Would Shawn Marion change his heart & become a Celtic now? What you guys think?

[KG_ended_Bias]

If the right trade came along like Ray Allen, poor Ray! for Shawn Marion. Would he then jump at the chance to get with a proven winner and play with Pierce & Garnett or would he simply not change his mind although K.G. once declined & changed his mind once they acquired better more proven veterans. He would bring alot to the table for us like defense, rebounding & flexibility to play the 3 & 4 spots & Pierce could slide back to the 2. Its just hypothetical because we all know he looked at the C's as a whole in the wall losing team with no signs of life. Now it has been restored in he is in a whole in Miami now & they are looking to trade him to the ultimate whole in Clipperland. lol do you guys think he would accept now?

[wdleehi]

He felt 'unappreciated' in Phoenix because of Nash and Amare.  (even though he was payed more)


I don't think he could handle being under KG and Pierce's shadow. 

[Steve Weinman]

If the right trade came along like Ray Allen, poor Ray! for Shawn Marion. Would he then jump at the chance to get with a proven winner and play with Pierce & Garnett or would he simply not change his mind although K.G. once declined & changed his mind once they acquired better more proven veterans. He would bring alot to the table for us like defense, rebounding & flexibility to play the 3 & 4 spots & Pierce could slide back to the 2. Its just hypothetical because we all know he looked at the C's as a whole in the wall losing team with no signs of life. Now it has been restored in he is in a whole in Miami now & they are looking to trade him to the ultimate whole in Clipperland. lol do you guys think he would accept now?

I'm not sure how much of an issue 'winning' is - or ever will be - on Marion's question for 'personal respect.'  While he's known a nice guy, he is one of the league's leading basket cases.

Some further (pertinent, I think) thoughts can be found in my column from right after the trade to Miami, linked here.

[fairweatherfan06]

Shawn Marion thinks he's a PF (he's not) KG is a PF, he won't like back up minutes nor will he take back up money.   Shawn Marion is a big SF, but he'd also be backing up Pierce (same problem).  KG does NOT want to play center, so this makes the Matrix a bad fit. Plus if Ray is in this trade who fills our now gaping hole at shooting guard?

[Cooldude5t5]

I used to love Marion. Now  only view him as selfish wannabe superstar. Any player who leaves the team with the best record in the western conference for the worst team in the league and is happy about it should be checked into a mental institution. This is a player who probably would have asked to be traded from the Bulls because some Jordan guy gets all the press. What I don't understand is why arion thinks he is going to get more press on a bad team than on a great team? How often did you hear his name after he got traded for Shaq? He has no issues, just say no to Marion.

[cmburrill]

  I think what we get from Ray out weighs what we would get from Marion. Ray Allen spreads D. A team that leaves him open risks everything. Marion is can't shoot from outside, it may go in but every time he shoots I cringe. I live in Phoenix, so I am familiar with his game. He can not create his own shot. his game is more  like Poseys  but more athletic and without the a consistent 3 point range.
   In my opinion The Celts O is fine. They should not worry about D to the extent of changing their O.  They need some fine tuning on D but for the most part the core is solid. At least not for a guy that can't create his own shot. I do love the matrix though is the best role player in the league.

[cmburrill]

He felt 'unappreciated' in Phoenix because of Nash and Amare.  (even though he was payed more)


I don't think he could handle being under KG and Pierce's shadow. 

   I can only recall Marion complaining after his 3-4th year being on the trade block. He was asked candidly. He loved it here and appealed to the fans.
I live in Phoenix, and the entire time he was here, he was rumored to be gone.Every season during and before. The Suns were not getting the calls. They were making them. He knew this. All of the Suns ads were just like the C's...the big three. Billboards ect...At the same time they were trying to trade him(being the only commodity worth getting that final piece of the puzzle) Kerr came in, tried to coach from upstairs and then screwed the team up with that Marion team. Thanks Kerr...They had to redesign their entire O for one guy. Phoenix was worse off then last year. Marion was under appreciated.         
  We, the fans loved him, and C's fans would love him more because of the difference in knowledge C's fan seem to have over Sun's. He is a blue collar player, and will do what it takes to make the team better.  That means he had to cover Tim Duncan...and he did fine. He does a ton for the community and never let his constant trade rumors to change his play.  He was unappreciated by the organization, and Kerr killed the team that i thought would compete last year. I knew it when he left.

[KG_ended_Bias]

 I think what we get from Ray out weighs what we would get from Marion. Ray Allen spreads D. A team that leaves him open risks everything. Marion is can't shoot from outside, it may go in but every time he shoots I cringe. I live in Phoenix, so I am familiar with his game. He can not create his own shot. his game is more  like Poseys  but more athletic and without the a consistent 3 point range.
   In my opinion The Celts O is fine. They should not worry about D to the extent of changing their O.  They need some fine tuning on D but for the most part the core is solid. At least not for a guy that can't create his own shot. I do love the matrix though is the best role player in the league.

I gave you a Tommy Point CMBURRILL for being a die-hard Celtic fan while living in the hottest city in the world like me Phoenix! Although we get to watch the always in contention fun & gun wide open Suns 82 games a year we are still Die-Hard Celtics that not even Great Suns teams can deter us from the Green. So im with you go Celts! And I have to mention that Shawn Marion hates playing the PF position D'Antoni made him play it to create match up problems. Thats one of the reasons he wanted ou so he could play his natural SF spot. He publicly stated he hated guarding the Duncan's & Brand's come playoff time because of the size & strength he was giving up.

[pearljammer10]

Love Ray Allen but it would be hard to turn down an Allen for Marion Swap. Id like it. A lineup of Rondo, Pierce, Marion, KG, and Perkins would be fun to watch and hard to guard.

[Steve Weinman]

Love Ray Allen but it would be hard to turn down an Allen for Marion Swap. Id like it. A lineup of Rondo, Pierce, Marion, KG, and Perkins would be fun to watch and hard to guard.

Sadly, basketball-reference doesn't have intangibles leaderboards.  Ray is somewhere near the top; Marion most clearly isn't.  Hopefully, this season of Ubuntu has taught us the importance of that area of a team...

-sw

[pearljammer10]

Love Ray Allen but it would be hard to turn down an Allen for Marion Swap. Id like it. A lineup of Rondo, Pierce, Marion, KG, and Perkins would be fun to watch and hard to guard.

Sadly, basketball-reference doesn't have intangibles leaderboards.  Ray is somewhere near the top; Marion most clearly isn't.  Hopefully, this season of Ubuntu has taught us the importance of that area of a team...

-sw

Overall Marion has been the third rated player in the league over the past two years... Thats all there is too it.

[Jon]

As some said, it makes some sense.  A few years ago it made sense.  He was a tough defender and rebounder, he hit weakside threes, and finished with authority on breaks.  But if he wasn't happy in Phoenix as the third option, he won't be happy here either. 

[KG_ended_Bias]

Overall Marion has been the third rated player in the league over the past two years... Thats all there is too it.
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 I agree PearlJammer! People who do not live in Phoenix don't understand what Marion brings everynight. Non-stop energy & I do remember him dropping his career high against our Celtics something like 45 the few times you guys out in Boston got a chance to see him. Hustle makes up for alot of flaws, he would be a fan favorite with alot of skills from a superstar. Him & K.G. in the same lineup hustling would be ridiculous for other opponents to match. He is a great mid-range shooter, ugly shot & all. 11 board a game guy who doesn't have to have the ball in his hands to dominate. And would instantly become the 2nd best defender on the team in front of Pierce and challenging K.G. for 1st. And by the way he is probably a 88 percent shooter from the line in his career. We would only lose out on Ray's 3 ball but gain alot more. He is a great chemistry guy who Phoenix management made unhappy always seeking to trade him. Steve Nash was irate after the trade went down & they traded for Shaq. Only Amare was satisfied with that trade because he wanted to slide back to PF & he a Shaq always wanted to play together. Kerr & the upper brass was the only people who wanted Shawn out. D'Antoni was highly upset at the move & didn't want it to happen, yet they did the deal anyhow. Thats why D'Antoni is no longer in Phoenix because he & manangement were no longer seeing eye to eye cause Shaq slowed down his wide open system! Rondo & Marion would be magic together on the break & picking up full court on D. Stellar!

[Steve Weinman]

Love Ray Allen but it would be hard to turn down an Allen for Marion Swap. Id like it. A lineup of Rondo, Pierce, Marion, KG, and Perkins would be fun to watch and hard to guard.

Sadly, basketball-reference doesn't have intangibles leaderboards.  Ray is somewhere near the top; Marion most clearly isn't.  Hopefully, this season of Ubuntu has taught us the importance of that area of a team...

-sw

Overall Marion has been the third rated player in the league over the past two years... Thats all there is too it.

Rated third by what standard?

Overall Marion has been the third rated player in the league over the past two years... Thats all there is too it.

  People who do not live in Phoenix don't understand what Marion brings everynight. 

He is a great chemistry guy who Phoenix management made unhappy always seeking to trade him.
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I'd hazard a guess that those who have watched him with regularity can gain that understanding.

As for the second comment, I think that's a matter of perspective.  Some say Phoenix management made him unhappy by looking trade him.  Others maintain that he forced their hand by constantly making it clear that he wasn't happy in the first place because -- despite a myriad of recognitions and All-Star nominations and being the highest paid player on a team that included STAT and a two-time MVP winner -- he refused to believe he was getting enough 'respect.'  You say tomato, I say to-mah-to.  From what I've read (particularly Jack McCallum), I'm leaning with the latter viewpoint.

I don't doubt his play at all - in fact, I've credited him for this on several occasions, including in today's Daily Babble.  But I don't know when he became a "top 3" player -- which would seem to be what you're intimating with the 'third rated player' comment -- or if his game would be a great enough fit here to off-set chemistry concerns.  So I'm really not sure the 'rating' is all there is to it.

-sw

[cmburrill]

   No one has heard of major complaints from Marion except when directly asked. I have never heard of the Suns organization throwing him under the bus nor have I heard of any issues between him and the club. Marion had a large contract and was the ONLY commodity that the Suns had for a trade that might help both teams. He did not push the Miami trade