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Re: Nice blurb on Walker...
« Reply #30 on: July 18, 2008, 04:20:34 PM »

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The real issue about where Giddens and Walker should play next year has more to do with their talent level, BBIQ, and grasp of BB fundamentals.  Neither the DL nor Europe will give either player a true "taste" of the NBA game as both sites aren't representative of the senior league.

Both draftees have outstanding athleticism yet neither player has world-class athleticism.  That said we should focus on their strengths and not belabor their lack of "freakish" athleticism as though this one feature dooms their NBA chances.

I'm anxious to see what handles Giddens has and whether he knows how to use his body to shield his dribble (something Pruitt has yet to master).  Until we see how Walker and Giddens respond to NBA competition we're all just guessing about where they should play and whether they are NBA "ready".

I think the Giddens and Walker comparisons don't necessarily bear merit.  Giddens is 23, older than Davis, Pruitt, O'Bryant, and Rondo.  He played a lot of college ball.  Plus, while it'd be nice if he had a great handle, it's not like Posey was taking players off the dribble very often.  All we really need him to do is play tough defense and hit the open three.  If he can do that--and most scouting reports think he can--he might help mitigate the loss of Posey. 

As for Walker, his ceiling might be higher, but he's also younger, has less college experience, and apparently a worse shot.  While he may have more potential to be a game-changing star, I'm less convinced of his ability to immediately fit into this team where that skill isn't exactly needed right now. 
if he flashes game changing potential he will fit in to the team regardless of his skill set. Someone who can get to the rim and windmill finish always will fit into a team.
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Re: Nice blurb on Walker...
« Reply #31 on: July 18, 2008, 04:24:32 PM »

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I really don't know what you mean by 'world class' athleticism.  If you mean, would they win the 100M dash at the Olympics or win the 50M freestyle.  Then I suppose I could agree with that.  But as far as basketball goes, their athleticism is both quite high.  Yes freakish is the word that comes to mind.  You've probably seen enough highlight reels of Walker to realize that he is a dunking machine with an incredible vertical.  There's less footage of Giddens but I'll trust Ainge's assessment that the kid has the athleticism to be a potential lockdown wing defender.

It would be more logical to say, as athletic as our rookies happen to be, they will run into NBA players that can match that, so they can't just rely on their superior abilities to beat people at the 'next level'.  I do think that if they can make the roster, they instantly upgrade the team's overall 'athleticism'.  This disparity in athleticism could clearly be seen in the Atlanta series, where although the Celtics had superior overall talent, at times they had a hard time matching the young Hawks' energy and athleticism.

The comment about what type of handles Giddens has etc. has more to do with his potential as a backup PG than as a "wing" player.  He is not a Posey replacement but could provide some offense, defense and rebounding skills as part of a "replacement-by-committee" concept.

I stand by my comment that neither Giddens nor Walker have "world-class" athleticism.  That does not diminish the fact that they have outstanding athleticism (as previously stated).  College nicknames may not translate on the NBA stage and shouldn't suggest "world-class" abilities until proven on the bigger stage.

Re: Nice blurb on Walker...
« Reply #32 on: July 18, 2008, 05:10:00 PM »

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I really don't know what you mean by 'world class' athleticism.  If you mean, would they win the 100M dash at the Olympics or win the 50M freestyle.  Then I suppose I could agree with that.  But as far as basketball goes, their athleticism is both quite high.  Yes freakish is the word that comes to mind.  You've probably seen enough highlight reels of Walker to realize that he is a dunking machine with an incredible vertical.  There's less footage of Giddens but I'll trust Ainge's assessment that the kid has the athleticism to be a potential lockdown wing defender.

It would be more logical to say, as athletic as our rookies happen to be, they will run into NBA players that can match that, so they can't just rely on their superior abilities to beat people at the 'next level'.  I do think that if they can make the roster, they instantly upgrade the team's overall 'athleticism'.  This disparity in athleticism could clearly be seen in the Atlanta series, where although the Celtics had superior overall talent, at times they had a hard time matching the young Hawks' energy and athleticism.

The comment about what type of handles Giddens has etc. has more to do with his potential as a backup PG than as a "wing" player.  He is not a Posey replacement but could provide some offense, defense and rebounding skills as part of a "replacement-by-committee" concept.

I stand by my comment that neither Giddens nor Walker have "world-class" athleticism.  That does not diminish the fact that they have outstanding athleticism (as previously stated).  College nicknames may not translate on the NBA stage and shouldn't suggest "world-class" abilities until proven on the bigger stage.

i gotta admit im wondering what the criteria is for world-class athleticism vs what they have. it seems like a fools errand to debate this subject but ive seen enough video on both to see that they are both walking on pogo sticks right now and can jump out of the gym. both seem to posses great strength for their size and long arms. both have been in their fair share of dunk contests for years. ill put it this way. if josh smith is a world class athlete, so are these two.
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Re: Nice blurb on Walker...
« Reply #33 on: July 18, 2008, 06:31:10 PM »

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Enjoyed reading this from today's articles:

Just over two weeks removed from arthroscopic surgery (torn meniscus) on his right knee - the third of the 20-year-old’s basketball career - Walker was back on the court yesterday firing up a succession of 3-pointers and free throws and donning a sweat-soaked shirt.

Walker looked much bigger in a T-shirt and long shorts (which covered any brace on his knee, though it was apparent he was not wearing any Tony Allen-type contraption) than he did wearing a sport shirt and jeans at his introductory press conference two weeks ago. At first glance, you wouldn’t even think it was the same player (the LeBron James comparison suddenly make slightly more sense). A Celtics spokesman confirmed he has been a frequent sight at HealthPoint since his surgery.


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just curious, what article did this come from?
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Re: Nice blurb on Walker...
« Reply #34 on: July 18, 2008, 07:04:15 PM »

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buckner... I believe that came from Scott Souza a few days ago.
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Re: Nice blurb on Walker...
« Reply #35 on: July 18, 2008, 07:06:32 PM »

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If we only sign him for two years and he pans out, what if other teams suddenly wants to pay him 10 million? Can we stop this from happening without having to pay that much? Same goes for all of our other prospects. For all I know, Powe could net a 9 million deal from some random team like the Bucks..

why don't we just pay every halfway popluar player $10M...........  its not my money

Re: Nice blurb on Walker...
« Reply #36 on: July 18, 2008, 08:14:09 PM »

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One draft site compared Walker pre-knee injury to Vince Carter athletically.  That's super-freaky athletically. 

Re: Nice blurb on Walker...
« Reply #37 on: July 18, 2008, 08:21:18 PM »

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One draft site compared Walker pre-knee injury to Vince Carter athletically.  That's super-freaky athletically. 

which is fantastic considering he has recovered from the more serious ones and a meniscus injury really isnt that big of a deal, especially if you have the money/resources to speed up and improve the healing process.

Re: Nice blurb on Walker...
« Reply #38 on: July 18, 2008, 08:31:51 PM »

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The real issue about where Giddens and Walker should play next year has more to do with their talent level, BBIQ, and grasp of BB fundamentals.  Neither the DL nor Europe will give either player a true "taste" of the NBA game as both sites aren't representative of the senior league.

Both draftees have outstanding athleticism yet neither player has world-class athleticism.  That said we should focus on their strengths and not belabor their lack of "freakish" athleticism as though this one feature dooms their NBA chances.

I'm anxious to see what handles Giddens has and whether he knows how to use his body to shield his dribble (something Pruitt has yet to master).  Until we see how Walker and Giddens respond to NBA competition we're all just guessing about where they should play and whether they are NBA "ready".

I think the Giddens and Walker comparisons don't necessarily bear merit.  Giddens is 23, older than Davis, Pruitt, O'Bryant, and Rondo.  He played a lot of college ball.  Plus, while it'd be nice if he had a great handle, it's not like Posey was taking players off the dribble very often.  All we really need him to do is play tough defense and hit the open three.  If he can do that--and most scouting reports think he can--he might help mitigate the loss of Posey. 

As for Walker, his ceiling might be higher, but he's also younger, has less college experience, and apparently a worse shot.  While he may have more potential to be a game-changing star, I'm less convinced of his ability to immediately fit into this team where that skill isn't exactly needed right now. 
if he flashes game changing potential he will fit in to the team regardless of his skill set. Someone who can get to the rim and windmill finish always will fit into a team.

Maybe.  But Tony Allen could always get to the hoop, though with less athleticism after the injury.  For it to truly be useful, though, he's going to have to fit in with everyone else.  If all he's capable of doing is driving to the hoop every time, he's only going to be useful when plays are called for him, which might not be all that often with 3 superstars plus Rondo around. 

If Giddens, on the other hand (or Walker for that matter), shows himself capable of hitting weak side open jumpers and defending hard, he can be valuable even when plays aren't being run for him.  If either of them can do that, I'll consider it gravy if they can occasionally create their own offense. 

To me, Giddens seems like he might be ready to step in and fill a Posey role right now, whereas it seems to me like Walker might take a couple more years to develop, but might be that elusive superstar who could eventually take the place of Ray Allen.