Posey to the Hornets? Maggette to the Spurs? Celtics left with?

[BudweiserCeltic]

Its probably near blasphemous - but I felt Posey REALLY struggled against the quicker wings. Ray Allen and Paul Pierce pretty much had Kobe the entire finals, and with good reason - Posey would have been worked.

Maybe he would have been worked; but the fact is that when he guarded Kobe, he wasn't. And of course he was assigned to Odom most of the time. When exactly has he struggled against quicker wings?

I agree, and said this many times, but i felt like against quicker wings he was playing d with his hands and not his feet. I know people are going to say, "well how'd he still draw so many charges?", which without looking at film I simply can't answer, but there is certainly a difference between positioning (especially on help D) and lateral quickness in-regards to making those plays. I too felt like he was struggling against quicker players. It's just what i saw, I can't defend it any better then that.

Okay, but do you remember one of those games? I'd like to re-watch them. And there's no one in the NBA who can play lockdown 1on1 defense on every type of player, from Wade to LeBron, from Rip to Manu, not even Bowen or Ross, at least since the no-handchecking rule; their skill set is just too widely varied. You have to assess the balance and your needs. And Posey also offers the defense on PFs. 

Yep, which is why I believe the notion of not having Posey to lock-up Kobe and the likes is mistaken. Go rewatch the games, and you'll see how Kobe had the best of him in many if not most possessions, but our help defense was good. But just as our help defense was good, it opened up the passing lanes a bit for Kobe to find the open man.

This was the most important part of Pierce on Kobe, that he was pretty much the only one in our team to defend him straight up one on one. Kobe posted Ray up. Kobe drove past Posey with relative ease and got into the paint.

It has been a bit undermentioned as far as I'm concerned, but the key part, in my opinion, in containing the LeBrons and the Kobes was our big man rotation, and how we constantly put 2-3 bodies between those guys and the basket.

Now, if you guys want to make cases on how Posey took some the other lesser players by himself out of the game, that's something I can agree with, but let's not make the case on how Posey was the defensive god against these all-star types.

The anti-Posey disinformation campaign continues ...

The problem is that I'm not anti-Posey. I just like to keep the facts straight. I like Posey, I want Posey back. And as I've said before, I've simply been skeptical about giving him the full MLE. But as I've said many times before, if Danny feels he's the best option, I wouldn't have any problems with him giving it to him.

There's zero disinformation in what I posted.

[nickagneta]

Its probably near blasphemous - but I felt Posey REALLY struggled against the quicker wings. Ray Allen and Paul Pierce pretty much had Kobe the entire finals, and with good reason - Posey would have been worked.

Maybe he would have been worked; but the fact is that when he guarded Kobe, he wasn't. And of course he was assigned to Odom most of the time. When exactly has he struggled against quicker wings?

I agree, and said this many times, but i felt like against quicker wings he was playing d with his hands and not his feet. I know people are going to say, "well how'd he still draw so many charges?", which without looking at film I simply can't answer, but there is certainly a difference between positioning (especially on help D) and lateral quickness in-regards to making those plays. I too felt like he was struggling against quicker players. It's just what i saw, I can't defend it any better then that.

Okay, but do you remember one of those games? I'd like to re-watch them. And there's no one in the NBA who can play lockdown 1on1 defense on every type of player, from Wade to LeBron, from Rip to Manu, not even Bowen or Ross, at least since the no-handchecking rule; their skill set is just too widely varied. You have to assess the balance and your needs. And Posey also offers the defense on PFs. 

Yeah try rewatching the Cleveland series games 3-7. Posey was pretty much cooked on LeBron because LeBron had him on the first step and in most times Posey couldn't recover. I think it was 2nd quarter game 3 or 4 where Posey guarded Lebron when Pierce went out at the 7 minute mark or so. lebron got hot because Posey couldn't contain him and the help defense wasn't as good as it had been or would get so Lebron scored like 8 straight points in 3 minutes.

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Its probably near blasphemous - but I felt Posey REALLY struggled against the quicker wings. Ray Allen and Paul Pierce pretty much had Kobe the entire finals, and with good reason - Posey would have been worked.


Maybe he would have been worked; but the fact is that when he guarded Kobe, he wasn't. And of course he was assigned to Odom most of the time. When exactly has he struggled against quicker wings?


I agree, and said this many times, but i felt like against quicker wings he was playing d with his hands and not his feet. I know people are going to say, "well how'd he still draw so many charges?", which without looking at film I simply can't answer, but there is certainly a difference between positioning (especially on help D) and lateral quickness in-regards to making those plays. I too felt like he was struggling against quicker players. It's just what i saw, I can't defend it any better then that.


Okay, but do you remember one of those games? I'd like to re-watch them. And there's no one in the NBA who can play lockdown 1on1 defense on every type of player, from Wade to LeBron, from Rip to Manu, not even Bowen or Ross, at least since the no-handchecking rule; their skill set is just too widely varied. You have to assess the balance and your needs. And Posey also offers the defense on PFs. 


Yep, which is why I believe the notion of not having Posey to lock-up Kobe and the likes is mistaken. Go rewatch the games, and you'll see how Kobe had the best of him in many if not most possessions, but our help defense was good. But just as our help defense was good, it opened up the passing lanes a bit for Kobe to find the open man.

This was the most important part of Pierce on Kobe, that he was pretty much the only one in our team to defend him straight up one on one. Kobe posted Ray up. Kobe drove past Posey with relative ease and got into the paint.

It has been a bit undermentioned as far as I'm concerned, but the key part, in my opinion, in containing the LeBrons and the Kobes was our big man rotation, and how we constantly put 2-3 bodies between those guys and the basket.

Now, if you guys want to make cases on how Posey took some the other lesser players by himself out of the game, that's something I can agree with, but let's not make the case on how Posey was the defensive god against these all-star types.

 

The anti-Posey disinformation campaign continues ...

It's a miracle the Celtics even made the playoffs, seeing as how they were hampered by this money-hungry, role-playing, statistically impaired, man-hugging backup on their roster.  The sooner we can dump him and get our hands on that sweet 2013 cap space, the better!

Just imagine this sweet roster for 2009:

Perk/Brown
KG/Powe/Baby
Pierce/6 mil. freed-up cap space in 2013/TA
Ray/Calbert Cheaney or Corey Maggette/Giddens
Rondo/Pruitt

Awesome baby!!!

[cordobes]

Its probably near blasphemous - but I felt Posey REALLY struggled against the quicker wings. Ray Allen and Paul Pierce pretty much had Kobe the entire finals, and with good reason - Posey would have been worked.

Maybe he would have been worked; but the fact is that when he guarded Kobe, he wasn't. And of course he was assigned to Odom most of the time. When exactly has he struggled against quicker wings?

I agree, and said this many times, but i felt like against quicker wings he was playing d with his hands and not his feet. I know people are going to say, "well how'd he still draw so many charges?", which without looking at film I simply can't answer, but there is certainly a difference between positioning (especially on help D) and lateral quickness in-regards to making those plays. I too felt like he was struggling against quicker players. It's just what i saw, I can't defend it any better then that.

Okay, but do you remember one of those games? I'd like to re-watch them. And there's no one in the NBA who can play lockdown 1on1 defense on every type of player, from Wade to LeBron, from Rip to Manu, not even Bowen or Ross, at least since the no-handchecking rule; their skill set is just too widely varied. You have to assess the balance and your needs. And Posey also offers the defense on PFs. 

Yep, which is why I believe the notion of not having Posey to lock-up Kobe and the likes is mistaken. Go rewatch the games, and you'll see how Kobe had the best of him in many if not most possessions, but our help defense was good. But just as our help defense was good, it opened up the passing lanes a bit for Kobe to find the open man.

This was the most important part of Pierce on Kobe, that he was pretty much the only one in our team to defend him straight up one on one. Kobe posted Ray up. Kobe drove past Posey with relative ease and got into the paint.

It has been a bit undermentioned as far as I'm concerned, but the key part, in my opinion, in containing the LeBrons and the Kobes was our big man rotation, and how we constantly put 2-3 bodies between those guys and the basket.

Now, if you guys want to make cases on how Posey took some the other lesser players by himself out of the game, that's something I can agree with, but let's not make the case on how Posey was the defensive god against these all-star types.

Everybody defended Kobe the same way, straight up, Doc only asked for doubles in some moments during the last minutes of the games or when he was posting up. With all due respect, I've watched those games carefully, some of them twice, and I have no idea what you are talking about. We used more help with LeBron, but not in different degrees depending on who was guarding him.

And there is nobody in the league that can lock up Kobe or LeBron without team defense. Posey is a top defender in the league because he requires less help then the other guys.

[Andy Jick]

Any chance TA is back?

if danny has to resort to "plan g" then, yeah, that might be a real possibility...no posey, no maggette, no pietrus (orlando) - clueless tony might very well become the el-cheapo alternative as we could (repeat: "could") strike out on a lot of guys.

[dark_lord]

i have a feeling we may land brent barry and/or mike finley.  just a hunch, even though nothing has been reported.

[Andy Jick]

i'm guessing guys will take cash over ubuntu any time...

oh well, at least that crap sold a lot of jewelry and made for a nice huddle-breaker...

(oops!  my bad - not allowed to use the word "crap" as some find it obscene and tasteless).

[BudweiserCeltic]

Its probably near blasphemous - but I felt Posey REALLY struggled against the quicker wings. Ray Allen and Paul Pierce pretty much had Kobe the entire finals, and with good reason - Posey would have been worked.

Maybe he would have been worked; but the fact is that when he guarded Kobe, he wasn't. And of course he was assigned to Odom most of the time. When exactly has he struggled against quicker wings?

I agree, and said this many times, but i felt like against quicker wings he was playing d with his hands and not his feet. I know people are going to say, "well how'd he still draw so many charges?", which without looking at film I simply can't answer, but there is certainly a difference between positioning (especially on help D) and lateral quickness in-regards to making those plays. I too felt like he was struggling against quicker players. It's just what i saw, I can't defend it any better then that.

Okay, but do you remember one of those games? I'd like to re-watch them. And there's no one in the NBA who can play lockdown 1on1 defense on every type of player, from Wade to LeBron, from Rip to Manu, not even Bowen or Ross, at least since the no-handchecking rule; their skill set is just too widely varied. You have to assess the balance and your needs. And Posey also offers the defense on PFs. 

Yep, which is why I believe the notion of not having Posey to lock-up Kobe and the likes is mistaken. Go rewatch the games, and you'll see how Kobe had the best of him in many if not most possessions, but our help defense was good. But just as our help defense was good, it opened up the passing lanes a bit for Kobe to find the open man.

This was the most important part of Pierce on Kobe, that he was pretty much the only one in our team to defend him straight up one on one. Kobe posted Ray up. Kobe drove past Posey with relative ease and got into the paint.

It has been a bit undermentioned as far as I'm concerned, but the key part, in my opinion, in containing the LeBrons and the Kobes was our big man rotation, and how we constantly put 2-3 bodies between those guys and the basket.

Now, if you guys want to make cases on how Posey took some the other lesser players by himself out of the game, that's something I can agree with, but let's not make the case on how Posey was the defensive god against these all-star types.

Everybody defended Kobe the same way, straight up, Doc only asked for doubles in some moments during the last minutes of the games or when he was posting up. With all due respect, I've watched those games carefully, some of them twice, and I have no idea what you are talking about. We used more help with LeBron, but not in different degrees depending on who was guarding him.

And there is nobody in the league that can lock up Kobe or LeBron without team defense. Posey is a top defender in the league because he requires less help then the other guys.

Yep straight up, until he got to the painted area... Pierce kept him from there, and if he got there, Pierce managed to contest shots. That didn't happen with Posey because Kobe beat him to the paint, the help had to come to contest the shots. Ray Allen stayed with him, but he's too small to contest the shot in below the foul line shots, help had to come or let Kobe score with ease.

Exactly, they require help from the other guys, which is all I'm saying. Some people, probably not you, have made the case for Posey as if he were a lock down defender of these types... he isn't, he needs help. I was simply clarifying that fact. If people still feel that even with his deficiencies guarding these types of players, his contributions are still worth it, then fine. I'm all for that, but let's not overstate his impact defensively by saying that he shot down Kobe and the likes because he didn't. It was a team effort, and really the only one that I saw handling this guys with less help than the rest was Paul Pierce.

[cordobes]

Its probably near blasphemous - but I felt Posey REALLY struggled against the quicker wings. Ray Allen and Paul Pierce pretty much had Kobe the entire finals, and with good reason - Posey would have been worked.

Maybe he would have been worked; but the fact is that when he guarded Kobe, he wasn't. And of course he was assigned to Odom most of the time. When exactly has he struggled against quicker wings?

I agree, and said this many times, but i felt like against quicker wings he was playing d with his hands and not his feet. I know people are going to say, "well how'd he still draw so many charges?", which without looking at film I simply can't answer, but there is certainly a difference between positioning (especially on help D) and lateral quickness in-regards to making those plays. I too felt like he was struggling against quicker players. It's just what i saw, I can't defend it any better then that.

Okay, but do you remember one of those games? I'd like to re-watch them. And there's no one in the NBA who can play lockdown 1on1 defense on every type of player, from Wade to LeBron, from Rip to Manu, not even Bowen or Ross, at least since the no-handchecking rule; their skill set is just too widely varied. You have to assess the balance and your needs. And Posey also offers the defense on PFs. 

Yeah try rewatching the Cleveland series games 3-7. Posey was pretty much cooked on LeBron because LeBron had him on the first step and in most times Posey couldn't recover. I think it was 2nd quarter game 3 or 4 where Posey guarded Lebron when Pierce went out at the 7 minute mark or so. lebron got hot because Posey couldn't contain him and the help defense wasn't as good as it had been or would get so Lebron scored like 8 straight points in 3 minutes.

Some other games? I remember those ones quite vividly and that never happened, you can check with the play-by-play. In game 7, Lebron was hot during the all game. Game 5 was the one that Doc played Posey to stop LeBron because he started 9-12 or something. I remember LeBron going hot at the beginning of the 2nd half in Game 6, but it was Pierce guarding him. It's a honest question, I don't really remember that.

[Who]

Yeah try rewatching the Cleveland series games 3-7. Posey was pretty much cooked on LeBron because LeBron had him on the first step and in most times Posey couldn't recover.

Since there's some disagreement about this I'll second that take on the situation.

LeBron figured Posey out after the first two games and from that point on he pretty much got to go wherever he wanted to go when Posey was defending him. Pierce was at least 2-3 times more effective defensively on King James over the final 5 games that series. Posey was clearly struggling with LeBron's quickness, especially LeBron's first step.

Posey's defense on LeBron in the first two games was exceptional. Final five games it was consistently worse by a large degree than Pierce's.

[cordobes]

Its probably near blasphemous - but I felt Posey REALLY struggled against the quicker wings. Ray Allen and Paul Pierce pretty much had Kobe the entire finals, and with good reason - Posey would have been worked.

Maybe he would have been worked; but the fact is that when he guarded Kobe, he wasn't. And of course he was assigned to Odom most of the time. When exactly has he struggled against quicker wings?

I agree, and said this many times, but i felt like against quicker wings he was playing d with his hands and not his feet. I know people are going to say, "well how'd he still draw so many charges?", which without looking at film I simply can't answer, but there is certainly a difference between positioning (especially on help D) and lateral quickness in-regards to making those plays. I too felt like he was struggling against quicker players. It's just what i saw, I can't defend it any better then that.

Okay, but do you remember one of those games? I'd like to re-watch them. And there's no one in the NBA who can play lockdown 1on1 defense on every type of player, from Wade to LeBron, from Rip to Manu, not even Bowen or Ross, at least since the no-handchecking rule; their skill set is just too widely varied. You have to assess the balance and your needs. And Posey also offers the defense on PFs. 

Yep, which is why I believe the notion of not having Posey to lock-up Kobe and the likes is mistaken. Go rewatch the games, and you'll see how Kobe had the best of him in many if not most possessions, but our help defense was good. But just as our help defense was good, it opened up the passing lanes a bit for Kobe to find the open man.

This was the most important part of Pierce on Kobe, that he was pretty much the only one in our team to defend him straight up one on one. Kobe posted Ray up. Kobe drove past Posey with relative ease and got into the paint.

It has been a bit undermentioned as far as I'm concerned, but the key part, in my opinion, in containing the LeBrons and the Kobes was our big man rotation, and how we constantly put 2-3 bodies between those guys and the basket.

Now, if you guys want to make cases on how Posey took some the other lesser players by himself out of the game, that's something I can agree with, but let's not make the case on how Posey was the defensive god against these all-star types.

Everybody defended Kobe the same way, straight up, Doc only asked for doubles in some moments during the last minutes of the games or when he was posting up. With all due respect, I've watched those games carefully, some of them twice, and I have no idea what you are talking about. We used more help with LeBron, but not in different degrees depending on who was guarding him.

And there is nobody in the league that can lock up Kobe or LeBron without team defense. Posey is a top defender in the league because he requires less help then the other guys.

Yep straight up, until he got to the painted area... Pierce kept him from there, and if he got there, Pierce managed to contest shots. That didn't happen with Posey because Kobe beat him to the paint, the help had to come to contest the shots. Ray Allen stayed with him, but he's too small to contest the shot in below the foul line shots, help had to come or let Kobe score with ease.

Exactly, they require help from the other guys, which is all I'm saying. Some people, probably not you, have made the case for Posey as if he were a lock down defender of these types... he isn't, he needs help. I was simply clarifying that fact. If people still feel that even with his deficiencies guarding these types of players, his contributions are still worth it, then fine. I'm all for that, but let's not overstate his impact defensively by saying that he shot down Kobe and the likes because he didn't. It was a team effort, and really the only one that I saw handling this guys with less help than the rest was Paul Pierce.

Since the handchecking was disallowed, nobody even tries to lock down those guys without help defense. Not even Bowen or whoever. IMO, Pierce had the exact same amount of help than anyone. Perhaps even more, when he guarded Kobe in game 5, as we played a box'n'1 for some minutes. We didn't double Kobe, sure, but again, we rarely did it in other moments.

[BudweiserCeltic]

Its probably near blasphemous - but I felt Posey REALLY struggled against the quicker wings. Ray Allen and Paul Pierce pretty much had Kobe the entire finals, and with good reason - Posey would have been worked.

Maybe he would have been worked; but the fact is that when he guarded Kobe, he wasn't. And of course he was assigned to Odom most of the time. When exactly has he struggled against quicker wings?

I agree, and said this many times, but i felt like against quicker wings he was playing d with his hands and not his feet. I know people are going to say, "well how'd he still draw so many charges?", which without looking at film I simply can't answer, but there is certainly a difference between positioning (especially on help D) and lateral quickness in-regards to making those plays. I too felt like he was struggling against quicker players. It's just what i saw, I can't defend it any better then that.

Okay, but do you remember one of those games? I'd like to re-watch them. And there's no one in the NBA who can play lockdown 1on1 defense on every type of player, from Wade to LeBron, from Rip to Manu, not even Bowen or Ross, at least since the no-handchecking rule; their skill set is just too widely varied. You have to assess the balance and your needs. And Posey also offers the defense on PFs. 

Yep, which is why I believe the notion of not having Posey to lock-up Kobe and the likes is mistaken. Go rewatch the games, and you'll see how Kobe had the best of him in many if not most possessions, but our help defense was good. But just as our help defense was good, it opened up the passing lanes a bit for Kobe to find the open man.

This was the most important part of Pierce on Kobe, that he was pretty much the only one in our team to defend him straight up one on one. Kobe posted Ray up. Kobe drove past Posey with relative ease and got into the paint.

It has been a bit undermentioned as far as I'm concerned, but the key part, in my opinion, in containing the LeBrons and the Kobes was our big man rotation, and how we constantly put 2-3 bodies between those guys and the basket.

Now, if you guys want to make cases on how Posey took some the other lesser players by himself out of the game, that's something I can agree with, but let's not make the case on how Posey was the defensive god against these all-star types.

Everybody defended Kobe the same way, straight up, Doc only asked for doubles in some moments during the last minutes of the games or when he was posting up. With all due respect, I've watched those games carefully, some of them twice, and I have no idea what you are talking about. We used more help with LeBron, but not in different degrees depending on who was guarding him.

And there is nobody in the league that can lock up Kobe or LeBron without team defense. Posey is a top defender in the league because he requires less help then the other guys.

Yep straight up, until he got to the painted area... Pierce kept him from there, and if he got there, Pierce managed to contest shots. That didn't happen with Posey because Kobe beat him to the paint, the help had to come to contest the shots. Ray Allen stayed with him, but he's too small to contest the shot in below the foul line shots, help had to come or let Kobe score with ease.

Exactly, they require help from the other guys, which is all I'm saying. Some people, probably not you, have made the case for Posey as if he were a lock down defender of these types... he isn't, he needs help. I was simply clarifying that fact. If people still feel that even with his deficiencies guarding these types of players, his contributions are still worth it, then fine. I'm all for that, but let's not overstate his impact defensively by saying that he shot down Kobe and the likes because he didn't. It was a team effort, and really the only one that I saw handling this guys with less help than the rest was Paul Pierce.

Since the handchecking was disallowed, nobody even tries to lock down those guys without help defense. Not even Bowen or whoever. IMO, Pierce had the exact same amount of help than anyone. Perhaps even more, when he guarded Kobe in game 5, as we played a box'n'1 for some minutes. We didn't double Kobe, sure, but again, we rarely did it in other moments.

I haven't said they doubled Kobe. All I've said was that Kobe had an easier time getting to the paint and Posey was in no position to contest the shot, someone else, usually from the weakside, had to come and contest the shot for him.

That's the difference of what I'm saying. It's one thing to double team a player, and it's another for a player to get beat and then have someone rotate to keep him away from the basket.

With Pierce on Kobe, Kobe had a very difficult time getting to the paint, and if he did, Pierce was still there to contest the shots by himself or with little help (people stepped in to stop him from penetrating, but didn't have to contest the shots for Pierce). With Posey, Kobe went past him and got to the paint, our bigs did the best they could to stop him from scoring. Isn't always the case, but it happened with more frequency with Posey on Kobe than any other defender we had with him. Ray stayed with him quite well, but his shortness against Kobe worked against him when Kobe managed to get below the foul line.

Pierce using the same amount of help as Posey is completely inaccurate.

[bucknersrevenge]

Its probably near blasphemous - but I felt Posey REALLY struggled against the quicker wings. Ray Allen and Paul Pierce pretty much had Kobe the entire finals, and with good reason - Posey would have been worked.

Maybe he would have been worked; but the fact is that when he guarded Kobe, he wasn't. And of course he was assigned to Odom most of the time. When exactly has he struggled against quicker wings?

I agree, and said this many times, but i felt like against quicker wings he was playing d with his hands and not his feet. I know people are going to say, "well how'd he still draw so many charges?", which without looking at film I simply can't answer, but there is certainly a difference between positioning (especially on help D) and lateral quickness in-regards to making those plays. I too felt like he was struggling against quicker players. It's just what i saw, I can't defend it any better then that.

Okay, but do you remember one of those games? I'd like to re-watch them. And there's no one in the NBA who can play lockdown 1on1 defense on every type of player, from Wade to LeBron, from Rip to Manu, not even Bowen or Ross, at least since the no-handchecking rule; their skill set is just too widely varied. You have to assess the balance and your needs. And Posey also offers the defense on PFs. 

i still think that is an issue for this team. they had to go to posey at the 4 far too often and it led to some offensive issues at the other end. posey wasnt as much an issue because there arent that many power 4's in the east. but on offense we have a tendency to become jumpshot-happy and we quit attacking the basket. even if posey is brought back i would like to see less of him at the 4.

[nickagneta]

Its probably near blasphemous - but I felt Posey REALLY struggled against the quicker wings. Ray Allen and Paul Pierce pretty much had Kobe the entire finals, and with good reason - Posey would have been worked.

Maybe he would have been worked; but the fact is that when he guarded Kobe, he wasn't. And of course he was assigned to Odom most of the time. When exactly has he struggled against quicker wings?

I agree, and said this many times, but i felt like against quicker wings he was playing d with his hands and not his feet. I know people are going to say, "well how'd he still draw so many charges?", which without looking at film I simply can't answer, but there is certainly a difference between positioning (especially on help D) and lateral quickness in-regards to making those plays. I too felt like he was struggling against quicker players. It's just what i saw, I can't defend it any better then that.

Okay, but do you remember one of those games? I'd like to re-watch them. And there's no one in the NBA who can play lockdown 1on1 defense on every type of player, from Wade to LeBron, from Rip to Manu, not even Bowen or Ross, at least since the no-handchecking rule; their skill set is just too widely varied. You have to assess the balance and your needs. And Posey also offers the defense on PFs. 

Yeah try rewatching the Cleveland series games 3-7. Posey was pretty much cooked on LeBron because LeBron had him on the first step and in most times Posey couldn't recover. I think it was 2nd quarter game 3 or 4 where Posey guarded Lebron when Pierce went out at the 7 minute mark or so. lebron got hot because Posey couldn't contain him and the help defense wasn't as good as it had been or would get so Lebron scored like 8 straight points in 3 minutes.

Some other games? I remember those ones quite vividly and that never happened, you can check with the play-by-play. In game 7, Lebron was hot during the all game. Game 5 was the one that Doc played Posey to stop LeBron because he started 9-12 or something. I remember LeBron going hot at the beginning of the 2nd half in Game 6, but it was Pierce guarding him. It's a honest question, I don't really remember that.

Game 5 2nd quarter:

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/playbyplay?gameId=280514002

8:08 Posey enters the game for Pierce. LeBron on the bench.
6:31 LeBron enters the game. In the next 3 minutes he scores 8 points. 4 on Posey and 4 on Pierce.

During the time before Pierce replaced Posey LeBron set on AV for a layup by easily getting free of Posey. Garnett blocked the shot.

Next possession LeBron drives right by Posey for a layup.

Next possession Posey is forced to foul LeBron who makes both FTs. A cold Pierce replaces Posey.

LeBron once again drives the lane now that he is feeling it and gets fouled. 2 FTs.

Next possession LeBron drains a bomb

With Pierce now exclusively guarding LeBron, LeBron goes scoreless for over 12 minutes and doesn't score again until the 44 second mark of the third quarter.

I'm surprised you can't remember that since Doc removing Posey from guarding LeBron from that point forward except for a short stint here and there was one of the best coaching moves Doc made in the series and may be what won the C's the series.

Pierce pretty much had LeBron from that point forward.

Strange that you don't remember that.

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Its probably near blasphemous - but I felt Posey REALLY struggled against the quicker wings. Ray Allen and Paul Pierce pretty much had Kobe the entire finals, and with good reason - Posey would have been worked.

Maybe he would have been worked; but the fact is that when he guarded Kobe, he wasn't. And of course he was assigned to Odom most of the time. When exactly has he struggled against quicker wings?

I agree, and said this many times, but i felt like against quicker wings he was playing d with his hands and not his feet. I know people are going to say, "well how'd he still draw so many charges?", which without looking at film I simply can't answer, but there is certainly a difference between positioning (especially on help D) and lateral quickness in-regards to making those plays. I too felt like he was struggling against quicker players. It's just what i saw, I can't defend it any better then that.

Okay, but do you remember one of those games? I'd like to re-watch them. And there's no one in the NBA who can play lockdown 1on1 defense on every type of player, from Wade to LeBron, from Rip to Manu, not even Bowen or Ross, at least since the no-handchecking rule; their skill set is just too widely varied. You have to assess the balance and your needs. And Posey also offers the defense on PFs. 

Yeah try rewatching the Cleveland series games 3-7. Posey was pretty much cooked on LeBron because LeBron had him on the first step and in most times Posey couldn't recover. I think it was 2nd quarter game 3 or 4 where Posey guarded Lebron when Pierce went out at the 7 minute mark or so. lebron got hot because Posey couldn't contain him and the help defense wasn't as good as it had been or would get so Lebron scored like 8 straight points in 3 minutes.

Some other games? I remember those ones quite vividly and that never happened, you can check with the play-by-play. In game 7, Lebron was hot during the all game. Game 5 was the one that Doc played Posey to stop LeBron because he started 9-12 or something. I remember LeBron going hot at the beginning of the 2nd half in Game 6, but it was Pierce guarding him. It's a honest question, I don't really remember that.

Game 5 2nd quarter:

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/playbyplay?gameId=280514002

8:08 Posey enters the game for Pierce. LeBron on the bench.
6:31 LeBron enters the game. In the next 3 minutes he scores 8 points. 4 on Posey and 4 on Pierce.

During the time before Pierce replaced Posey LeBron set on AV for a layup by easily getting free of Posey. Garnett blocked the shot.

Next possession LeBron drives right by Posey for a layup.

Next possession Posey is forced to foul LeBron who makes both FTs. A cold Pierce replaces Posey.

LeBron once again drives the lane now that he is feeling it and gets fouled. 2 FTs.

Next possession LeBron drains a bomb

With Pierce now exclusively guarding LeBron, LeBron goes scoreless for over 12 minutes and doesn't score again until the 44 second mark of the third quarter.

I'm surprised you can't remember that since Doc removing Posey from guarding LeBron from that point forward except for a short stint here and there was one of the best coaching moves Doc made in the series and may be what won the C's the series.

Pierce pretty much had LeBron from that point forward.

Strange that you don't remember that.

Well, I didn't remember him scoring 8 points in 3 minutes during games 3 or 4. He scored a layup and drew a foul during game 5.