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Re: Need a PG & C, plus a little O off the bench
« Reply #60 on: July 16, 2008, 05:51:29 PM »

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I overlooked Kurt Thomas.  He'd be a great addition.  Perfect.

Yes...as regard centers Kurt would be the best for us, no doubt.

Re: Plan B
« Reply #61 on: July 16, 2008, 05:52:16 PM »

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Not going to happen. Eddie house is out the door also, honestly i wouldn't be surpised if the hornets took him in also.

boston just needs to hope their rookies will pull through especially giddens and walker. They need to be signed asap

also i would like danny to sign a guy like matt barnes/quinten ross for a defensives forward/guard hole posey left

what a bad day

Re: Plan B
« Reply #62 on: July 16, 2008, 05:53:15 PM »

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I say Walker needs to go overseas.


Sign four guys that can compete for spots. 

Re: Plan B
« Reply #63 on: July 16, 2008, 06:01:43 PM »

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I'll say this again though I said it already, we need the biggest bang for our buck from the MLE.  While it sounds good in theory to split the MLE up, remember, only 8-9 guys are really going to matter come playoff time.  So having a quality 10th or 11th man is really only going to be useful in the regular season or in the event of an injury.  The way I see it, the starting lineup is set, and either Powe or Davis will probably make the 9 man playoff rotation.  That leaves 3 spots open. 

What we should really be doing is trying to land a guy with the MLE that is head and shoulders above the likes of Giddens, O'Bryant, and anyone else who should be available at the minimum anyway.  Why split the MLE between guys like House and Allen if comparable players could be had at the minimum?  Why give a portion of the MLE to a big man if O'Bryant has a half decent chance of beating him out? 

I think the first option should be pursuing some restricted FAs that their teams might not match (maybe Childress or West).  If that doesn't pan out, then Ainge really needs to look for someone who can step in as a sixth man one way or another. 

Remember, in the NBA more than any other professional league (because of the small size of rosters), quality is much more important than quantity. 

Re: Plan B
« Reply #64 on: July 16, 2008, 06:02:42 PM »

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Bonzi Wells?? Bonzi is the kind of player who can singlehandedly put his own team out of the playoffs. Give him 10 minutes in an elimination game and there's a good chance that he'll kill you.

Except for the fact that he was a key reserve on a very good Hornets team that went to the second round.

He was such a key player that in the last games Byron Scott basically kept him in the doghouse. In the last 6 games vs. the Spurs he averaged 29 %FG, 0 %3pt, 0 %FT, 2ppg, 2rpg and more turnovers than assists in 10 mpg. And the stats make him look better than he actually was.  Wells has been quickly declining in the last couple of years and he's yet to acknowledge that fact. If he could play within his current limitations, he'd still be a valuable player. But suddenly he has a good game and he becomes a major liability for the following 10 games.


yeah, i think it's crash course time for JR and Walker and then try and do something during the season. i think the guys we are talking about - ironically -  would be a waste of money....

Yeah, I kind of agree. The only UFA one could be sure about being good enough to play the 6th man role in a contender was Posey. Other than Kurt Thomas - and he'd left us a bit undersized in the post -, I don't think any other available player is worth the risk of a half-MLE contract. We still need a long-range shooter in the backcourt though, unless Pruit deserves to be trusted, otherwise our team is going to be struggle against good team-defenses.

Re: Plan B
« Reply #65 on: July 16, 2008, 06:03:51 PM »

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I say Walker needs to go overseas.


Sign four guys that can compete for spots. 

I think this would be ideal.  Then they could use one spot on a guy like Miles, who, if healthy could be a major contributor, and then use the other 3 to get a solid wing defender, backup PG, and backup Center (although they might wait until later in the season for that).

Re: Plan B
« Reply #66 on: July 16, 2008, 06:04:20 PM »

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I'll say this again though I said it already, we need the biggest bang for our buck from the MLE.  While it sounds good in theory to split the MLE up, remember, only 8-9 guys are really going to matter come playoff time.  So having a quality 10th or 11th man is really only going to be useful in the regular season or in the event of an injury.  The way I see it, the starting lineup is set, and either Powe or Davis will probably make the 9 man playoff rotation.  That leaves 3 spots open. 

What we should really be doing is trying to land a guy with the MLE that is head and shoulders above the likes of Giddens, O'Bryant, and anyone else who should be available at the minimum anyway.  Why split the MLE between guys like House and Allen if comparable players could be had at the minimum?  Why give a portion of the MLE to a big man if O'Bryant has a half decent chance of beating him out? 

I think the first option should be pursuing some restricted FAs that their teams might not match (maybe Childress or West).  If that doesn't pan out, then Ainge really needs to look for someone who can step in as a sixth man one way or another. 

Remember, in the NBA more than any other professional league (because of the small size of rosters), quality is much more important than quantity. 

There isn't an unrestricted FA left that is worth the MLE.

And the RFA worth the MLE are likely to be matched, but not until after the Celtics wait for 7 days, thus allowing other FA to sign.





Splitting it among two vets you know will play (Arroyo and Thomas) works.  Neither are restricted.  Both could be had for less then the MLE, likely 2/3 year contracts.  

Re: Plan B
« Reply #67 on: July 16, 2008, 06:08:06 PM »

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We need to see how well Walkers rehabbing goes before we can expect anything from him this season.

I think we need to take a long look at these guys(no order):

Ryan Gomes
Ricky Davis
Tony Allen
Kirk Snyder
Quinton Ross
Delonte West


Gomes, West and Davis would all take part of the MLE to sign. Ross, Snyder, and TA would only take the minimum. Any two of those players should solidify our bench for next season.

Re: Plan B
« Reply #68 on: July 16, 2008, 06:09:34 PM »

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We need to see how well Walkers rehabbing goes before we can expect anything from him this season.

I think we need to take a long look at these guys(no order):

Ryan Gomes
Ricky Davis
Tony Allen
Kirk Snyder
Quinton Ross
Delonte West


Gomes, West and Davis would all take part of the MLE to sign. Ross, Snyder, and TA would only take the minimum. Any two of those players should solidify our bench for next season.

All the RFA's you mentioned would have the deal matched for a two year partial MLE that we'd be willing to offer.

Re: Plan B
« Reply #69 on: July 16, 2008, 06:10:34 PM »

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danny has always used the term "power-3" - so might as well look for that type of player because it's what he'll go after.  he won't change his opinion on that...
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Re: Plan B
« Reply #70 on: July 16, 2008, 06:14:05 PM »

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Bonzi Wells?? Bonzi is the kind of player who can singlehandedly put his own team out of the playoffs. Give him 10 minutes in an elimination game and there's a good chance that he'll kill you.

Except for the fact that he was a key reserve on a very good Hornets team that went to the second round.

He was such a key player that in the last games Byron Scott basically kept him in the doghouse. In the last 6 games vs. the Spurs he averaged 29 %FG, 0 %3pt, 0 %FT, 2ppg, 2rpg and more turnovers than assists in 10 mpg. And the stats make him look better than he actually was.  Wells has been quickly declining in the last couple of years and he's yet to acknowledge that fact. If he could play within his current limitations, he'd still be a valuable player. But suddenly he has a good game and he becomes a major liability for the following 10 games.


yeah, i think it's crash course time for JR and Walker and then try and do something during the season. i think the guys we are talking about - ironically -  would be a waste of money....

Yeah, I kind of agree. The only UFA one could be sure about being good enough to play the 6th man role in a contender was Posey. Other than Kurt Thomas - and he'd left us a bit undersized in the post -, I don't think any other available player is worth the risk of a half-MLE contract. We still need a long-range shooter in the backcourt though, unless Pruit deserves to be trusted, otherwise our team is going to be struggle against good team-defenses.

yeah, i'd still try and sign Eddie...and TA..

plus, if JR gets minutes and looks like a good prospect, we could always try and trade him for more of a vet during the season or also look at possible buyout guys.....and i wouldn't mind  watching JR and possibly Walker develop....who knows, their athleticism could make things kinda interesting out there....

Re: Plan B
« Reply #71 on: July 16, 2008, 06:14:49 PM »

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Thanks Pose and good luck to you.

I'd like to see them get either TA or Ricky as the backup 2 and then Finley or Wells as the backup 3.  Wells would be the best pickup.  He was the main guy who lead the Hornets comeback against the Cs in the regular season in New Orleans.  He has a similar game to Pierce too, so they can run similar sets when Pierce misses a game or sits to rest.

I think Zo is the only backup center that I would really like to see come here.  They need a guy who is a good weak side shot blocker, but someone with more experience than Patrick O'Bryant.  I'm not a huge fan of Chris Anderson.  Maybe Adonal Foyle if he signs cheap.

Don't sign a restricted FA either because they would be overpaid if the old team doesn't want to match.

Re: Plan B
« Reply #72 on: July 16, 2008, 06:22:14 PM »

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Has San Antonio re-signed Finley?  He might be an interesting option at the minimum or (even part of the MLE) for a year.  He contributed to the Spurs last year, he can hit the trey, and plays hard. 

Re: Plan B
« Reply #73 on: July 16, 2008, 06:23:03 PM »

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Has San Antonio re-signed Finley?  He might be an interesting option at the minimum or (even part of the MLE) for a year.  He contributed to the Spurs last year, he can hit the trey, and plays hard. 

Finley is not a bad fall back on a one year deal.

Possible Posey Replacements
« Reply #74 on: July 16, 2008, 06:44:11 PM »

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http://hoopshype.com/players/eddie_jones.htm

I did a little window shopping for free agents for a Posey replacement and found this oldie but goodie. I don't think he has played much the last few years but reports are that he can still play the game.

What do you all think? What are your ideas for Posey replacements?
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