As far as that being all I have, I gave you names of other guys that I think are better than TA out there. All of them are options. Just because you don't like them as options doesn't mean they aren't valid, or that your assessment of them is accurate. I do know what I see in TA though and that is absolute garbage. He's not even that solid of a defender anymore. I hope he recovers from his injury and gets that part of his game back, because if he doesn't he won't be in this league very long.
The main problem is not wether I like them or not, the problem is wether they can be had or not. I highly doubt it.
As far as me not liking them and you liking them is a non-issue to me. If you feel comfortable with them fine, I don't even want to argue that. I think TA brings more to the table than some of them. But the real question is can they be had. I think not.
We get Posey for 3.2 million and House at whatever, and suddenly we start believing people will come here to play for nothing? I don't see it.
Anyways, other than it would be quite difficult to have any of them... they don't fit the role I want TA playing. I also only suggested TA in the case that all we get is Posey and House. Time and time again I've said that TA's replacement should be a decent sized SG that can play some point or a big PG that can guard SG. This role may very well be fulfilled by Pruitt, but I don't want to rely on him. This will give us versatility in our units both offensively and defensively, plus give us decent depth.
I think we are close in our goals, as I hope we sign Posey and House and none of this even matters. However, if you look at the topic we are in, we are discussing what we can do if Posey or Magette both go to other places. The this becomes crucial. TA shouldn't even come into play here because he doesn't fill Poey or House's shoes as he is not a legitimate PG because he is a turnover crazed player at the point. He doesn't play SF so he isn't going to give you Posey's ability to guard bigger players like Lebron. He can't really play the 2 due to the fact that he can't shoot a lick. I still can't seem to understand this infatuation with a 2 guard who can't dribble or shoot and at best is currently a decent defender. He is so limited that you could almost sign ANYONE and they would be as valuable as he is. Replacing TA is not the discussion. YOU could probably replace the guy...
In a perfect world we sign Posey and House. Giddens or Pruitt are able to step up and fill TA's limited need role. We get one more scrub type PG who could bring the ball up under pressure and a big man who is big enough to bang with the big centers to backup Perk. That all hinges on Posey signing though. This is the only reason that I am able to comprehend overpaying the guy. Just not a 5 year contract. Overpay for 3-4, not 5.
I know fully well what topic we're in, but as always sub-topics arise inside threads and discussions go astray...
Here's the goal I want from the bench in addition to whatever House brings. If you think Pruitt is the man, then we're on. Even if Pruitt is the man, I still feel TA can be added for depth, but let's forget that for now... focus on these things I want our bench, our guards, to able to do:
1) Capable ballhandler (Pruitt should be fully capable)
2) Capable of defending big guards that like to post up (House can't do it, Pruitt?, here's where I like Allen if Pruitt is not what we expect)
3) A highly energetic and athletic small ball unit that can play defense that includes Rondo and Garnett (I can envision a Rondo-TA-Giddens-Posey-Garnett combination being quite successful). Maybe Pruitt can play the TA role, who knows? Is he more capable defensively? Does he go stronger to the basket than TA? Does his shot make up for it? Does he rebound better? I don't know.
4) Depth. For the PG position (TA is not what you want in a PG, but if injuries come by... that he's capable of playing it should be useful, as bad as he is...)
Those are my goals, and what I'd want to see. Other than Pruitt being an X Factor, can Kareem Rush help in establishing any of those? All of them? Who else can we bring instead of TA to do it?
I think your judgement of Tony being complete garbage is highly inaccurate, but whatever. Let's not focus on that.
I haven't overrated Roger Mason offensively one bit. He's a poorer shooter than House, but the fact that he can attack the basket and create for himself makes him a better offensive player than House. House is great as a spot up shooter, that's it... it's not hard to have a better offensive player than him.
Depends on what you are looking for in this offense system. House creates spacing and is rarely not on the floor with Pierce who plays the distribution role. Mason can create his own shot, but he's not much of a distributor. Personally, I don't believe that a guy with a below average shot who can create one provides as much value as you.
Offensively, I see House as more useful in general. Defensively, I agreed that Mason was better and he is probably a more complete player. But the difference between Posey and the guys you mentioned AND House and Mason is bigger.
You tried to suggest if Posey signs, there would be no House. With the non bird rights piece, that's likely not true unless Danny passes.
The reason I'm done with the discussino is because we're going to have Corey, and that'll be the end of it.
If that happens, both of us will be happy.
If it doesn't, I'd view Barnes and Jones as **** poor replacements to Posey AND Mason doesn't make up the difference.
It's fine that we disagree. As I've said, even though I think Posey is not worth the full MLE, I'm fine with giving it to him. I just hope that Danny is not blindly giving it to him just to keep him... that he's exploring all the options that are out there. If he concludes that the best way to improve our team is to give him the full MLE, then that's the way it'll be. But I see a lot of validity in looking at other options, who are younger and quite capable of having a good role in this team.
And as I've said before, that was just a quick sample of some combinations that I think can be better than a Posey + min. vet. guy. Who knows what Danny could get out of the MLE... maybe he can come up with a decent wing, pg, and center out of it. Who knows.
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