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Re: I see now what dannys plan was, lineup is set
« Reply #60 on: July 22, 2008, 12:22:55 PM »

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I have no idea why so many people are panicking. This is a strong roster. Leon and Big Baby are going to get better and are great back-ups.  I agree with Danny about TA being due for a breakout year. Eddie House is going to give us a LOT of offense off the bench.  AND there is the possibility that either Pruitt, Giddens or Walker will give us something we didn't expect to have.  AND oh yeah, Danny has enough cash to make one more quality move!@!!

Re: I see now what dannys plan was, lineup is set
« Reply #61 on: July 22, 2008, 12:25:00 PM »

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No offense but, Bo don't know the Celtics.

They lost a key reserve and that's it.  They are setup to win it all again.

You have no idea how any of the younger players will progress throughout the season so to make any proclamations about the bench seems a bit <insert a nice word>.

Is this going to be another long season of holding and consoling the hand of Red Sox Nation?  Count me out of that endeavor.  Good luck to those that can handle the job.
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Re: I see now what dannys plan was, lineup is set
« Reply #62 on: July 22, 2008, 12:25:55 PM »

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I have no idea why so many people are panicking. This is a strong roster. Leon and Big Baby are going to get better and are great back-ups.  I agree with Danny about TA being due for a breakout year. Eddie House is going to give us a LOT of offense off the bench.  AND there is the possibility that either Pruitt, Giddens or Walker will give us something we didn't expect to have.  AND oh yeah, Danny has enough cash to make one more quality move!@!!

Who is panicking?  



Saying that the Celtics are not done putting the roster together is panicking?  

Re: I see now what dannys plan was, lineup is set
« Reply #63 on: July 22, 2008, 12:39:05 PM »

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Who has a significantly better bench than us right now?

House/Pruitt
T. Allen/Giddens
Walker/Scal
Powe/Davis
O'Bryant

It's not the best bench in the league, but it's not terrible.

Terrible is a strong adjective. But I'm with CoachBo here, it's not a championship bench right now. From what we know now, it's basically last year's bench without its two best players. Any reasonable person would exchange this bench for at least 10 of the others benches from the league.

One can't just assume that everything good will happen. Doing that maybe delusional. O'Bryant will be a reliable backup? Long shot. Who knows for sure? Powe and BBDavis will improve? Perhaps. Rondo, Perks? Ditto. Pruitt will show he's a NBA player? I don't know. Is Tony Allen go back an entire season to his few months of good production? How can one be sure of that? Can the rookies play? I don't think one can depend on wishful thinking so much.

There are evident flaws. We need size in the wings - tall swingmen with good jump-shots can kill Tony Allen. We need size in the frontcourt. Who's going to guard 7ft jump-shooters like Gasol, Ilgauskas, Dirk, if we face them in the playofs? We need experience. What if the 4 rookies (Pruitt and O'Bryant are basically in their 1st year) bust? Or 3 of them? We don't have a clear 6th man. If Allen doesn't improve, his turnover rate can be a killer in a playoffs series. More spacing wouldn't hurt.

Perhaps everybody will improve, or at least enough guys, to make this bench, as it stands, good enough to compete in the playoffs. But I'm pretty sure Ainge isn't counting on that. This bench can be enough to the regular season, but unless everything good really happens, and most of the players improve a lot, is not good enough to the playoffs.

Re: I see now what dannys plan was, lineup is set
« Reply #64 on: July 22, 2008, 12:47:30 PM »

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Who has a significantly better bench than us right now?

House/Pruitt
T. Allen/Giddens
Walker/Scal
Powe/Davis
O'Bryant

It's not the best bench in the league, but it's not terrible.

Terrible is a strong adjective. But I'm with CoachBo here, it's not a championship bench right now. From what we know now, it's basically last year's bench without its two best players. Any reasonable person would exchange this bench for at least 10 of the others benches from the league.

One can't just assume that everything good will happen. Doing that maybe delusional. O'Bryant will be a reliable backup? Long shot. Who knows for sure? Powe and BBDavis will improve? Perhaps. Rondo, Perks? Ditto. Pruitt will show he's a NBA player? I don't know. Is Tony Allen go back an entire season to his few months of good production? How can one be sure of that? Can the rookies play? I don't think one can depend on wishful thinking so much.

There are evident flaws. We need size in the wings - tall swingmen with good jump-shots can kill Tony Allen. We need size in the frontcourt. Who's going to guard 7ft jump-shooters like Gasol, Ilgauskas, Dirk, if we face them in the playofs? We need experience. What if the 4 rookies (Pruitt and O'Bryant are basically in their 1st year) bust? Or 3 of them? We don't have a clear 6th man. If Allen doesn't improve, his turnover rate can be a killer in a playoffs series. More spacing wouldn't hurt.

Perhaps everybody will improve, or at least enough guys, to make this bench, as it stands, good enough to compete in the playoffs. But I'm pretty sure Ainge isn't counting on that. This bench can be enough to the regular season, but unless everything good really happens, and most of the players improve a lot, is not good enough to the playoffs.

It is an incomplete bench. 


Even Ainge said that on the radio today.  He is just going to wait till complete it.

Re: I see now what dannys plan was, lineup is set
« Reply #65 on: July 22, 2008, 12:50:15 PM »

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Who has a significantly better bench than us right now?

House/Pruitt
T. Allen/Giddens
Walker/Scal
Powe/Davis
O'Bryant

It's not the best bench in the league, but it's not terrible.

Terrible is a strong adjective. But I'm with CoachBo here, it's not a championship bench right now. From what we know now, it's basically last year's bench without its two best players. Any reasonable person would exchange this bench for at least 10 of the others benches from the league.

One can't just assume that everything good will happen. Doing that maybe delusional. O'Bryant will be a reliable backup? Long shot. Who knows for sure? Powe and BBDavis will improve? Perhaps. Rondo, Perks? Ditto. Pruitt will show he's a NBA player? I don't know. Is Tony Allen go back an entire season to his few months of good production? How can one be sure of that? Can the rookies play? I don't think one can depend on wishful thinking so much.

There are evident flaws. We need size in the wings - tall swingmen with good jump-shots can kill Tony Allen. We need size in the frontcourt. Who's going to guard 7ft jump-shooters like Gasol, Ilgauskas, Dirk, if we face them in the playofs? We need experience. What if the 4 rookies (Pruitt and O'Bryant are basically in their 1st year) bust? Or 3 of them? We don't have a clear 6th man. If Allen doesn't improve, his turnover rate can be a killer in a playoffs series. More spacing wouldn't hurt.

Perhaps everybody will improve, or at least enough guys, to make this bench, as it stands, good enough to compete in the playoffs. But I'm pretty sure Ainge isn't counting on that. This bench can be enough to the regular season, but unless everything good really happens, and most of the players improve a lot, is not good enough to the playoffs.

im having flashbacks to last year, pretty much how our bench was descirbed goign in hehe.

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Re: I see now what dannys plan was, lineup is set
« Reply #66 on: July 22, 2008, 12:58:19 PM »

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Who has a significantly better bench than us right now?

House/Pruitt
T. Allen/Giddens
Walker/Scal
Powe/Davis
O'Bryant

It's not the best bench in the league, but it's not terrible.

Terrible is a strong adjective. But I'm with CoachBo here, it's not a championship bench right now. From what we know now, it's basically last year's bench without its two best players. Any reasonable person would exchange this bench for at least 10 of the others benches from the league.

One can't just assume that everything good will happen. Doing that maybe delusional. O'Bryant will be a reliable backup? Long shot. Who knows for sure? Powe and BBDavis will improve? Perhaps. Rondo, Perks? Ditto. Pruitt will show he's a NBA player? I don't know. Is Tony Allen go back an entire season to his few months of good production? How can one be sure of that? Can the rookies play? I don't think one can depend on wishful thinking so much.

There are evident flaws. We need size in the wings - tall swingmen with good jump-shots can kill Tony Allen. We need size in the frontcourt. Who's going to guard 7ft jump-shooters like Gasol, Ilgauskas, Dirk, if we face them in the playofs? We need experience. What if the 4 rookies (Pruitt and O'Bryant are basically in their 1st year) bust? Or 3 of them? We don't have a clear 6th man. If Allen doesn't improve, his turnover rate can be a killer in a playoffs series. More spacing wouldn't hurt.

Perhaps everybody will improve, or at least enough guys, to make this bench, as it stands, good enough to compete in the playoffs. But I'm pretty sure Ainge isn't counting on that. This bench can be enough to the regular season, but unless everything good really happens, and most of the players improve a lot, is not good enough to the playoffs.

  I think we'll end up signing another big, which Ainge pretty much alluded to. But the fact that you have (possibly rightly) PJ rated as our second best bench player last year is an indication of how weak in general our bench was last year in the playoffs. And even if our bench is worse our starters should be better.

Re: I see now what dannys plan was, lineup is set
« Reply #67 on: July 22, 2008, 01:03:55 PM »

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Who has a significantly better bench than us right now?

House/Pruitt
T. Allen/Giddens
Walker/Scal
Powe/Davis
O'Bryant

It's not the best bench in the league, but it's not terrible.

Terrible is a strong adjective. But I'm with CoachBo here, it's not a championship bench right now. From what we know now, it's basically last year's bench without its two best players. Any reasonable person would exchange this bench for at least 10 of the others benches from the league.

One can't just assume that everything good will happen. Doing that maybe delusional. O'Bryant will be a reliable backup? Long shot. Who knows for sure? Powe and BBDavis will improve? Perhaps. Rondo, Perks? Ditto. Pruitt will show he's a NBA player? I don't know. Is Tony Allen go back an entire season to his few months of good production? How can one be sure of that? Can the rookies play? I don't think one can depend on wishful thinking so much.

There are evident flaws. We need size in the wings - tall swingmen with good jump-shots can kill Tony Allen. We need size in the frontcourt. Who's going to guard 7ft jump-shooters like Gasol, Ilgauskas, Dirk, if we face them in the playofs? We need experience. What if the 4 rookies (Pruitt and O'Bryant are basically in their 1st year) bust? Or 3 of them? We don't have a clear 6th man. If Allen doesn't improve, his turnover rate can be a killer in a playoffs series. More spacing wouldn't hurt.

Perhaps everybody will improve, or at least enough guys, to make this bench, as it stands, good enough to compete in the playoffs. But I'm pretty sure Ainge isn't counting on that. This bench can be enough to the regular season, but unless everything good really happens, and most of the players improve a lot, is not good enough to the playoffs.

im having flashbacks to last year, pretty much how our bench was descirbed goign in hehe.



True.  But the bench worked out last year partly because a lot of risks panned out and partly because the C's landed Posey and Brown. 

I'd like to see a little more stability.  I don't want to see what arguably could be the best year for the Big Three wasted because Danny thought some young guys might pan out. 

Re: I see now what dannys plan was, lineup is set
« Reply #68 on: July 22, 2008, 01:06:19 PM »

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Who has a significantly better bench than us right now?

House/Pruitt
T. Allen/Giddens
Walker/Scal
Powe/Davis
O'Bryant

It's not the best bench in the league, but it's not terrible.

Terrible is a strong adjective. But I'm with CoachBo here, it's not a championship bench right now. From what we know now, it's basically last year's bench without its two best players. Any reasonable person would exchange this bench for at least 10 of the others benches from the league.

One can't just assume that everything good will happen. Doing that maybe delusional. O'Bryant will be a reliable backup? Long shot. Who knows for sure? Powe and BBDavis will improve? Perhaps. Rondo, Perks? Ditto. Pruitt will show he's a NBA player? I don't know. Is Tony Allen go back an entire season to his few months of good production? How can one be sure of that? Can the rookies play? I don't think one can depend on wishful thinking so much.

There are evident flaws. We need size in the wings - tall swingmen with good jump-shots can kill Tony Allen. We need size in the frontcourt. Who's going to guard 7ft jump-shooters like Gasol, Ilgauskas, Dirk, if we face them in the playofs? We need experience. What if the 4 rookies (Pruitt and O'Bryant are basically in their 1st year) bust? Or 3 of them? We don't have a clear 6th man. If Allen doesn't improve, his turnover rate can be a killer in a playoffs series. More spacing wouldn't hurt.

Perhaps everybody will improve, or at least enough guys, to make this bench, as it stands, good enough to compete in the playoffs. But I'm pretty sure Ainge isn't counting on that. This bench can be enough to the regular season, but unless everything good really happens, and most of the players improve a lot, is not good enough to the playoffs.

im having flashbacks to last year, pretty much how our bench was descirbed goign in hehe.



Last year, they added a starting SF from a title team to come off the bench.  Then added two vets mid season with playoff experience.


They didn't go the whole season around young players on the bench. 


Just like I don't think the will go the whole season with the bench the way it is. 

Re: I see now what dannys plan was, lineup is set
« Reply #69 on: July 22, 2008, 01:09:11 PM »

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Who has a significantly better bench than us right now?

House/Pruitt
T. Allen/Giddens
Walker/Scal
Powe/Davis
O'Bryant

It's not the best bench in the league, but it's not terrible.

Terrible is a strong adjective. But I'm with CoachBo here, it's not a championship bench right now. From what we know now, it's basically last year's bench without its two best players. Any reasonable person would exchange this bench for at least 10 of the others benches from the league.

One can't just assume that everything good will happen. Doing that maybe delusional. O'Bryant will be a reliable backup? Long shot. Who knows for sure? Powe and BBDavis will improve? Perhaps. Rondo, Perks? Ditto. Pruitt will show he's a NBA player? I don't know. Is Tony Allen go back an entire season to his few months of good production? How can one be sure of that? Can the rookies play? I don't think one can depend on wishful thinking so much.

There are evident flaws. We need size in the wings - tall swingmen with good jump-shots can kill Tony Allen. We need size in the frontcourt. Who's going to guard 7ft jump-shooters like Gasol, Ilgauskas, Dirk, if we face them in the playofs? We need experience. What if the 4 rookies (Pruitt and O'Bryant are basically in their 1st year) bust? Or 3 of them? We don't have a clear 6th man. If Allen doesn't improve, his turnover rate can be a killer in a playoffs series. More spacing wouldn't hurt.

Perhaps everybody will improve, or at least enough guys, to make this bench, as it stands, good enough to compete in the playoffs. But I'm pretty sure Ainge isn't counting on that. This bench can be enough to the regular season, but unless everything good really happens, and most of the players improve a lot, is not good enough to the playoffs.

  I think we'll end up signing another big, which Ainge pretty much alluded to. But the fact that you have (possibly rightly) PJ rated as our second best bench player last year is an indication of how weak in general our bench was last year in the playoffs. And even if our bench is worse our starters should be better.

If you think our bench was weak last year in the playoffs, you must be very worried. It's basically the same, without its best players, and with the addition of 4 rookies.

Re: I see now what dannys plan was, lineup is set
« Reply #70 on: July 22, 2008, 01:10:10 PM »

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Who has a significantly better bench than us right now?

House/Pruitt
T. Allen/Giddens
Walker/Scal
Powe/Davis
O'Bryant

It's not the best bench in the league, but it's not terrible.

Terrible is a strong adjective. But I'm with CoachBo here, it's not a championship bench right now. From what we know now, it's basically last year's bench without its two best players. Any reasonable person would exchange this bench for at least 10 of the others benches from the league.

One can't just assume that everything good will happen. Doing that maybe delusional. O'Bryant will be a reliable backup? Long shot. Who knows for sure? Powe and BBDavis will improve? Perhaps. Rondo, Perks? Ditto. Pruitt will show he's a NBA player? I don't know. Is Tony Allen go back an entire season to his few months of good production? How can one be sure of that? Can the rookies play? I don't think one can depend on wishful thinking so much.

There are evident flaws. We need size in the wings - tall swingmen with good jump-shots can kill Tony Allen. We need size in the frontcourt. Who's going to guard 7ft jump-shooters like Gasol, Ilgauskas, Dirk, if we face them in the playofs? We need experience. What if the 4 rookies (Pruitt and O'Bryant are basically in their 1st year) bust? Or 3 of them? We don't have a clear 6th man. If Allen doesn't improve, his turnover rate can be a killer in a playoffs series. More spacing wouldn't hurt.

Perhaps everybody will improve, or at least enough guys, to make this bench, as it stands, good enough to compete in the playoffs. But I'm pretty sure Ainge isn't counting on that. This bench can be enough to the regular season, but unless everything good really happens, and most of the players improve a lot, is not good enough to the playoffs.

im having flashbacks to last year, pretty much how our bench was descirbed goign in hehe.



Perhaps, but not by me. At least after Pollard, Posey and House joined.

Re: I see now what dannys plan was, lineup is set
« Reply #71 on: July 22, 2008, 01:26:27 PM »

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Who has a significantly better bench than us right now?

House/Pruitt
T. Allen/Giddens
Walker/Scal
Powe/Davis
O'Bryant

It's not the best bench in the league, but it's not terrible.

Terrible is a strong adjective. But I'm with CoachBo here, it's not a championship bench right now. From what we know now, it's basically last year's bench without its two best players. Any reasonable person would exchange this bench for at least 10 of the others benches from the league.

One can't just assume that everything good will happen. Doing that maybe delusional. O'Bryant will be a reliable backup? Long shot. Who knows for sure? Powe and BBDavis will improve? Perhaps. Rondo, Perks? Ditto. Pruitt will show he's a NBA player? I don't know. Is Tony Allen go back an entire season to his few months of good production? How can one be sure of that? Can the rookies play? I don't think one can depend on wishful thinking so much.

There are evident flaws. We need size in the wings - tall swingmen with good jump-shots can kill Tony Allen. We need size in the frontcourt. Who's going to guard 7ft jump-shooters like Gasol, Ilgauskas, Dirk, if we face them in the playofs? We need experience. What if the 4 rookies (Pruitt and O'Bryant are basically in their 1st year) bust? Or 3 of them? We don't have a clear 6th man. If Allen doesn't improve, his turnover rate can be a killer in a playoffs series. More spacing wouldn't hurt.

Perhaps everybody will improve, or at least enough guys, to make this bench, as it stands, good enough to compete in the playoffs. But I'm pretty sure Ainge isn't counting on that. This bench can be enough to the regular season, but unless everything good really happens, and most of the players improve a lot, is not good enough to the playoffs.

  I think we'll end up signing another big, which Ainge pretty much alluded to. But the fact that you have (possibly rightly) PJ rated as our second best bench player last year is an indication of how weak in general our bench was last year in the playoffs. And even if our bench is worse our starters should be better.

If you think our bench was weak last year in the playoffs, you must be very worried. It's basically the same, without its best players, and with the addition of 4 rookies.

  Not really. Looking at our bench and only our bench things don't look great. But I'd expect that either O'Bryant will play decently or Ainge will sign another backup big and we'll end up about as well there as we were with PJ. I expect that whether it's Leo or Davis we'll get at least slightly better play from our backup pf. I think that the 16 minutes of backup pg play from the playoffs will be 5-6 minutes of Rondo and 10-11 minutes of House/Pruitt so that will be improved. I think Rondo's overall play will be better, especially his consistency. And I think that the year of experience and winning the ttitle will make our starting lineup in general a little better. All of these things (or at least many of them) will counteract any dropoff from Posey to Tony, which isn't necessarily game changing to begin with.

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« Reply #72 on: July 22, 2008, 01:59:20 PM »

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It's not the best bench in the league, but it's not terrible.

Terrible is a strong adjective. But I'm with CoachBo here, it's not a championship bench right now. From what we know now, it's basically last year's bench without its two best players. Any reasonable person would exchange this bench for at least 10 of the others benches from the league.

One can't just assume that everything good will happen. Doing that maybe delusional. O'Bryant will be a reliable backup? Long shot. Who knows for sure? Powe and BBDavis will improve? Perhaps. Rondo, Perks? Ditto. Pruitt will show he's a NBA player? I don't know. Is Tony Allen go back an entire season to his few months of good production? How can one be sure of that? Can the rookies play? I don't think one can depend on wishful thinking so much.

There are evident flaws. We need size in the wings - tall swingmen with good jump-shots can kill Tony Allen. We need size in the frontcourt. Who's going to guard 7ft jump-shooters like Gasol, Ilgauskas, Dirk, if we face them in the playofs? We need experience. What if the 4 rookies (Pruitt and O'Bryant are basically in their 1st year) bust? Or 3 of them? We don't have a clear 6th man. If Allen doesn't improve, his turnover rate can be a killer in a playoffs series. More spacing wouldn't hurt.

Perhaps everybody will improve, or at least enough guys, to make this bench, as it stands, good enough to compete in the playoffs. But I'm pretty sure Ainge isn't counting on that. This bench can be enough to the regular season, but unless everything good really happens, and most of the players improve a lot, is not good enough to the playoffs.
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Unlike before last summer (when the big 3 were brought together), most of the risks are with bench players down the depth chart.  The starting 5 are all back with Perkins and Rondo possessing possibly unfulfilled potential still to emerge.  Though Posey is gone, Powe, BBD, T. Allen and House are proven as the remaining top 4 reserves of the champion team (with some or all of the first 3 of these young reserves probably improving in expanded roles with limited chance of regressing).  P. J. Brown was a playoffs revelation but contributed almost nothing during the regular season.  O'Bryant has a lot to prove but, even if he is mediocre, he will contribute more than Brown and Pollard did on a combined basis before the playoffs.  While he was probably overrated when drafted relatively high in as a lottery pick, O'Bryant still has upside that could be unleashed with this positive change of scenery and opportunity.  Walker and Giddings are unknown quantities who might not contribute right away as rookies but, based on what we know about them and Ainge's ability to find late first round and second round gems, either or both of them could be as good or better than Gomes and Powe turned out to be when selected as second rounders.  It's obvious that the 15th spot will be filled either by a Posey type bargain for the veteran minimum left at the end of free agency or with Brown/Cassell type veteran signings to plug any remaining depth chart gaps later during the season but in time for the playoffs.  I have no complaints.

Re: I see now what dannys plan was, lineup is set
« Reply #73 on: July 22, 2008, 02:06:57 PM »

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Who has a significantly better bench than us right now?

House/Pruitt
T. Allen/Giddens
Walker/Scal
Powe/Davis
O'Bryant

It's not the best bench in the league, but it's not terrible.

Terrible is a strong adjective. But I'm with CoachBo here, it's not a championship bench right now. From what we know now, it's basically last year's bench without its two best players. Any reasonable person would exchange this bench for at least 10 of the others benches from the league.

One can't just assume that everything good will happen. Doing that maybe delusional. O'Bryant will be a reliable backup? Long shot. Who knows for sure? Powe and BBDavis will improve? Perhaps. Rondo, Perks? Ditto. Pruitt will show he's a NBA player? I don't know. Is Tony Allen go back an entire season to his few months of good production? How can one be sure of that? Can the rookies play? I don't think one can depend on wishful thinking so much.

There are evident flaws. We need size in the wings - tall swingmen with good jump-shots can kill Tony Allen. We need size in the frontcourt. Who's going to guard 7ft jump-shooters like Gasol, Ilgauskas, Dirk, if we face them in the playofs? We need experience. What if the 4 rookies (Pruitt and O'Bryant are basically in their 1st year) bust? Or 3 of them? We don't have a clear 6th man. If Allen doesn't improve, his turnover rate can be a killer in a playoffs series. More spacing wouldn't hurt.

Perhaps everybody will improve, or at least enough guys, to make this bench, as it stands, good enough to compete in the playoffs. But I'm pretty sure Ainge isn't counting on that. This bench can be enough to the regular season, but unless everything good really happens, and most of the players improve a lot, is not good enough to the playoffs.

  I think we'll end up signing another big, which Ainge pretty much alluded to. But the fact that you have (possibly rightly) PJ rated as our second best bench player last year is an indication of how weak in general our bench was last year in the playoffs. And even if our bench is worse our starters should be better.

If you think our bench was weak last year in the playoffs, you must be very worried. It's basically the same, without its best players, and with the addition of 4 rookies.

  Not really. Looking at our bench and only our bench things don't look great. But I'd expect that either O'Bryant will play decently or Ainge will sign another backup big and we'll end up about as well there as we were with PJ. I expect that whether it's Leo or Davis we'll get at least slightly better play from our backup pf. I think that the 16 minutes of backup pg play from the playoffs will be 5-6 minutes of Rondo and 10-11 minutes of House/Pruitt so that will be improved. I think Rondo's overall play will be better, especially his consistency. And I think that the year of experience and winning the ttitle will make our starting lineup in general a little better. All of these things (or at least many of them) will counteract any dropoff from Posey to Tony, which isn't necessarily game changing to begin with.

How do you know all that? How can you know that either O'Bryant will play good or Ainge will sign a big that will contribute at least as much as PJ, for example?

I'm analyzing things as they are now.

Re: I see now what dannys plan was, lineup is set
« Reply #74 on: July 22, 2008, 02:40:52 PM »

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Who has a significantly better bench than us right now?

House/Pruitt
T. Allen/Giddens
Walker/Scal
Powe/Davis
O'Bryant

It's not the best bench in the league, but it's not terrible.

Terrible is a strong adjective. But I'm with CoachBo here, it's not a championship bench right now. From what we know now, it's basically last year's bench without its two best players. Any reasonable person would exchange this bench for at least 10 of the others benches from the league.

One can't just assume that everything good will happen. Doing that maybe delusional. O'Bryant will be a reliable backup? Long shot. Who knows for sure? Powe and BBDavis will improve? Perhaps. Rondo, Perks? Ditto. Pruitt will show he's a NBA player? I don't know. Is Tony Allen go back an entire season to his few months of good production? How can one be sure of that? Can the rookies play? I don't think one can depend on wishful thinking so much.

There are evident flaws. We need size in the wings - tall swingmen with good jump-shots can kill Tony Allen. We need size in the frontcourt. Who's going to guard 7ft jump-shooters like Gasol, Ilgauskas, Dirk, if we face them in the playofs? We need experience. What if the 4 rookies (Pruitt and O'Bryant are basically in their 1st year) bust? Or 3 of them? We don't have a clear 6th man. If Allen doesn't improve, his turnover rate can be a killer in a playoffs series. More spacing wouldn't hurt.

Perhaps everybody will improve, or at least enough guys, to make this bench, as it stands, good enough to compete in the playoffs. But I'm pretty sure Ainge isn't counting on that. This bench can be enough to the regular season, but unless everything good really happens, and most of the players improve a lot, is not good enough to the playoffs.

  I think we'll end up signing another big, which Ainge pretty much alluded to. But the fact that you have (possibly rightly) PJ rated as our second best bench player last year is an indication of how weak in general our bench was last year in the playoffs. And even if our bench is worse our starters should be better.

If you think our bench was weak last year in the playoffs, you must be very worried. It's basically the same, without its best players, and with the addition of 4 rookies.

  Not really. Looking at our bench and only our bench things don't look great. But I'd expect that either O'Bryant will play decently or Ainge will sign another backup big and we'll end up about as well there as we were with PJ. I expect that whether it's Leo or Davis we'll get at least slightly better play from our backup pf. I think that the 16 minutes of backup pg play from the playoffs will be 5-6 minutes of Rondo and 10-11 minutes of House/Pruitt so that will be improved. I think Rondo's overall play will be better, especially his consistency. And I think that the year of experience and winning the ttitle will make our starting lineup in general a little better. All of these things (or at least many of them) will counteract any dropoff from Posey to Tony, which isn't necessarily game changing to begin with.

How do you know all that? How can you know that either O'Bryant will play good or Ainge will sign a big that will contribute at least as much as PJ, for example?

I'm analyzing things as they are now.

  For starters, PJ didn't contribute that much that we can't replace. But how do you know, for instance, that we won't get a solid contribution in the playoffs from Giddens or Walker or Pruitt?