Plan B

[boscel33]

Here is an interesting article for those that believe Posey leaving is bad.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/columns/story?columnist=hollinger_john&page=Posey_Hornets-080716

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ehh... that list doesn't look all that promising. our free agent future ain't too bright. so much for the "players will take a pay cut to play for a contender" motto; it's all about the money.

[BudweiserCeltic]

Matt Barnes - Grossly overrated on this board. Barely an upgrade, ever so slightly and upgrade, on Scal. I too worry about his contributions away from Nellie.

Grossly overrated? How about grossly underrated? He's not that good of a player, but a slight upgrade over Scal? Come on. I know there are some people that overrate players on this board, but seriously... no need to go to the other extreme to balance it out. He's quite an upgrade over Scal, easily... no doubt about it.

Devean George - Good defender, good shooter, a well rounded player overall. Solid contributor. Can't be a 6th man but a good 8th man.

Okay so I've a shortlist of seven guys I'm comfortable with.

I hate Devean... I'm pretty sure everyone in Dallas cringed everytime he stepped into the floor.

Tony Allen - One of the best unrestricted free agents on the market. I'd be very happy bringing Tony back. Himself and Bonzi are two similar players in that they can't shoot but can create their offense and give the second unit a go-to option.

I want Tony Allen back myself. I'm not sure about Bonzi, though I've liked him in the past... I'm not sure if I want him playing for us at the moment. If he's all we can get, I wouldn't mind it much though. Depending on who Danny has in mind, TA should probably the complementary piece in most cases just because he doesn't take part of the MLE.  Good defender, and I just like players that penetrate and try to make things happen. He'll be much better this year, I'm sure of it... how better, I don't know, but surely quite better and more useful.

Walter Herrmann - I'd be very happy with Herrmann. I haven't seen him defend small forwards enough in the NBA so I don't know what his defense is like there. On power forwards he's very good and perimeter bigs. He's also very athletic. Great shooter. Tough as nails. If the team signs Herrmann they should bring in another wing, a two guard (Tony, Bonzi, Mo), who can defend both guards and small forwards in case Herrmann can't defend them at a high enough level. I'd rather Herrmann than Boki.

I like Walter quite a bit, and share the same concerns you have about him guarding small forwards.

Kareem Rush - Restricted but I don't think Bird matches an offer considering what Indy already have on the wings. Good defender, good shooter, good scorer, good teammate. Just a very solid player

I haven't been much of a fan of his, but I'm warming up to the idea of him. We could use his 3-point shooting currently certainly, among his other attributes.

[Edgar]

Matt Barnes - Grossly overrated on this board. Barely an upgrade, ever so slightly and upgrade, on Scal. I too worry about his contributions away from Nellie.

Grossly overrated? How about grossly underrated? He's not that good of a player, but a slight upgrade over Scal? Come on. I know there are some people that overrate players on this board, but seriously... no need to go to the other extreme to balance it out. He's quite an upgrade over Scal, easily... no doubt about it.

Devean George - Good defender, good shooter, a well rounded player overall. Solid contributor. Can't be a 6th man but a good 8th man.

Okay so I've a shortlist of seven guys I'm comfortable with.

I hate Devean... I'm pretty sure everyone in Dallas cringed everytime he stepped into the floor.

Tony Allen - One of the best unrestricted free agents on the market. I'd be very happy bringing Tony back. Himself and Bonzi are two similar players in that they can't shoot but can create their offense and give the second unit a go-to option.

I want Tony Allen back myself. I'm not sure about Bonzi, though I've liked him in the past... I'm not sure if I want him playing for us at the moment. If he's all we can get, I wouldn't mind it much though. Depending on who Danny has in mind, TA should probably the complementary piece in most cases just because he doesn't take part of the MLE.  Good defender, and I just like players that penetrate and try to make things happen. He'll be much better this year, I'm sure of it... how better, I don't know, but surely quite better and more useful.

Walter Herrmann - I'd be very happy with Herrmann. I haven't seen him defend small forwards enough in the NBA so I don't know what his defense is like there. On power forwards he's very good and perimeter bigs. He's also very athletic. Great shooter. Tough as nails. If the team signs Herrmann they should bring in another wing, a two guard (Tony, Bonzi, Mo), who can defend both guards and small forwards in case Herrmann can't defend them at a high enough level. I'd rather Herrmann than Boki.

I like Walter quite a bit, and share the same concerns you have about him guarding small forwards.

Kareem Rush - Restricted but I don't think Bird matches an offer considering what Indy already have on the wings. Good defender, good shooter, good scorer, good teammate. Just a very solid player

I haven't been much of a fan of his, but I'm warming up to the idea of him. We could use his 3-point shooting currently certainly, among his other attributes.

Tony Allen
Walter Hermann??

and I stop counting for backup 2-3
we need to improve our backup 1 5
like always
and thats it

[Who]

Matt Barnes - Grossly overrated on this board. Barely an upgrade, ever so slightly and upgrade, on Scal. I too worry about his contributions away from Nellie.

Grossly overrated? How about grossly underrated? He's not that good of a player, but a slight upgrade over Scal? Come on. I know there are some people that overrate players on this board, but seriously... no need to go to the other extreme to balance it out. He's quite an upgrade over Scal, easily... no doubt about it.

Scal can do what Barnes does defensively and he can shoot better from the perimeter. Scal is just as good of a passer and just as smart. Barnes brings more physical play and more of a swagger.

Barnes value will drop dramatically when he isn't playing out of position as a power forward. I don't think you'll get anywhere near as much of a contribution from him outside of Nellie's offense. Barnes value also dropped the minute Jason Richardson was traded. I don't see Barnes adding more than the other free agents and I don't think his contributions would that much larger than what Scal offers.

[Fan from VT]

Good list

I don't want Childress. He doesn't provide what I want from the backup on the wings. Poor defender, Poor shooter, no go-to offense. I'm not wild about garbage men on the wings. I also do not think he's worth the MLE, although it wouldn't be too bad because it would be a trade-able contract

I still just don't get this. The guy is a .360 shooter from 3 for his career, .522 from the field. He's an UGLY shooter, but he's a GOOD one. He's also known as a decent defender and can defend several positions.

[Who]

Good list

I don't want Childress. He doesn't provide what I want from the backup on the wings. Poor defender, Poor shooter, no go-to offense. I'm not wild about garbage men on the wings. I also do not think he's worth the MLE, although it wouldn't be too bad because it would be a trade-able contract

I still just don't get this. The guy is a .360 shooter from 3 for his career, .522 from the field. He's an UGLY shooter, but he's a GOOD one. He's also known as a decent defender and can defend several positions.

His eFG% on jump shots last season was 39.7%. That's poor.

[indeedproceed]

Who, you're down on Azubuike?

43% his first year, 36% last year from 3? No faith in Thibs to make him reliable on the defensive end?

http://www.82games.com/0708/07GSW6A.HTM

I dunno enough about eFG or anything to make an arguement for him, but 46% eFG on jump shots is good, right? I'd be worried about him around the rim as a finisher.

[BudweiserCeltic]

Matt Barnes - Grossly overrated on this board. Barely an upgrade, ever so slightly and upgrade, on Scal. I too worry about his contributions away from Nellie.

Grossly overrated? How about grossly underrated? He's not that good of a player, but a slight upgrade over Scal? Come on. I know there are some people that overrate players on this board, but seriously... no need to go to the other extreme to balance it out. He's quite an upgrade over Scal, easily... no doubt about it.

Scal can do what Barnes does defensively and he can shoot better from the perimeter. Scal is just as good of a passer and just as smart. Barnes brings more physical play and more of a swagger.

Barnes value will drop dramatically when he isn't playing out of position as a power forward. I don't think you'll get anywhere near as much of a contribution from him outside of Nellie's offense. Barnes value also dropped the minute Jason Richardson was traded. I don't see Barnes adding more than the other free agents and I don't think his contributions would that much larger than what Scal offers.

Yet, Barnes is a better rebounder, brings more energy, is more athletic, is a better scorer, runs the fast break better, better finisher, etc., etc.

[Chief]

Just submitted this blog post:

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Matt Barnes (Golden State)
This one seems to be the popular vote amongst Celtics fans at the moment. Barnes is no James Posey, but he has proven himself as a tough-minded role player that can provide a spark off the bench. Granted, there has to be a reason for him suiting up for five teams since 2003. Regardless, he’s scrappy and he probably comes cheaper than most free agent small forwards.

Oddly enough, you can say the same thing about Posey.

Denver
Houston
Memphis
Miami
Boston
NO

Sometimes these career role players just got to find the right home. Ask Bruce Bowen.

[Who]

Who, you're down on Azubuike?

43% his first year, 36% last year from 3? No faith in Thibs to make him reliable on the defensive end?

Consistency is a big worry. Azubuike got benched for about two months this past season because he couldn't play with any consistency. He's interesting and I'd love him at 1-3mil range short term contract but to get him out of GSW this summer you're probably talking 3-4mil long term contract which I'm uncomfortable with. With the cap the way it is I'd rather have someone more proven and dependable on a long term contract. Azubuike still has upside, he could grow into the contract very nicely, I'm just not certain enough that he will.

[BudweiserCeltic]

Who, you're down on Azubuike?

43% his first year, 36% last year from 3? No faith in Thibs to make him reliable on the defensive end?

Consistency is a big worry. Azubuike got benched for about two months this past season because he couldn't play with any consistency. He's interesting and I'd love him at 1-3mil range short term contract but to get him out of GSW this summer you're probably talking 3-4mil long term contract which I'm uncomfortable with. With the cap the way it is I'd rather have someone more proven and dependable on a long term contract. Azubuike still has upside, he could grow into the contract very nicely, I'm just not certain enough that he will.

Since I didn't follow the situation closely, didn't his poor play start and lingered because of some injury that just wouldn't heal through the season? So he basically played for the most time injured.

[Who]

Matt Barnes - Grossly overrated on this board. Barely an upgrade, ever so slightly and upgrade, on Scal. I too worry about his contributions away from Nellie.

Grossly overrated? How about grossly underrated? He's not that good of a player, but a slight upgrade over Scal? Come on. I know there are some people that overrate players on this board, but seriously... no need to go to the other extreme to balance it out. He's quite an upgrade over Scal, easily... no doubt about it.

Scal can do what Barnes does defensively and he can shoot better from the perimeter. Scal is just as good of a passer and just as smart. Barnes brings more physical play and more of a swagger.

Barnes value will drop dramatically when he isn't playing out of position as a power forward. I don't think you'll get anywhere near as much of a contribution from him outside of Nellie's offense. Barnes value also dropped the minute Jason Richardson was traded. I don't see Barnes adding more than the other free agents and I don't think his contributions would that much larger than what Scal offers.

Yet, Barnes is a better rebounder, brings more energy, is more athletic, is a better scorer, runs the fast break better, better finisher, etc., etc.

Yeah I was thinking about calling Barnes a better rebounder but I'm not sold on that. Barnes grabs more rebounds but he doesn't box out well. Scal on the other hand does so team rebounding, much of a difference? I'm not so sure.

Agree on the better energy, disagree on the scoring because I think he'll falter outside of GSW, agree on the fast break related parts.

[indeedproceed]

Who, you're down on Azubuike?

43% his first year, 36% last year from 3? No faith in Thibs to make him reliable on the defensive end?

Consistency is a big worry. Azubuike got benched for about two months this past season because he couldn't play with any consistency. He's interesting and I'd love him at 1-3mil range short term contract but to get him out of GSW this summer you're probably talking 3-4mil long term contract which I'm uncomfortable with. With the cap the way it is I'd rather have someone more proven and dependable on a long term contract. Azubuike still has upside, he could grow into the contract very nicely, I'm just not certain enough that he will.

Hm. I respectfully disagree in regards to the risk taken compared to reward. My biggest concern is that we'd be adding a SG/SF, not a SF/PF, which would not address the void Posey left.

[Who]

Who, you're down on Azubuike?

43% his first year, 36% last year from 3? No faith in Thibs to make him reliable on the defensive end?

Consistency is a big worry. Azubuike got benched for about two months this past season because he couldn't play with any consistency. He's interesting and I'd love him at 1-3mil range short term contract but to get him out of GSW this summer you're probably talking 3-4mil long term contract which I'm uncomfortable with. With the cap the way it is I'd rather have someone more proven and dependable on a long term contract. Azubuike still has upside, he could grow into the contract very nicely, I'm just not certain enough that he will.

Since I didn't follow the situation closely, didn't his poor play start and lingered because of some injury that just wouldn't heal through the season? So he basically played for the most time injured.

What injury did he have and when? I don't remember him having any serious injury. That would change my thinking a bit of his past season.