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http://realgm.com/src_wiretap_archives/53762/20080727/boston_still_interested_in_darius_miles/

Honestly, why not take a flier on this guy?

Walker will probably play overseas next year.

Giddens isn't going to be contributing regularly for the next 2 years.

Miles is a guy who's proven he can play NBA defense individually. On a team like the Celtics which prides itself in its defensive prowess, I think he would be an asset. Furthrmore, if reports are accurate about his having re-gained a good deal of his athleticism, I say bring him aboard.

Potentially, the Celtics would still have a roster spot open even with Miles aboard for a veteran big man.

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« Reply #1 on: July 27, 2008, 04:49:35 PM »

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Miles is damaged goods. Coming off a major surgury and last report was way out of shape.

The only thing Miles had going was his he was a amazing athlete and now thats gone.

No need for a shooting guard that can't shoot.

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« Reply #2 on: July 27, 2008, 04:54:43 PM »

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http://realgm.com/src_wiretap_archives/53762/20080727/boston_still_interested_in_darius_miles/

Honestly, why not take a flier on this guy?

Walker will probably play overseas next year.

Giddens isn't going to be contributing regularly for the next 2 years.

Miles is a guy who's proven he can play NBA defense individually. On a team like the Celtics which prides itself in its defensive prowess, I think he would be an asset. Furthrmore, if reports are accurate about his having re-gained a good deal of his athleticism, I say bring him aboard.

Potentially, the Celtics would still have a roster spot open even with Miles aboard for a veteran big man.
The man has to sit for the first 10 games you have him because he was caught taking a dieretic because he can't keep his weight down to perform well.

Add that to the fact that he hasn't played ball in 2 years and that doctors have already proclaimed his injury career endng, and what you have is a basketball player with a fork sticking out of him. He's well done.

I would rather Doc be given the kids to teach and attempt to produce than a reclammation project that makes Scot Pollard look healthy.

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« Reply #3 on: July 27, 2008, 04:56:22 PM »

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http://realgm.com/src_wiretap_archives/53762/20080727/boston_still_interested_in_darius_miles/

Honestly, why not take a flier on this guy?

Walker will probably play overseas next year.

Giddens isn't going to be contributing regularly for the next 2 years.

Miles is a guy who's proven he can play NBA defense individually. On a team like the Celtics which prides itself in its defensive prowess, I think he would be an asset. Furthrmore, if reports are accurate about his having re-gained a good deal of his athleticism, I say bring him aboard.

Potentially, the Celtics would still have a roster spot open even with Miles aboard for a veteran big man.

Why would Walker play overseas?  What source says he "probably" will?
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« Reply #4 on: July 27, 2008, 05:05:03 PM »

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take a chance on the guy, its the vet min.

they dont like him, cut him,
there is an upside with him, but no down side

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« Reply #5 on: July 27, 2008, 05:06:40 PM »

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Miles is damaged goods. Coming off a major surgury and last report was way out of shape.

The only thing Miles had going was his he was a amazing athlete and now thats gone.

No need for a shooting guard that can't shoot.
http://realgm.com/src_wiretap_archives/53762/20080727/boston_still_interested_in_darius_miles/

Honestly, why not take a flier on this guy?

Walker will probably play overseas next year.

Giddens isn't going to be contributing regularly for the next 2 years.

Miles is a guy who's proven he can play NBA defense individually. On a team like the Celtics which prides itself in its defensive prowess, I think he would be an asset. Furthrmore, if reports are accurate about his having re-gained a good deal of his athleticism, I say bring him aboard.

Potentially, the Celtics would still have a roster spot open even with Miles aboard for a veteran big man.
The man has to sit for the first 10 games you have him because he was caught taking a dieretic because he can't keep his weight down to perform well.

Add that to the fact that he hasn't played ball in 2 years and that doctors have already proclaimed his injury career endng, and what you have is a basketball player with a fork sticking out of him. He's well done.

I would rather Doc be given the kids to teach and attempt to produce than a reclammation project that makes Scot Pollard look healthy.

First of all, Miles is not a shooting guard. Secondly, when was it that he was way out of shape? When was it that he was caught taking some substance to help with his diet? Just because reports have surfaced recently it doesn't mean that these things were recent, so I'm wondering...

We're aware that we are months away from the start of the season right?

Anyways, Danny and the rest are not going into this blindly. They're well informed of the situation. They have worked him out personally. They're getting first hand reports from primary sources. If the Celtics decide that Miles is the way to go, I trust that it'll be after studying, researching, and examining the situation carefully. If that's not the case, then it'll be quite foolish and dumb, but otherwise we just can't tell or know from where we stand. We don't have enough information or knowledge to draw good conclusions on the matter... not until we at the least see him play ourselves.
« Last Edit: July 27, 2008, 05:18:59 PM by BudweiserCeltic »

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http://realgm.com/src_wiretap_archives/53762/20080727/boston_still_interested_in_darius_miles/

Honestly, why not take a flier on this guy?

Walker will probably play overseas next year.

Giddens isn't going to be contributing regularly for the next 2 years.

Miles is a guy who's proven he can play NBA defense individually. On a team like the Celtics which prides itself in its defensive prowess, I think he would be an asset. Furthrmore, if reports are accurate about his having re-gained a good deal of his athleticism, I say bring him aboard.

Potentially, the Celtics would still have a roster spot open even with Miles aboard for a veteran big man.

Why would Walker play overseas?  What source says he "probably" will?


Came up in early July.


http://www.celticsblog.com/index.php?option=com_smf&Itemid=64&topic=20767.0




Makes sense to me.  The Celtics have no 1st rounder next year.  A healthy Walker with another year of experience will be like a 1st round rookie next year. 

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« Reply #7 on: July 27, 2008, 05:18:09 PM »

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Anyways, Danny and the rest are not going into this blindly. They're well informed of the situation. They have worked him out personally. They're getting first hand reports from primary sources.


Just like with Pollard and Lafrentz.

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« Reply #8 on: July 27, 2008, 05:20:05 PM »

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Anyways, Danny and the rest are not going into this blindly. They're well informed of the situation. They have worked him out personally. They're getting first hand reports from primary sources.


Just like with Pollard and Lafrentz.

Did signing Pollard prevent the Celtics from getting more help during the season? No, so the point is moot.

I felt it was a good signing at the time. Still feel it was one, and I wouldn't mind if he did it yet again depending on how the roster unfolds.

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« Reply #9 on: July 27, 2008, 05:22:59 PM »

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Miles is damaged goods. Coming off a major surgury and last report was way out of shape.

The only thing Miles had going was his he was a amazing athlete and now thats gone.

No need for a shooting guard that can't shoot.
http://realgm.com/src_wiretap_archives/53762/20080727/boston_still_interested_in_darius_miles/

Honestly, why not take a flier on this guy?

Walker will probably play overseas next year.

Giddens isn't going to be contributing regularly for the next 2 years.

Miles is a guy who's proven he can play NBA defense individually. On a team like the Celtics which prides itself in its defensive prowess, I think he would be an asset. Furthrmore, if reports are accurate about his having re-gained a good deal of his athleticism, I say bring him aboard.

Potentially, the Celtics would still have a roster spot open even with Miles aboard for a veteran big man.
The man has to sit for the first 10 games you have him because he was caught taking a dieretic because he can't keep his weight down to perform well.

Add that to the fact that he hasn't played ball in 2 years and that doctors have already proclaimed his injury career endng, and what you have is a basketball player with a fork sticking out of him. He's well done.

I would rather Doc be given the kids to teach and attempt to produce than a reclammation project that makes Scot Pollard look healthy.

First of all, Miles is not a shooting guard. Secondly, when was it that he was way out of shape? When was it that he was caught taking some substance to help with his diet? Just because reports have surfaced recently it doesn't mean that these things were recent, so I'm wondering...

We're aware that we are months away from the start of the season right?

Anyways, Danny and the rest are not going into this blindly. They're well informed of the situation. They have worked him out personally. They're getting first hand reports from primary sources. If the Celtics decide that Miles is the way to go, I trust that it'll be after studying, researching, and examining the situation carefully. If that's not the case, then it'll be quite foolish and dumb, but otherwise we just can't tell or know from where we stand. We don't have enough information or knowledge to draw good conclusions on the matter... not until we at the least see him play ourselves.
http://www.portlandtribune.com/sports/story.php?story_id=121657118543105800

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Now, though, ESPN.com writer Marc Stein is reporting that all 30 NBA teams were notified last week by the league that the drug Darius Miles tested positive for was a weight-loss drug, ****. It's not an amphetamine but is apparently related to them with many of the same properties.

It was the same banned substance that landed Lindsay Hunter a 10-game suspension last March. "I'm as shocked as anyone," Hunter said at the time. "It was a diet pill — we've all taken stuff and nothing ever happens."

Obviously, that's not a big deal to NBA teams — Miles was reportedly overweight from his long period of time without physical activity and in a rush to lose poundage to get back into playing shape.


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« Reply #10 on: July 27, 2008, 05:24:44 PM »

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My guess and expectation on Miles is that he'll follow a similar path as Dajuan Wagner. He'll look impressive during individual workouts but his body will start to break down as the workouts come more often and with a rising intensity level. Leaving less time for his body to rest and having a derailing cumulative effect.

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« Reply #11 on: July 27, 2008, 05:27:11 PM »

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Did signing Pollard prevent the Celtics from getting more help during the season? No, so the point is moot.

I felt it was a good signing at the time. Still feel it was one, and I wouldn't mind if he did it yet again depending on how the roster unfolds.


What do their respective contract situations have to do anything? The point was made that Miles is coming off what was classified as a career ending injury and that he would be damaged goods if he signed here. Similar points, on a lesser scale, were made about Pollard and Lafrentz. Both ended up injured and unproductive, even with the due diligence that you suggested Ainge goes through.

On another note, how in the world can you claim that Pollard was a good signing in hindsight?

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What is the harm in bringing him in at the vet min. Doing that you are only counting on him as an end of the bench guy. If he gives you more great, if not o well he's the 12th man. Or if he becomes a problem we can cut him.
Bottom line is he's low risk high reward, why not?
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« Reply #13 on: July 27, 2008, 05:32:02 PM »

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Miles is damaged goods. Coming off a major surgury and last report was way out of shape.

The only thing Miles had going was his he was a amazing athlete and now thats gone.

No need for a shooting guard that can't shoot.
http://realgm.com/src_wiretap_archives/53762/20080727/boston_still_interested_in_darius_miles/

Honestly, why not take a flier on this guy?

Walker will probably play overseas next year.

Giddens isn't going to be contributing regularly for the next 2 years.

Miles is a guy who's proven he can play NBA defense individually. On a team like the Celtics which prides itself in its defensive prowess, I think he would be an asset. Furthrmore, if reports are accurate about his having re-gained a good deal of his athleticism, I say bring him aboard.

Potentially, the Celtics would still have a roster spot open even with Miles aboard for a veteran big man.
The man has to sit for the first 10 games you have him because he was caught taking a dieretic because he can't keep his weight down to perform well.

Add that to the fact that he hasn't played ball in 2 years and that doctors have already proclaimed his injury career endng, and what you have is a basketball player with a fork sticking out of him. He's well done.

I would rather Doc be given the kids to teach and attempt to produce than a reclammation project that makes Scot Pollard look healthy.

First of all, Miles is not a shooting guard. Secondly, when was it that he was way out of shape? When was it that he was caught taking some substance to help with his diet? Just because reports have surfaced recently it doesn't mean that these things were recent, so I'm wondering...

We're aware that we are months away from the start of the season right?

Anyways, Danny and the rest are not going into this blindly. They're well informed of the situation. They have worked him out personally. They're getting first hand reports from primary sources. If the Celtics decide that Miles is the way to go, I trust that it'll be after studying, researching, and examining the situation carefully. If that's not the case, then it'll be quite foolish and dumb, but otherwise we just can't tell or know from where we stand. We don't have enough information or knowledge to draw good conclusions on the matter... not until we at the least see him play ourselves.
http://www.portlandtribune.com/sports/story.php?story_id=121657118543105800

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Now, though, ESPN.com writer Marc Stein is reporting that all 30 NBA teams were notified last week by the league that the drug Darius Miles tested positive for was a weight-loss drug, ****. It's not an amphetamine but is apparently related to them with many of the same properties.

It was the same banned substance that landed Lindsay Hunter a 10-game suspension last March. "I'm as shocked as anyone," Hunter said at the time. "It was a diet pill — we've all taken stuff and nothing ever happens."

Obviously, that's not a big deal to NBA teams — Miles was reportedly overweight from his long period of time without physical activity and in a rush to lose poundage to get back into playing shape.

That doesn't answer my question though. It doesn't answer the WHEN he was out of shape. It doesn't explain WHEN he was caught using the substance. And for someone who apparently is doing all he can to get in shape, a month or so can do wonders... one can lose easily 8-10 pounds in 4 weeks or so, so this "recent" business is highly questionable.

What do their respective contract situations have to do anything? The point was made that Miles is coming off what was classified as a career ending injury and that he would be damaged goods if he signed here. Similar points, on a lesser scale, were made about Pollard and Lafrentz. Both ended up injured and unproductive, even with the due diligence that you suggested Ainge goes through.

On another note, how in the world can you claim that Pollard was a good signing in hindsight?

Because I don't play the "in hindsight" game. I play the "you use the information you have currently" and "under the current circumstances" game. It wasn't a bad signing.

Anyways, the circumstances are different. Was Pollard worked out? And I'm pretty sure that the injury that kept him from playing more was an unrelated one to the one that there was concern for coming to the season. We had plenty of roster sposts open. We used the vet. min. How is that a bad signing? What was the other option? Esteban Batista? Lol. Did it hurt the team? Did it prevent the team from improving itself through the season? No. It wasn't a bad decision.

 Miles has been worked out, so already there has been more due dilligence. As I said in my post IF Danny is doing his research, and he decides Miles is the way to go, who am I to question him when I have ZERO knowledge of Miles current situation; none of us do. If he decides to go with Miles without proper information, then it'll be completely foolish.
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What is the harm in bringing him in at the vet min. Doing that you are only counting on him as an end of the bench guy. If he gives you more great, if not o well he's the 12th man. Or if he becomes a problem we can cut him.
Bottom line is he's low risk high reward, why not?
Don't we already have a bunch of low risk high reward players on the roster already? Wouldn't it be prudent to use that last roster spot on a proven player that can be relied upon to produce something, whether it be defense, scoring, rebounding, ball handling, or just an all around veteran game that solidifies the bench.