Manny says he won't block any trade

[Rondo2287]

There is nothing stopping them from hanging on to him, letting him tear it up in the postseason again, and then picking up the option and trading him while his value is high.  Course that is assuming we get to the postseason. 

I think there is no way that we can get equal value, but it may be worth it just to get him off the team and get somebody we know whats to be there and we dont have to question their effort.

[nickagneta]

I just heard audio of Manny calling out Red Sox management to trade him. He said enough was enough that they were sick of him and that he was sick of them. Went on to say that the Sox should just send him a letter saying they won't pick up his option and he will go his way and they will go their's. When asked if he thought the Sox would trade him he said that they would never pull the trigger because they know what they have in him.

He sounded really aggravated throughout. He threw down the gauntlet now it's up to the Red Sox brass to see if they hgave the balls to trade him.

[crownsy]

I just heard audio of Manny calling out Red Sox management to trade him. He said enough was enough that they were sick of him and that he was sick of them. Went on to say that the Sox should just send him a letter saying they won't pick up his option and he will go his way and they will go their's. When asked if he thought the Sox would trade him he said that they would never pull the trigger because they know what they have in him.

He sounded really aggravated throughout. He threw down the gauntlet now it's up to the Red Sox brass to see if they hgave the balls to trade him.

i look at it another way, why the hell should we trade him just so him and boras can get out of his option?

make no mistake, thats what they both want. you don't hire boras, and he doesn't accept, if your just going to have the team pick up your option. that money doesnt go to boras. scott wants him out of the option so he can get him a new 4 year deal somewhere.

manny wants to be traded so he can get to a team who wont pick up his option, why indulge his spoiled brat whims?

[Evantime34]

We're gonna miss him if we trade him away or if he walks at the end of this year. We will miss him less if we can get someone for him. Our farm system is deep at about every position especially starters. We however do not have that many power hitters in the system besides Kalish and Anderson. We need some young prospects with Pop to help replace Manny.

[crownsy]

We're gonna miss him if we trade him away or if he walks at the end of this year. We will miss him less if we can get someone for him. Our farm system is deep at about every position especially starters. We however do not have that many power hitters in the system besides Kalish and Anderson. We need some young prospects with Pop to help replace Manny.

we get more if we let him walk. no one is going to give us good value if we cave, they know he wants out and the sox want him out.

if you hold onto him, you have many more options. for instance

1. pick up both options and trade him to a NL contender after the year.

2. Let him walk, getting 3 sandwich picks.

3. pick his option up a year at a time till someone you want becomes avalable.

if you cave and trade him for penuats, which is what he wants to get out of his option (no small market team we trade him to will pick it up) then you get one marginal guy and no sandwich picks. pass on caving to his agents wishes.

[Chris]

We're gonna miss him if we trade him away or if he walks at the end of this year. We will miss him less if we can get someone for him. Our farm system is deep at about every position especially starters. We however do not have that many power hitters in the system besides Kalish and Anderson. We need some young prospects with Pop to help replace Manny.

we get more if we let him walk. no one is going to give us good value if we cave, they know he wants out and the sox want him out.

if you hold onto him, you have many more options. for instance

1. pick up both options and trade him to a NL contender after the year.

2. Let him walk, getting 3 sandwich picks.

3. pick his option up a year at a time till someone you want becomes avalable.

if you cave and trade him for penuats, which is what he wants to get out of his option (no small market team we trade him to will pick it up) then you get one marginal guy and no sandwich picks. pass on caving to his agents wishes.

We don't know what we can get for him.  That's the thing.  Seriously, look at the trade market, is there anyone even close to him out there?  You think there is not a possibility of a bidding war being started by some teams in a heated penant race? 

He is still a very good player, and any team that trades for him would hold the options that the sox have, which are very valuable.

You may be right...but I think you need to see what is out there.

[crownsy]

We're gonna miss him if we trade him away or if he walks at the end of this year. We will miss him less if we can get someone for him. Our farm system is deep at about every position especially starters. We however do not have that many power hitters in the system besides Kalish and Anderson. We need some young prospects with Pop to help replace Manny.

we get more if we let him walk. no one is going to give us good value if we cave, they know he wants out and the sox want him out.

if you hold onto him, you have many more options. for instance

1. pick up both options and trade him to a NL contender after the year.

2. Let him walk, getting 3 sandwich picks.

3. pick his option up a year at a time till someone you want becomes avalable.

if you cave and trade him for penuats, which is what he wants to get out of his option (no small market team we trade him to will pick it up) then you get one marginal guy and no sandwich picks. pass on caving to his agents wishes.

We don't know what we can get for him.  That's the thing.  Seriously, look at the trade market, is there anyone even close to him out there?  You think there is not a possibility of a bidding war being started by some teams in a heated penant race? 

He is still a very good player, and any team that trades for him would hold the options that the sox have, which are very valuable.

You may be right...but I think you need to see what is out there.

no, i don't. when's the last time a team holding a superstar who has made it known he's unhappy got anything close to his value in a mid season trade? and now throw in that its for 2 whole months.

they'll be a bidding war, and the second tier prospects will be flying, but no one is going to give up top talent to rent manny for 2 months. it just doesn't work that way.

Its one thing if we were trading him and 2 more years, were trading 2 months. teams know that, and thier not going to give up top level prospects for 2 months of manny.

[Nerf DPOY]

We're gonna miss him if we trade him away or if he walks at the end of this year. We will miss him less if we can get someone for him. Our farm system is deep at about every position especially starters. We however do not have that many power hitters in the system besides Kalish and Anderson. We need some young prospects with Pop to help replace Manny.

we get more if we let him walk. no one is going to give us good value if we cave, they know he wants out and the sox want him out.

if you hold onto him, you have many more options. for instance

1. pick up both options and trade him to a NL contender after the year.

2. Let him walk, getting 3 sandwich picks.

3. pick his option up a year at a time till someone you want becomes avalable.

if you cave and trade him for penuats, which is what he wants to get out of his option (no small market team we trade him to will pick it up) then you get one marginal guy and no sandwich picks. pass on caving to his agents wishes.

We don't know what we can get for him.  That's the thing.  Seriously, look at the trade market, is there anyone even close to him out there?  You think there is not a possibility of a bidding war being started by some teams in a heated penant race? 

He is still a very good player, and any team that trades for him would hold the options that the sox have, which are very valuable.

You may be right...but I think you need to see what is out there.

In addition to not knowing what's out there, we might be surprised at what Theo & company would be in the market for. One might think a quality LF or C prospect, but anything's possible. This is a regime that has disassembled a reigning WS team and refused to make panic trades to save the '06 season( with the exception of Bard and Meridith for Dougie). They usually go out of their way to make the most favorable long term move.

[crownsy]

We're gonna miss him if we trade him away or if he walks at the end of this year. We will miss him less if we can get someone for him. Our farm system is deep at about every position especially starters. We however do not have that many power hitters in the system besides Kalish and Anderson. We need some young prospects with Pop to help replace Manny.

we get more if we let him walk. no one is going to give us good value if we cave, they know he wants out and the sox want him out.

if you hold onto him, you have many more options. for instance

1. pick up both options and trade him to a NL contender after the year.

2. Let him walk, getting 3 sandwich picks.

3. pick his option up a year at a time till someone you want becomes avalable.

if you cave and trade him for penuats, which is what he wants to get out of his option (no small market team we trade him to will pick it up) then you get one marginal guy and no sandwich picks. pass on caving to his agents wishes.

We don't know what we can get for him.  That's the thing.  Seriously, look at the trade market, is there anyone even close to him out there?  You think there is not a possibility of a bidding war being started by some teams in a heated penant race? 

He is still a very good player, and any team that trades for him would hold the options that the sox have, which are very valuable.

You may be right...but I think you need to see what is out there.

In addition to not knowing what's out there, we might be surprised at what Theo @ company would be in the market for. One might think a quality LF or C prospect, but anything's possible. This is a regime that has disassembled a reigning WS team and refused to make panic trades to save the '06 season( with the exception of Bard and Meridith for Dougie). They usually go out of their way to make the most favorable long term move.

but why would a non-contending team, who is where those prospects come from, trade us for 2 months of manny?

look, if theo pulls off a trade for 1/10th of manny's value, it will be the first one accomplished at the trade deadline in 20 years. he'll be a genious.

The market for superstar players unhappy with thier contracts who have 2 months left is 2nd tier prospects or middle realivers, which are no worth it for manny's bat.

unless your going to admit were sellers this year, we need a bat back plus prospects. I'll stake all my TP's no team will trade us a power outfield bat + prospects. it won't happen.

[MBz]

You're right, we won't get good value for him and that's why we can't trade him.  The Red Sox still have a chance to win the world series this year, but the only way they have that chance is if Manny is in a Sox uniform on August 1st.

[Chris]

We're gonna miss him if we trade him away or if he walks at the end of this year. We will miss him less if we can get someone for him. Our farm system is deep at about every position especially starters. We however do not have that many power hitters in the system besides Kalish and Anderson. We need some young prospects with Pop to help replace Manny.

we get more if we let him walk. no one is going to give us good value if we cave, they know he wants out and the sox want him out.

if you hold onto him, you have many more options. for instance

1. pick up both options and trade him to a NL contender after the year.

2. Let him walk, getting 3 sandwich picks.

3. pick his option up a year at a time till someone you want becomes avalable.

if you cave and trade him for penuats, which is what he wants to get out of his option (no small market team we trade him to will pick it up) then you get one marginal guy and no sandwich picks. pass on caving to his agents wishes.

We don't know what we can get for him.  That's the thing.  Seriously, look at the trade market, is there anyone even close to him out there?  You think there is not a possibility of a bidding war being started by some teams in a heated penant race? 

He is still a very good player, and any team that trades for him would hold the options that the sox have, which are very valuable.

You may be right...but I think you need to see what is out there.

no, i don't. when's the last time a team holding a superstar who has made it known he's unhappy got anything close to his value in a mid season trade? and now throw in that its for 2 whole months.

they'll be a bidding war, and the second tier prospects will be flying, but no one is going to give up top talent to rent manny for 2 months. it just doesn't work that way.

Its one thing if we were trading him and 2 more years, were trading 2 months. teams know that, and thier not going to give up top level prospects for 2 months of manny.

Umm, its not a rent for 2 months.  It is a 2 month rental, with 2 years of options at relatively close to market value.  I agree that as a two month rental, they won't get much for him, but because of the options, his value is MUCH higher.

Also, the sox are in a position of strength, because they don't need to trade him.  They would be very happy to play out the year with him, and take the draft picks...but if someone valued him enough to make a good offer, then they will listen.

but why would a non-contending team, who is where those prospects come from, trade us for 2 months of manny?

What are you talking about?  Contending teams have just as many prospects as non-contending teams.  This is how it works in baseball, contending teams use prospects to trade for major league players.

I don't think the C's are going to get a big outfield bat for Manny...but they don't need to.  If they are able to solidify other positions (bullpen, shortstop, etc.), and get some prospects, they would be happy. 

The thinking cannot be to replace Manny.  Its not going to happen.  Its not going to happen next year, or the year after.  But what they can do is use his money, and the value you can get for him to solidify other holes, and make the team stronger overall.

[Nerf DPOY]

In addition to not knowing what's out there, we might be surprised at what Theo @ company would be in the market for. One might think a quality LF or C prospect, but anything's possible. This is a regime that has disassembled a reigning WS team and refused to make panic trades to save the '06 season( with the exception of Bard and Meridith for Dougie). They usually go out of their way to make the most favorable long term move.

but why would a non-contending team, who is where those prospects come from, trade us for 2 months of manny?

look, if theo pulls off a trade for 1/10th of manny's value, it will be the first one accomplished at the trade deadline in 20 years. he'll be a genious.

The market for superstar players unhappy with thier contracts who have 2 months left is 2nd tier prospects or middle realivers, which are no worth it for manny's bat.

unless your going to admit were sellers this year, we need a bat back plus prospects. I'll stake all my TP's no team will trade us a power outfield bat + prospects. it won't happen.

There are contenders out there with prospects. Milwaukee just traded Matt Laporta ( who I honestly had never heard of prior to a few weeks ago) for a Sabbathia rental. I'm not saying we could get that much of a return for Manny, but I don't know just how desperate some of these teams are. Maybe they'd rationalize giving up a stud prospect for a rental + two comp picks once he bolts. Or, they could pick up the options should they choose.

I'm also operating on the hypothetical scenario that the 'Sox have the guts to stick Moss out in LF in the middle of a pennant drive.

[Vermont Green]

There are a lot of avid Manny fans on this site who are going to be really bummed because I think there is a very high likelyhood that Manny is going to be traded.  I think the Sox will offer to pay much of his remaining salary and that will help get more back.  Every team is going to be a little gunshy and should be but in the end, some one will take the dive.

I for one am not unhappy if he is traded.  I understand what he contributes but baseball a isn't fantasy league.  Teams sometimes play much better just because they change the manager.  That whole chemistry thing is real (to a point) and right now, Manny is serious negative chemistry for this team.  That means that you could bring in a player who hit less homers, play the game the right way, and the Sox could (and probably will) end up being a better team without Manny.  It is a risk of course, Manny could go off on a tear for a new team and the Sox could crash and burn.  I believe though that the Sox win more games without Manny (which is a statement that can never be proved or disproved, I know)

[crownsy]

In addition to not knowing what's out there, we might be surprised at what Theo @ company would be in the market for. One might think a quality LF or C prospect, but anything's possible. This is a regime that has disassembled a reigning WS team and refused to make panic trades to save the '06 season( with the exception of Bard and Meridith for Dougie). They usually go out of their way to make the most favorable long term move.

but why would a non-contending team, who is where those prospects come from, trade us for 2 months of manny?

look, if theo pulls off a trade for 1/10th of manny's value, it will be the first one accomplished at the trade deadline in 20 years. he'll be a genious.

The market for superstar players unhappy with thier contracts who have 2 months left is 2nd tier prospects or middle realivers, which are no worth it for manny's bat.

unless your going to admit were sellers this year, we need a bat back plus prospects. I'll stake all my TP's no team will trade us a power outfield bat + prospects. it won't happen.

There are contenders out there with prospects. Milwaukee just traded Matt Laporta ( who I honestly had never heard of prior to a few weeks ago) for a Sabbathia rental. I'm not saying we could get that much of a return for Manny, but I don't know just how desperate some of these teams are. Maybe they'd rationalize giving up a stud prospect for a rental + two comp picks once he bolts. Or, they could pick up the options should they choose.

I'm also operating on the hypothetical scenario that the 'Sox have the guts to stick Moss out in LF in the middle of a pennant drive.

but why get one prospect when if you hold him and let him walk you get 3 1st round draft picks? 3 prospects > 1 in my book.

[Nerf DPOY]

In addition to not knowing what's out there, we might be surprised at what Theo @ company would be in the market for. One might think a quality LF or C prospect, but anything's possible. This is a regime that has disassembled a reigning WS team and refused to make panic trades to save the '06 season( with the exception of Bard and Meridith for Dougie). They usually go out of their way to make the most favorable long term move.

but why would a non-contending team, who is where those prospects come from, trade us for 2 months of manny?

look, if theo pulls off a trade for 1/10th of manny's value, it will be the first one accomplished at the trade deadline in 20 years. he'll be a genious.

The market for superstar players unhappy with thier contracts who have 2 months left is 2nd tier prospects or middle realivers, which are no worth it for manny's bat.

unless your going to admit were sellers this year, we need a bat back plus prospects. I'll stake all my TP's no team will trade us a power outfield bat + prospects. it won't happen.

There are contenders out there with prospects. Milwaukee just traded Matt Laporta ( who I honestly had never heard of prior to a few weeks ago) for a Sabbathia rental. I'm not saying we could get that much of a return for Manny, but I don't know just how desperate some of these teams are. Maybe they'd rationalize giving up a stud prospect for a rental + two comp picks once he bolts. Or, they could pick up the options should they choose.

I'm also operating on the hypothetical scenario that the 'Sox have the guts to stick Moss out in LF in the middle of a pennant drive.

but why get one prospect when if you hold him and let him walk you get 3 1st round draft picks? 3 prospects > 1 in my book.

I'm pretty sure you only get a 1st round pick and a sandwich pick. Also, the BBall draft is somewhat of a crapshoot. First round picks flame out all of the time before even reaching AAA.