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Re: Who is the Backup 3? does anyone else NOT see a glaring weakness??
« Reply #45 on: July 21, 2008, 12:47:36 PM »

Offline bigjohnson34st

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I think the goal is to have TA play back up 2 & 3 behind ray and paul. Conceivably that would give TA roughly 20minutes a game. We all saw how much offesive explosion and defensive tenacity that he has when healthy and receiving the right amount of reps. He just needs the minutes gain strength and confidence in his knee again. Then when you add the pressure of a short two year contract plus a solid rookie like JR waiting in the wings... I think we will get the TA we have been waiting for this year.

Re: Who is the Backup 3? does anyone else NOT see a glaring weakness??
« Reply #46 on: July 21, 2008, 12:47:47 PM »

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James Posey is a better defender against Lebr......oh wait, that's right - we let him go to NO for "cap flexibility" in 2013.  ???
*yawn*

Get over it already?
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« Reply #47 on: July 21, 2008, 12:52:49 PM »

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Personally, I believe that Maurice Evans makes a ton of sense.  The guy plays defense and can hit threes.  He isn't a drive and dish guy AND is deplorable at finishing, but he definitely can fill a role.  With Pierce and Rondo, IMO, he won't be asked to do a ton of driving.  Though the concept of him and Tony Allen playing together is quite bothersome. 

A trade that I believe makes sense for both teams.  Brian Scalabrine for Trenton Hassell.  The Celtics get a defensive wing.  If you view Scalabrine as a sunk cost, you could make the argument that Hassell will be "cheaper" than Evans.   New Jersey cuts about $1MM in salary.   

I still prefer Evans AND then offer Gabe Pruitt and JR Giddens to Memphis for one of their PG's. 


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« Reply #48 on: July 21, 2008, 12:55:05 PM »

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I'll say this there is a deal to be had and it involves the Atlanta Hawks.  I have strong reason to think that JR and Walker will not play in Green next season. 

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« Reply #49 on: July 21, 2008, 01:03:48 PM »

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James Posey is a better defender against Lebr......oh wait, that's right - we let him go to NO for "cap flexibility" in 2013.  ???
*yawn*

Get over it already?

Sorry I am boring you kozlodoev - I will run all of my future wise cracks by you to be sure you approve of their entertainment value before hand  :-*


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« Reply #50 on: July 21, 2008, 01:10:03 PM »

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I'll say this there is a deal to be had and it involves the Atlanta Hawks.  I have strong reason to think that JR and Walker will not play in Green next season. 

Once again, tell us your reason, and give details, or leave it be.  This "I know something you don't" stuff doesn't fly here.

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« Reply #51 on: July 21, 2008, 01:11:04 PM »

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This is interesting.  The Globe has Bartelstein saying the C's are interested in Devean George:

http://www.boston.com/sports/basketball/celtics/extras/celtics_blog/2008/07/celtics_agree_t.html

Does Bartelstein represent every player in the league?
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« Reply #52 on: July 21, 2008, 01:12:22 PM »

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This is interesting.  The Globe has Bartelstein saying the C's are interested in Devean George:

http://www.boston.com/sports/basketball/celtics/extras/celtics_blog/2008/07/celtics_agree_t.html

Does Bartelstein represent every player in the league?
I was wondering that myself. Especially when he was trying to negotiate the money from the same MLE for both House and Posey.
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« Reply #53 on: July 21, 2008, 01:25:02 PM »

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wow if they give awards to agents bartelstein would be the mvp

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« Reply #54 on: July 21, 2008, 01:25:24 PM »

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Well, I am not worried.  Our first 3 guys off the bench are all returning role players with Celtics rings.  

House as backup pg?  
Absolutely, I seem to remember him helping us get to 66 wins last year in this role, then coming up huge in the Finals when called upon again.

Thin Front Line?  
Leon Powe played exceptional at 5 all year, and even dropped a 21pt game in the Finals playing 5.  He and BB held it down to the tune of 66 wins last year, more of the same seems appropriate.

No Backup 3?  
Tony Allen is more than serviceable, and lets face it - when the game is on the line - Pierce is in there any ways.  I also have no problem using Scal here to rest players when appropriate.  Scal is better than most people think and can handle 5-8mpg at backup 3.


AND we still have an extra roster spot to carry with us.  This is huge.  We should all know that summer-time assessments can be shaky.  That roster spot needs to be used wisely.  

Maybe PO'B doesn't work out and we need another big?  Maybe he turns into another Al Jefferson and we don't?  Maybe Tony Allen plays great in his expanded role, maybe not?  Maybe Bill Walker blows up?  Maybe Eddie House gets hurt?

Answering these questions will take consideration through the All Star break and determine exactly what will be best added for a playoff run -- big, pg, or swing.

For now, I am very happy entering the season as is.  This group will be good enough to win 60+ games and be the class of the east.

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« Reply #55 on: July 21, 2008, 01:38:17 PM »

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Well, as much as I've complained about Tony Allen over the years and over the past few hours, I will say that the argument that he (or Giddens for that matter) can't guard LeBron is a fairly weak one.  As well as Pierce and Posey played against him last year, LeBron is still LeBron, and when he's hot, no one's going to stop him.  So to suggest that Tony Allen's height is going to do him in against him is probably not all that accurate because no one's really going to stop him. 

It's thinking like that that lead teams to draft large stiff after large stiff in the '90s to try to "stop Shaq."  All that lead to was an inordinate amount of large stiffs in the NBA because anyone who was big enough to bang with Shaq sure as heck wasn't quick enough to keep up with him, which made the point moot.  Worse yet, most of those big stiffs were so offensively challenged that it actually made things worse, as it gave Shaq the freedom to help off his man on the defensive end.  The worst aspect of all of that is you only have to face Shaq so many times a year, so teams were left with most of their games not even needing their big stiff, who did nothing but hurt them against other teams. 

LeBron's kind of like the Shaq of small forwards, given his size and strength.  While we can approach him like we have to stop him, we're probably better off just playing our game and trying to have the best possible players out there.  If Tony Allen can harass him to the best of his ability defensively and make LeBron work on the defensive end, he might do OK.

Still, I'd be interested in a guy like Darius Miles.  Not only does he have phenomenal length and size, he'd also is probably the only unrestricted free agent that has the clear cut talent to be our sixth man.  He'd be a risk, but even if he's only mediocre he'd probably be a better option than most of what's left out there. 

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« Reply #56 on: July 21, 2008, 01:50:50 PM »

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One statement:  I believe (as of today) the bench has taken a significant step backwards. And signing Devean George (if it happens...I hope not) will do little if anything to change that. 

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« Reply #57 on: July 21, 2008, 02:05:12 PM »

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I'll say this there is a deal to be had and it involves the Atlanta Hawks.  I have strong reason to think that JR and Walker will not play in Green next season. 

i highly doubt your theory to be true.

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« Reply #58 on: July 21, 2008, 02:14:48 PM »

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Giddens might not be as tall as Pierce, but Giddens possesses a big wingspan (6'11.25") and a good standing reach (8'8").  This is slightly better than the average SF.

http://www.draftexpress.com/nba-pre-draft-measurements/measurements.php?page=&year=2008&sort2=DESC&draft=0&pos=2&sort=1

In any case, I think Tony Allen is the backup SF at this point.  

Well, Ainge said he thinks that Tony plays better when he's given long rather than spot minutes. So maybe they're thinking of giving the entire 24 minutes available behind Ray and Paul to him. That would be interesting.

I think this is correct -- basically stepping into the 6th man role that Posey played. 
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« Reply #59 on: July 21, 2008, 02:20:59 PM »

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Giddens is . The guy pulled down almost 9 rebounds his last year. I don't care if he is 6'5 he has long arms and the bulk to play sf imo

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