O'Bryant hate

[Evantime34]

Work ethic is exactly the concern with this guy, because he had none in college and it translated to games where he sleepwalked through at that level - the Missouri Valley Conference, a mid-major - as well.

It is daunting when a work ethic problem translates from college - where this guy was dominated by ordinary players - into the pro game.

Bottom line: He was never a lottery pick in the first place.

I surely hope his problem is work-ethic and/or lack of good coaching. Otherwise, he's just not talented enough to make it.

He's nowhere near a "defensive presence", unless shot-blocking from the weakside is relevant. Quite the opposite, every time I saw him on the floor he was a defensive liability: his footwork in the post is atrocious, he seemed clueless on how to gain position, he lacks court-awareness, strength and agressiveness. And this is not hating, by any means. Just my opinion on his current game.

A lot of people on this board seem like they know a lot about POB. I am curious how much they have actually watched him, because i haven't watched him much and I watch a decent amount of basketball.

[cordobes]

Work ethic is exactly the concern with this guy, because he had none in college and it translated to games where he sleepwalked through at that level - the Missouri Valley Conference, a mid-major - as well.

It is daunting when a work ethic problem translates from college - where this guy was dominated by ordinary players - into the pro game.

Bottom line: He was never a lottery pick in the first place.

I surely hope his problem is work-ethic and/or lack of good coaching. Otherwise, he's just not talented enough to make it.

He's nowhere near a "defensive presence", unless shot-blocking from the weakside is relevant. Quite the opposite, every time I saw him on the floor he was a defensive liability: his footwork in the post is atrocious, he seemed clueless on how to gain position, he lacks court-awareness, strength and agressiveness. And this is not hating, by any means. Just my opinion on his current game.

A lot of people on this board seem like they know a lot about POB. I am curious how much they have actually watched him, because i haven't watched him much and I watch a decent amount of basketball.

I watched a lot of Warriors games in the past years (I used to write a blog on European players in the NBA and they had a few of them). But it doesn't really matter: POB is the kind of player you just have to watch for 15 minutes to make a proper assessment of his current strengths and weaknesses.

[Evantime34]

Work ethic is exactly the concern with this guy, because he had none in college and it translated to games where he sleepwalked through at that level - the Missouri Valley Conference, a mid-major - as well.

It is daunting when a work ethic problem translates from college - where this guy was dominated by ordinary players - into the pro game.

Bottom line: He was never a lottery pick in the first place.

I surely hope his problem is work-ethic and/or lack of good coaching. Otherwise, he's just not talented enough to make it.

He's nowhere near a "defensive presence", unless shot-blocking from the weakside is relevant. Quite the opposite, every time I saw him on the floor he was a defensive liability: his footwork in the post is atrocious, he seemed clueless on how to gain position, he lacks court-awareness, strength and agressiveness. And this is not hating, by any means. Just my opinion on his current game.

A lot of people on this board seem like they know a lot about POB. I am curious how much they have actually watched him, because i haven't watched him much and I watch a decent amount of basketball.

I watched a lot of Warriors games in the past years (I used to write a blog on European players in the NBA and they had a few of them). But it doesn't really matter: POB is the kind of player you just have to watch for 15 minutes to make a proper assessment of his current strengths and weaknesses.

The optimistic in me wants to say that you don't know what you're talking about. While in actuality you seem much more qualified to talk about POB than I do (and I don't know what I'm talking about). You are probably right but I hope you are wrong.

[cordobes]

Work ethic is exactly the concern with this guy, because he had none in college and it translated to games where he sleepwalked through at that level - the Missouri Valley Conference, a mid-major - as well.

It is daunting when a work ethic problem translates from college - where this guy was dominated by ordinary players - into the pro game.

Bottom line: He was never a lottery pick in the first place.

I surely hope his problem is work-ethic and/or lack of good coaching. Otherwise, he's just not talented enough to make it.

He's nowhere near a "defensive presence", unless shot-blocking from the weakside is relevant. Quite the opposite, every time I saw him on the floor he was a defensive liability: his footwork in the post is atrocious, he seemed clueless on how to gain position, he lacks court-awareness, strength and agressiveness. And this is not hating, by any means. Just my opinion on his current game.

A lot of people on this board seem like they know a lot about POB. I am curious how much they have actually watched him, because i haven't watched him much and I watch a decent amount of basketball.

I watched a lot of Warriors games in the past years (I used to write a blog on European players in the NBA and they had a few of them). But it doesn't really matter: POB is the kind of player you just have to watch for 15 minutes to make a proper assessment of his current strengths and weaknesses.

The optimistic in me wants to say that you don't know what you're talking about. While in actuality you seem much more qualified to talk about POB than I do (and I don't know what I'm talking about). You are probably right but I hope you are wrong.

The optimistic in you can concede that I know what I'm talking about. Players improve and develop. I'm not saying he won't. But, right now, there's a reason why he's a 7-footer lotto pick playing in a very small 1-year guaranteed contract: he's not that good. But there's no problem in believing he's going to be good in the near future. It's not impossible and, in fact, we wouldn't be fans believing otherwise.

[billysan]

Work ethic is exactly the concern with this guy, because he had none in college and it translated to games where he sleepwalked through at that level - the Missouri Valley Conference, a mid-major - as well.

It is daunting when a work ethic problem translates from college - where this guy was dominated by ordinary players - into the pro game.

Bottom line: He was never a lottery pick in the first place.

I surely hope his problem is work-ethic and/or lack of good coaching. Otherwise, he's just not talented enough to make it.

He's nowhere near a "defensive presence", unless shot-blocking from the weakside is relevant. Quite the opposite, every time I saw him on the floor he was a defensive liability: his footwork in the post is atrocious, he seemed clueless on how to gain position, he lacks court-awareness, strength and agressiveness. And this is not hating, by any means. Just my opinion on his current game.

A lot of people on this board seem like they know a lot about POB. I am curious how much they have actually watched him, because i haven't watched him much and I watch a decent amount of basketball.

I watched a lot of Warriors games in the past years (I used to write a blog on European players in the NBA and they had a few of them). But it doesn't really matter: POB is the kind of player you just have to watch for 15 minutes to make a proper assessment of his current strengths and weaknesses.

The optimistic in me wants to say that you don't know what you're talking about. While in actuality you seem much more qualified to talk about POB than I do (and I don't know what I'm talking about). You are probably right but I hope you are wrong.

The optimistic in you can concede that I know what I'm talking about. Players improve and develop. I'm not saying he won't. But, right now, there's a reason why he's a 7-footer lotto pick playing in a very small 1-year guaranteed contract: he's not that good. But there's no problem in believing he's going to be good in the near future. It's not impossible and, in fact, we wouldn't be fans believing otherwise.

Seeing that this is likely true, why did we sign him and not another Big Man for depth? Is it because he is cheap? Is it because he will be able to play more minutes than Scot Pollard and be more effective?

I dont dispute your word Cordobes, I just wonder what he gives us and why we signed him if he is such a low return investment. Is it just because he is a reasonably athletic 7 footer that Danny wants to give Clifford Ray a shot at developing?

[guava_wrench]

POB D league Stats
13.2 pts
9.7 rbs
3  blks
1.6 asts

Gabe Pruitt's
18.6 pts
2.8 rbs
2.2 stls
3.9 asts

Somehow POB is a failure and Gabe is the golden boy. I don't see it. Not Kareem like numbers; but not to shabby either. Throw in 80% FT shooting and  53% Fg. I would have prefered to see him get to the line more; but Perk will toughen him up.

Haha. TP.

So many people have posted that he didn't play well in D-league. Now I wonder what they were basing it on.

[kozlodoev]

POB D league Stats
13.2 pts
9.7 rbs
3  blks
1.6 asts

Gabe Pruitt's
18.6 pts
2.8 rbs
2.2 stls
3.9 asts

Somehow POB is a failure and Gabe is the golden boy. I don't see it. Not Kareem like numbers; but not to shabby either. Throw in 80% FT shooting and  53% Fg. I would have prefered to see him get to the line more; but Perk will toughen him up.

Haha. TP.

So many people have posted that he didn't play well in D-league. Now I wonder what they were basing it on.

13 points in DL is good? O'Bryant supposedly had offensive talent, or so they say.

Pruitt averaged close to 19, and nobody think's he's able to handle a backup function on our tema full-time. I don't remember anyone touting Pruitt as a golden boy. Actually, I've noticed this term exits only in the vocabulary of people who like to bash our players with little or no good actual reasoning behind it.

I like the signing, but basing assessment on DL stats is ridiculous. FWIW, the Warriors weren't happy that O'Bryant failed to dominate lesser players in the DL the way a player with his physical tools should. We'll see.

[clover]

I don't think anybody's questioned Pruitt's shot or offensive potential.  As he has reported, defense is a lot of what they've wanted him to work on in order to get into the C's rotation.

[crownsy]

Somehow POB is a failure and Gabe is the golden boy.

Who is calling Pruitt "the golden boy"? 

imaginary POB haters as far as i can tell.

[cmburrill]

 Come on now. This dude can not be worse then Pollard...and I like Pollard. In its proper context, I guess if you hated Pollard, you will hate Obie. I personally see a 10 minute guy that must be taught to use his 6 fouls to their fullest. Nothing wrong with the grab or raising your hand to take a foul from someone important. Btw Nellie is gone. That team(GS) still has huge holes. He needs to buy season tickets to the Celtics and come and do spot color like my friend from HC Cooz.

[cordobes]

Work ethic is exactly the concern with this guy, because he had none in college and it translated to games where he sleepwalked through at that level - the Missouri Valley Conference, a mid-major - as well.

It is daunting when a work ethic problem translates from college - where this guy was dominated by ordinary players - into the pro game.

Bottom line: He was never a lottery pick in the first place.

I surely hope his problem is work-ethic and/or lack of good coaching. Otherwise, he's just not talented enough to make it.

He's nowhere near a "defensive presence", unless shot-blocking from the weakside is relevant. Quite the opposite, every time I saw him on the floor he was a defensive liability: his footwork in the post is atrocious, he seemed clueless on how to gain position, he lacks court-awareness, strength and agressiveness. And this is not hating, by any means. Just my opinion on his current game.

A lot of people on this board seem like they know a lot about POB. I am curious how much they have actually watched him, because i haven't watched him much and I watch a decent amount of basketball.

I watched a lot of Warriors games in the past years (I used to write a blog on European players in the NBA and they had a few of them). But it doesn't really matter: POB is the kind of player you just have to watch for 15 minutes to make a proper assessment of his current strengths and weaknesses.

The optimistic in me wants to say that you don't know what you're talking about. While in actuality you seem much more qualified to talk about POB than I do (and I don't know what I'm talking about). You are probably right but I hope you are wrong.

The optimistic in you can concede that I know what I'm talking about. Players improve and develop. I'm not saying he won't. But, right now, there's a reason why he's a 7-footer lotto pick playing in a very small 1-year guaranteed contract: he's not that good. But there's no problem in believing he's going to be good in the near future. It's not impossible and, in fact, we wouldn't be fans believing otherwise.

Seeing that this is likely true, why did we sign him and not another Big Man for depth? Is it because he is cheap? Is it because he will be able to play more minutes than Scot Pollard and be more effective?

I dont dispute your word Cordobes, I just wonder what he gives us and why we signed him if he is such a low return investment. Is it just because he is a reasonably athletic 7 footer that Danny wants to give Clifford Ray a shot at developing?

Yeps, I see him basically as a 4th draft pick. Not even sure if he's better than Erden. I think this was pretty much consensual over these boards when he signed for the Celtics. Only in this thread people started talking about him like he was as good as, say, Kwame Brown and with more upside. He's not. CoachBo and others were right to reset the expectations to their proper level. If he ends this next season giving us as much as Kwame will give to the Pistons, it would be an astounding accomplishment. And he can surely contribute as least as much as an injury-plagued Pollard, but of course he's not half the player a healthy Pollard is.[/quote]

[gar]

Work ethic is exactly the concern with this guy, because he had none in college and it translated to games where he sleepwalked through at that level - the Missouri Valley Conference, a mid-major - as well.

It is daunting when a work ethic problem translates from college - where this guy was dominated by ordinary players - into the pro game.

Bottom line: He was never a lottery pick in the first place.

I surely hope his problem is work-ethic and/or lack of good coaching. Otherwise, he's just not talented enough to make it.

He's nowhere near a "defensive presence", unless shot-blocking from the weakside is relevant. Quite the opposite, every time I saw him on the floor he was a defensive liability: his footwork in the post is atrocious, he seemed clueless on how to gain position, he lacks court-awareness, strength and agressiveness. And this is not hating, by any means. Just my opinion on his current game.

A lot of people on this board seem like they know a lot about POB. I am curious how much they have actually watched him, because i haven't watched him much and I watch a decent amount of basketball.

I watched a lot of Warriors games in the past years (I used to write a blog on European players in the NBA and they had a few of them). But it doesn't really matter: POB is the kind of player you just have to watch for 15 minutes to make a proper assessment of his current strengths and weaknesses.

The optimistic in me wants to say that you don't know what you're talking about. While in actuality you seem much more qualified to talk about POB than I do (and I don't know what I'm talking about). You are probably right but I hope you are wrong.

The optimistic in you can concede that I know what I'm talking about. Players improve and develop. I'm not saying he won't. But, right now, there's a reason why he's a 7-footer lotto pick playing in a very small 1-year guaranteed contract: he's not that good. But there's no problem in believing he's going to be good in the near future. It's not impossible and, in fact, we wouldn't be fans believing otherwise.

Seeing that this is likely true, why did we sign him and not another Big Man for depth? Is it because he is cheap? Is it because he will be able to play more minutes than Scot Pollard and be more effective?

I dont dispute your word Cordobes, I just wonder what he gives us and why we signed him if he is such a low return investment. Is it just because he is a reasonably athletic 7 footer that Danny wants to give Clifford Ray a shot at developing?

Yeps, I see him basically as a 4th draft pick. Not even sure if he's better than Erden. I think this was pretty much consensual over these boards when he signed for the Celtics. Only in this thread people started talking about him like he was as good as, say, Kwame Brown and with more upside. He's not. CoachBo and others were right to reset the expectations to their proper level. If he ends this next season giving us as much as Kwame will give to the Pistons, it would be an astounding accomplishment. And he can surely contribute as least as much as an injury-plagued Pollard, but of course he's not half the player a healty Pollard is.

Not sure I understand. If Brown is so much better why did the Celtics not take him. They know what they are doing. Perk is not a natural shot blocker POB is. Danny and Doc love shot blockers. Pairing POB with Garnett is an impressive option. Two athletic 7 foot shot blockers. Come on. I'm not saying he is the second coming of Hakeem; but give the guy a chance.

[guava_wrench]

Not sure I understand. If Brown is so much better why did the Celtics not take him.

Look at Kwame's contract. There's you answer without the spin.

[cordobes]

Brown would eat almost the entire MLE. We wouldn't be able to sign House, for example, or any other decent player with the remaining MLE. Why am I not giving the guy a chance?

[Birdbrain]

Why would anyone believe Brown is better anyway?  I mean he's only been a complete bust every where's he's gone.

Just for clarification purposes anyone purporting to know how good Patrick O'Bryant is or will be with C's is well let's say talking out of their rear ends.  Also you might want to research all these great prognosticators views on the C's prior to the last season and how most of the same people didn't believe that Garnett made Boston the favorites to win it all.  And you see how that turned out.  So I wouldn't get too bent out of shape concerning the opinion of posters concerning POB.  Of course if they have a coach before there name well then you must take their opinion as gospel.