too many cooks in the kitchen for that group to work as a unit. trying to pigeon would be stars into dirty work roles usually doesnt work when you have that many of them. isiah just tried to do that and it failed. no to mention there arent really any floor spacers on that team. they can run like gazelles but once the playoffs hit and theyre forced to play halfcourt that team would run into problems on offense.

No floor spacers? everyone in that starting lineup can knock down jumpers - martin and parker can shoot from deep while wallace and odom can step back on occasion as well.


I like this team because the second unit can compete with a lot of first units out there.  They will give up a lot of points on occasion and they don't have a cold-blooded assasin, but in an 82 game season this team would roll because they could rest the hell out of anyone who needed it.

sorry jgod. i wasnt referring to your team. i was referring to the squad roy hobbs put together that everyone seems to have anointed.

See, but you're just wrong.

Rudy Gay has a nice jump shot.  Iguodala does.  Horford certainly does.  Amare's is getting better.  Ford's has improved.  Webster has one of the best jumpers of any young player in the league.  Blake is a certifiable bomber. 

No floor spacers?  I guess I don't have Ray Allen on my team, but other than that, I'm pretty happy with their ability to shoot from outside.

Also, as I've stated numerous times, the guys I have drafted all fit within a team concept.  People have this idea in their heads that Rudy Gay has to be "the man".  Same with Horford.  Same with Iguodala, or Ford, or whoever else.  Every player on my team has been surrounded with players that have gotten more attention than them early in their careers, and not a one of them has complained about their role.

I *didn't* draft just based upon talent.  I drafted for "fit", and "role".  The *only* guy I didn't draft to fit a specific role on my team was Brandan Wright, and that's because I felt like gambling with the 9th slot on my roster.  Other than that, it's a team that's put together mindful of all the criticisms you and others are making.

If Michael Beasley was on my team, please, criticize me.  If I drafted Ron Artest, or Josh Howard, or Zach Randolph, please, aim your "talent over role players" gun at me.  But people who criticize Rudy Gay for being selfish don't know what they're talking about.  People who thinks Al Horford wants to be "the man" are sadly misinformed.  That applies to every play on my roster, with the *possible* exception of Amare (who will, indeed, be "the man" on my team, so I don't see a problem).

Again, I love the "you have too much talent" argument.  Didn't people say that about the Celtics this year?  Heck, didn't they say that about the Lakers and Celtics in the 1980s?  Those teams worked out okay, and so will mine.

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Re: 2008 CelticsBlog draft board.
« Reply #1656 on: August 12, 2008, 04:27:27 PM »

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All this talk about these deep team without a superstar.




This is still the NBA.  You have to have a superstar to win. 
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Re: 2008 CelticsBlog draft board.
« Reply #1657 on: August 12, 2008, 04:32:02 PM »

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Well shoot... I was just about to post my pick that I was quite happy about... then I figured I'd double check he was still available... lo and behold, Drew Gooden went in the 4th.  I don't know why I thought he was still around...

Sorry, I have to start my morning trading (job, not sports) so it'll be an hour or so before I can look into the others I want.

Hey ticket, I just read that article on you blocking that girl in your coed league.

"Now, I’m not one to exaggerate, but I’m pretty sure it was the direct cause of the L.A. earthquake."

"The girl is still probably scouring the courts for her pride and dignity which brings me to an important question: Can a guy block a girl in such a ferocious manner in a coed game? "

TP, Very funny stuff... ;D

I just remembered seeing your comment about this Jsaad... thanks for reading!  Haha... yeah, my friend who wrote that has a taste for analogies.  I'm not going to lie... if you bring that ball in my area, you best bring it strong.  She did not, and we play to win.  The block he referenced was actually the 2nd favorite of mine against the girl.  She shot another short jumper early that I timed a little early, and on the way down through a haymaker that sent the ball onto the lawn and into a fence 15 feet away from the court.


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Re: 2008 CelticsBlog draft board.
« Reply #1658 on: August 12, 2008, 04:42:43 PM »

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I think a lot of you are underestimating my Pistons, here's how we match up against the supposed best team in the East, Orlando Magic:

C: Chris Kaman vs Brad Miller         big edge: Pistons
PF: Emeka Okafor vs Tim Duncan        big edge: Magic (not for much longer though)
SF: Hedo Turkoglu vs Danny Granger    edge: Push
SG: Jason Richardson vs Allen Iverson big edge: Magic
PG: Earl Watson vs Delonte West       edge: Push

6: Jason Terry vs Thad Young          edge: Pistons
7: Carl Landry vs Joakim Noah         slight edge: Pistons
8: Mickael Pietrus vs Matt Harpring   very slight edge: Pistons
9: Kyle Lowry vs ????                 edge: Pistons (not many PG's near Lowry at this point)
10: Roy Hibbert vs ????               edge: unknown (could possibly be a push)

I without a doubt have a better bench than the Magic, and when you look at everything they are only slightly a better team. But their two superstars are aging, which could come back to hurt them in a few years.
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Re: 2008 CelticsBlog draft board.
« Reply #1659 on: August 12, 2008, 04:44:18 PM »

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I think a lot of you are underestimating my Pistons, here's how we match up against the supposed best team in the East, Orlando Magic:

C: Chris Kaman vs Brad Miller         big edge: Pistons
PF: Emeka Okafor vs Tim Duncan        big edge: Magic (not for much longer though)
SF: Hedo Turkoglu vs Danny Granger    edge: Push
SG: Jason Richardson vs Allen Iverson big edge: Magic
PG: Earl Watson vs Delonte West       edge: Push

6: Jason Terry vs Thad Young          edge: Pistons
7: Carl Landry vs Joakim Noah         slight edge: Pistons
8: Mickael Pietrus vs Matt Harpring   very slight edge: Pistons
9: Kyle Lowry vs ????                 edge: Pistons (not many PG's near Lowry at this point)
10: Roy Hibbert vs ????               edge: unknown (could possibly be a push)

I without a doubt have a better bench than the Magic, and when you look at everything they are only slightly a better team. But their two superstars are aging, which could come back to hurt them in a few years.


Superstar league.


I still have Detroit 4th in the East after the Knicks, Magic and Nets. 

Re: 2008 CelticsBlog draft board.
« Reply #1660 on: August 12, 2008, 05:03:24 PM »

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I think a lot of you are underestimating my Pistons, here's how we match up against the supposed best team in the East, Orlando Magic:

C: Chris Kaman vs Brad Miller         big edge: Pistons
PF: Emeka Okafor vs Tim Duncan        big edge: Magic (not for much longer though)
SF: Hedo Turkoglu vs Danny Granger    edge: Push
SG: Jason Richardson vs Allen Iverson big edge: Magic
PG: Earl Watson vs Delonte West       edge: Push

6: Jason Terry vs Thad Young          edge: Pistons
7: Carl Landry vs Joakim Noah         slight edge: Pistons
8: Mickael Pietrus vs Matt Harpring   very slight edge: Pistons
9: Kyle Lowry vs ????                 edge: Pistons (not many PG's near Lowry at this point)
10: Roy Hibbert vs ????               edge: unknown (could possibly be a push)

I without a doubt have a better bench than the Magic, and when you look at everything they are only slightly a better team. But their two superstars are aging, which could come back to hurt them in a few years.


Superstar league.


I still have Detroit 4th in the East after the Knicks, Magic and Nets. 

i'd be interested in hearing the impartial commissioner's rankings in terms of win now and future.

ps - apologies if you've already ranked and i missed it.

Re: 2008 CelticsBlog draft board.
« Reply #1661 on: August 12, 2008, 05:25:33 PM »

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I think a lot of you are underestimating my Pistons, here's how we match up against the supposed best team in the East, Orlando Magic:

C: Chris Kaman vs Brad Miller         big edge: Pistons
PF: Emeka Okafor vs Tim Duncan        big edge: Magic (not for much longer though)
SF: Hedo Turkoglu vs Danny Granger    edge: Push
SG: Jason Richardson vs Allen Iverson big edge: Magic
PG: Earl Watson vs Delonte West       edge: Push

6: Jason Terry vs Thad Young          edge: Pistons
7: Carl Landry vs Joakim Noah         slight edge: Pistons
8: Mickael Pietrus vs Matt Harpring   very slight edge: Pistons
9: Kyle Lowry vs ????                 edge: Pistons (not many PG's near Lowry at this point)
10: Roy Hibbert vs ????               edge: unknown (could possibly be a push)

I without a doubt have a better bench than the Magic, and when you look at everything they are only slightly a better team. But their two superstars are aging, which could come back to hurt them in a few years.


Superstar league.


I still have Detroit 4th in the East after the Knicks, Magic and Nets. 

i'd be interested in hearing the impartial commissioner's rankings in terms of win now and future.

ps - apologies if you've already ranked and i missed it.
Wait when did you rank the east? What about the west? where do you see me finishing?
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Re: 2008 CelticsBlog draft board.
« Reply #1662 on: August 12, 2008, 05:26:51 PM »

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I think a lot of you are underestimating my Pistons, here's how we match up against the supposed best team in the East, Orlando Magic:

C: Chris Kaman vs Brad Miller         big edge: Pistons
PF: Emeka Okafor vs Tim Duncan        big edge: Magic (not for much longer though)
SF: Hedo Turkoglu vs Danny Granger    edge: Push
SG: Jason Richardson vs Allen Iverson big edge: Magic
PG: Earl Watson vs Delonte West       edge: Push

6: Jason Terry vs Thad Young          edge: Pistons
7: Carl Landry vs Joakim Noah         slight edge: Pistons
8: Mickael Pietrus vs Matt Harpring   very slight edge: Pistons
9: Kyle Lowry vs ????                 edge: Pistons (not many PG's near Lowry at this point)
10: Roy Hibbert vs ????               edge: unknown (could possibly be a push)

I without a doubt have a better bench than the Magic, and when you look at everything they are only slightly a better team. But their two superstars are aging, which could come back to hurt them in a few years.


Superstar league.


I still have Detroit 4th in the East after the Knicks, Magic and Nets. 

i'd be interested in hearing the impartial commissioner's rankings in terms of win now and future.

ps - apologies if you've already ranked and i missed it.
Wait when did you rank the east? What about the west? where do you see me finishing?


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Re: 2008 CelticsBlog draft board.
« Reply #1663 on: August 12, 2008, 05:58:21 PM »

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meh...i know everyone is all over roys team and all but i still say there are way too many cooks in the kitchen for that group to work as a unit. trying to pigeon would be stars into dirty work roles usually doesnt work when you have that many of them. isiah just tried to do that and it failed. no to mention there arent really any floor spacers on that team. they can run like gazelles but once the playoffs hit and theyre forced to play halfcourt that team would run into problems on offense.

No floor spacers? everyone in that starting lineup can knock down jumpers - martin and parker can shoot from deep while wallace and odom can step back on occasion as well.


I like this team because the second unit can compete with a lot of first units out there.  They will give up a lot of points on occasion and they don't have a cold-blooded assasin, but in an 82 game season this team would roll because they could rest the hell out of anyone who needed it.

sorry jgod. i wasnt referring to your team. i was referring to the squad roy hobbs put together that everyone seems to have anointed.

See, but you're just wrong.

Rudy Gay has a nice jump shot.  Iguodala does.  Horford certainly does.  Amare's is getting better.  Ford's has improved.  Webster has one of the best jumpers of any young player in the league.  Blake is a certifiable bomber. 

No floor spacers?  I guess I don't have Ray Allen on my team, but other than that, I'm pretty happy with their ability to shoot from outside.

Also, as I've stated numerous times, the guys I have drafted all fit within a team concept.  People have this idea in their heads that Rudy Gay has to be "the man".  Same with Horford.  Same with Iguodala, or Ford, or whoever else.  Every player on my team has been surrounded with players that have gotten more attention than them early in their careers, and not a one of them has complained about their role.

I *didn't* draft just based upon talent.  I drafted for "fit", and "role".  The *only* guy I didn't draft to fit a specific role on my team was Brandan Wright, and that's because I felt like gambling with the 9th slot on my roster.  Other than that, it's a team that's put together mindful of all the criticisms you and others are making.

If Michael Beasley was on my team, please, criticize me.  If I drafted Ron Artest, or Josh Howard, or Zach Randolph, please, aim your "talent over role players" gun at me.  But people who criticize Rudy Gay for being selfish don't know what they're talking about.  People who thinks Al Horford wants to be "the man" are sadly misinformed.  That applies to every play on my roster, with the *possible* exception of Amare (who will, indeed, be "the man" on my team, so I don't see a problem).

Again, I love the "you have too much talent" argument.  Didn't people say that about the Celtics this year?  Heck, didn't they say that about the Lakers and Celtics in the 1980s?  Those teams worked out okay, and so will mine.

see but im not. igoudala is a mediocre shooter from the perimeter AT BEST. his eFG% on jumpers last year was under 42%. thats terrible. not to mention gay and ai didnt defer to ANYBODY last year. they were the top scorers on their teams. they took the most shots. gay actually put up his best numbers from the 4 spot. i didnt say they all wanted to be the man but im sorry i dont buy gay or igoudala are gonna veteran enough to understand the kind of sacrifices that it took kg, paul and ray a career to understand. and in the halfcourt teams on defense are gonna take shooters advice and "pack it in...force em to chuck it from the cheap seats".

dont get me wrong. its an excellent collection of talent without doubt. if i wanted to go 82-0 on nba live id probably put together a group like that too.
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Re: 2008 CelticsBlog draft board.
« Reply #1664 on: August 12, 2008, 06:10:27 PM »

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Iggy:  32.9% 3PT%
Gay: 34.6% 3PT%
Blake: 40.6% 3PT%
Webster: 38.8% 3PT%

I'm not sure why you keep insist on saying that my team doesn't have any guys who can hit from outside, but that's simply ridiculous.  Also, as far as big men go, Amare / Horford can both hit from outside, although neither has three point range.  T.J. Ford is a good shooter from within the circle.

Look:  I put together of guys with elite talent who have all demonstrated in the past that they can accept their roles.  The players all fit well together in terms of inside-outside, offense-defense.  For you to criticize it, *repeatedly*, just seems odd to me, especially in terms of how the Bucks presently find themselves situated (i.e., one of the three worst teams in the NBA, without a terribly bright future.)

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