I think it's possible we could get both Posey and Maggette

[rondohondo]

This morning on WEEI  on the Dale and Holly show, Dale made a very good point. The celtics MUST have offered Maggette a longer deal then James Posey because Posey would have signed a 4 yea full MLE . So does this upset James Posey knowing that the organization offered Maggette a longer deal after he helped them win it all ? I would think so....

So if James is ****ed off and Maggette wants to be a starter somewhere else, we kind of screwed ourselves......

[tmcdon]

There is a salary cap in place but it is, technically, a soft cap.  So saying that the Celtics can't have both Posey and Maggette is falacy.  It simply depends on how much the owners are willing to pay luxury tax.  If the owners are ok with paying an extra $5mil a year to match what they pay Magette or Posey then that's their business, and so far these owners have exhibited a willingness to spend money if the quality talent is there. 

[BudweiserCeltic]

This morning on WEEI  on the Dale and Holly show, Dale made a very good point. The celtics MUST have offered Maggette a longer deal then James Posey because Posey would have signed a 4 yea full MLE . So does this upset James Posey knowing that the organization offered Maggette a longer deal after he helped them win it all ? I would think so....

So if James is ****ed off and Maggette wants to be a starter somewhere else, we kind of screwed ourselves......

I don't think they even offered James full MLE.

Yep I agree with you, but once again, we could have a very effective small ball unit capable of defending. My previous plan was with Tony Allen. Now it's with Maggette.

You put Rondo at the one, Giddens at the 2 (he was the 3 in the previous plan), Maggette at the 3, Posey at the 4, and Garnett at the 5. Extremely athletic small ball unit. It has some shooters to spread the floor, people that can run the floor well and finish strongly around the basket.

This is don't know much about though, so I'm just going to throw it out there to see if anyone can dispell the idea since I don't know much about Maggette's handle. Does he has a good enough handle on the ball, you know like better than Tony Allen? Because if so, a unit with him as the PG, Giddens at the 2, Posey at the 3, Powe at the 4, and a Center (KG, or whomever) could be an effective unit. This unit should be able to rack-up a ton of shooting fouls. So the question is, can Maggette do it... I've never focused on his dribbling skills.

I don't think there'll be too much trouble through the season as they'd just cut the Big 3's numbers. But come playoff time, their minutes might change... but once we get there, I don't think it'll be much of a problem.

I'm of the opinion that we should have two of the "big three" on the floor at all times.  I think small ball has proven effective in spurts, but it has also left us vulnerable to being outrebounded at times.  I think it's a nice part-time strategy, but to incorporate as a major and consistent part of our offense is not ideal for me.

The team just hasn't been as good with Posey at PF as it has with him at SF.  To commit to that plan full-time, I think, is a mistake. 

As for Maggette's handle compared to Tony's, it's much better.  Maggette is one of the more effective players in getting to the hoop and drawing contact, in part because he has solid ball-handling skills.  I'm not sure if I'd say they're point guard worthy, but they're at a different level than Tony's.

Yeah, it's not a full-time strategy... just a unit that I see being very effective at times. I just feel that with the players we had last year, we really didn't have the pieces to run a good small ball unit. What I'm proposing is a legit small ball unit. Yes we had shooters, but Ray doesn't run the floor well and Rondo doesn't make accurate passes to help our shooters out.

I think the key here is Giddens AND an athletic 2 or 3 (that's why I've been adamant about Giddens not being Tony's replacement, but an addition)... I think it'll transform our small ball unit drastically compared to last year's. And the defensive component can't be discounted. Yes it's not our best defensive unit, but I can envision this being an effective defensive unit... as good defensively as you can expect from a small unit. Then you add that to the transition opportunities and easy baskets and we've got potential to outscore an opponent in a hurry. Have to consider that this could be employeed even better when playing against the bench of other teams.

Anyways, it's a different look, it's an option we have available.

[crownsy]

There is a salary cap in place but it is, technically, a soft cap.  So saying that the Celtics can't have both Posey and Maggette is falacy.  It simply depends on how much the owners are willing to pay luxury tax.  If the owners are ok with paying an extra $5mil a year to match what they pay Magette or Posey then that's their business, and so far these owners have exhibited a willingness to spend money if the quality talent is there. 

no, what your saying is a fallacy, we can't offer whatever we want, we have two options.

while its true the cap is soft, you have to have the intial money to offer contracts. We have none avalable outside of the MLE and the LLE. you cant just offer a contract in the NBA, you have to be under cap. the only thing the soft cap means is that once your past the intial offer, you can up the terms.

the only exception is we can offer posey bird rights, but those are capped at a certain amount.

[BudweiserCeltic]

There is a salary cap in place but it is, technically, a soft cap.  So saying that the Celtics can't have both Posey and Maggette is falacy.  It simply depends on how much the owners are willing to pay luxury tax.  If the owners are ok with paying an extra $5mil a year to match what they pay Magette or Posey then that's their business, and so far these owners have exhibited a willingness to spend money if the quality talent is there. 

no, what your saying is a fallacy, we can't offer whatever we want, we have two options.

while its true the cap is soft, you have to have the intial money to offer contracts. We have none avalable outside of the MLE and the LLE. you cant just offer a contract in the NBA, you have to be under cap. the only thing the soft cap means is that once your past the intial offer, you can up the terms.

the only exception is we can offer posey bird rights, but those are capped at a certain amount.

non-Bird rights for Posey. Two seasons more and he'd get the bird rights.

[crownsy]

There is a salary cap in place but it is, technically, a soft cap.  So saying that the Celtics can't have both Posey and Maggette is falacy.  It simply depends on how much the owners are willing to pay luxury tax.  If the owners are ok with paying an extra $5mil a year to match what they pay Magette or Posey then that's their business, and so far these owners have exhibited a willingness to spend money if the quality talent is there. 

no, what your saying is a fallacy, we can't offer whatever we want, we have two options.

while its true the cap is soft, you have to have the intial money to offer contracts. We have none avalable outside of the MLE and the LLE. you cant just offer a contract in the NBA, you have to be under cap. the only thing the soft cap means is that once your past the intial offer, you can up the terms.

the only exception is we can offer posey bird rights, but those are capped at a certain amount.

non-Bird rights for Posey. Two seasons more and he'd get the bird rights.

ah, my mistake, TP for you, it is non-bird rights.

[indeedproceed]

There is a salary cap in place but it is, technically, a soft cap.  So saying that the Celtics can't have both Posey and Maggette is falacy.  It simply depends on how much the owners are willing to pay luxury tax.  If the owners are ok with paying an extra $5mil a year to match what they pay Magette or Posey then that's their business, and so far these owners have exhibited a willingness to spend money if the quality talent is there. 

Yeah thats completely wrong. I think you're confused about how the salary cap works.

[ACF]

if we could somehow make it happen... it would be SICK


in almost completely unrelated news.... my wife (The Warden) has made it known, that if the NBA Champion Boston Celtics (it never gets old) sign Ty Lue, she WILL NOT watch a game this year....
she's still kinda stuck on when he played for the lakers.... most of us hated horry.. she wanted Lue to DIE...
so, if you were to say she's a tad upset about the potential of this man in green, it would be a HUGE understatement....

The Warden watches b-ball?!
You must be One Happy Prisoner.
Does the Warden have a sister?

(Hey, baby, I'm only joking. Stop hitting me!)

[Roy Hobbs]

There is a salary cap in place but it is, technically, a soft cap.  So saying that the Celtics can't have both Posey and Maggette is falacy.  It simply depends on how much the owners are willing to pay luxury tax.  If the owners are ok with paying an extra $5mil a year to match what they pay Magette or Posey then that's their business, and so far these owners have exhibited a willingness to spend money if the quality talent is there. 

I think this was explained to you by multiple posters yesterday, but you're incorrect.  While it is true that it's technically possible to sign both Maggette and Posey, we can't make them any contract offer we want. 

Instead, any contract offer has to fall within certain limited "exceptions", which each have dollar caps put on them ($5.8m total for the MLE to be allocated as we see fit, the $1.91 million LLE, a "non-Bird" offer to Posey that is slightly less than $4 million next year, etc.)

You're implying that if the Celtics wanted, they could offer Posey and Maggette each, say, $6 million per season.  That's simply inaccurate.

Again, I would implore you to check out http://members.cox.net/lmcoon/salarycap.htm#19.  People are already confused enough without the spread of misinformation, stated as fact.

[bandonox]

if we could somehow make it happen... it would be SICK


in almost completely unrelated news.... my wife (The Warden) has made it known, that if the NBA Champion Boston Celtics (it never gets old) sign Ty Lue, she WILL NOT watch a game this year....
she's still kinda stuck on when he played for the lakers.... most of us hated horry.. she wanted Lue to DIE...
so, if you were to say she's a tad upset about the potential of this man in green, it would be a HUGE understatement....

The Warden watches b-ball?!
You must be One Happy Prisoner.
Does the Warden have a sister?

(Hey, baby, I'm only joking. Stop hitting me!)

it's the best prison EVER.. sister's married..,. i know..."crap"

[Who]

I think the only question there is, where do the minutes come from?  I think Maggette and Posey care about winning, but they also care about having a consistent role.

Yeah I don't think there's any chance of getting both. They're quality players who want to play game in game out. There isn't the minutes. Bad situation for them and there's better situations elsewhere.

One of the two works fine.

[BudweiserCeltic]

This morning on WEEI  on the Dale and Holly show, Dale made a very good point. The celtics MUST have offered Maggette a longer deal then James Posey because Posey would have signed a 4 yea full MLE . So does this upset James Posey knowing that the organization offered Maggette a longer deal after he helped them win it all ? I would think so....

So if James is ****ed off and Maggette wants to be a starter somewhere else, we kind of screwed ourselves......

I don't think they even offered James full MLE.

Yep I agree with you, but once again, we could have a very effective small ball unit capable of defending. My previous plan was with Tony Allen. Now it's with Maggette.

You put Rondo at the one, Giddens at the 2 (he was the 3 in the previous plan), Maggette at the 3, Posey at the 4, and Garnett at the 5. Extremely athletic small ball unit. It has some shooters to spread the floor, people that can run the floor well and finish strongly around the basket.

This is don't know much about though, so I'm just going to throw it out there to see if anyone can dispell the idea since I don't know much about Maggette's handle. Does he has a good enough handle on the ball, you know like better than Tony Allen? Because if so, a unit with him as the PG, Giddens at the 2, Posey at the 3, Powe at the 4, and a Center (KG, or whomever) could be an effective unit. This unit should be able to rack-up a ton of shooting fouls. So the question is, can Maggette do it... I've never focused on his dribbling skills.

I don't think there'll be too much trouble through the season as they'd just cut the Big 3's numbers. But come playoff time, their minutes might change... but once we get there, I don't think it'll be much of a problem.

I'm of the opinion that we should have two of the "big three" on the floor at all times.  I think small ball has proven effective in spurts, but it has also left us vulnerable to being outrebounded at times.  I think it's a nice part-time strategy, but to incorporate as a major and consistent part of our offense is not ideal for me.

The team just hasn't been as good with Posey at PF as it has with him at SF.  To commit to that plan full-time, I think, is a mistake. 

As for Maggette's handle compared to Tony's, it's much better.  Maggette is one of the more effective players in getting to the hoop and drawing contact, in part because he has solid ball-handling skills.  I'm not sure if I'd say they're point guard worthy, but they're at a different level than Tony's.

Yeah, it's not a full-time strategy... just a unit that I see being very effective at times. I just feel that with the players we had last year, we really didn't have the pieces to run a good small ball unit. What I'm proposing is a legit small ball unit. Yes we had shooters, but Ray doesn't run the floor well and Rondo doesn't make accurate passes to help our shooters out.

I think the key here is Giddens AND an athletic 2 or 3 (that's why I've been adamant about Giddens not being Tony's replacement, but an addition)... I think it'll transform our small ball unit drastically compared to last year's. And the defensive component can't be discounted. Yes it's not our best defensive unit, but I can envision this being an effective defensive unit... as good defensively as you can expect from a small unit. Then you add that to the transition opportunities and easy baskets and we've got potential to outscore an opponent in a hurry. Have to consider that this could be employeed even better when playing against the bench of other teams.

Anyways, it's a different look, it's an option we have available.

Also Roy, I don't think it's necessary to have 2 of the big 3 in the floor at the same time. Maybe during the playoffs, but not really through the season. I saw it as a need more last season, but Corey Maggette is a starter-quality player in his own right, so it should relieve the need to have 2 of the big 3 in the floor.

Anyways, it's highly unlikely that we get both. It's still unlikely that we get Maggette, and just getting Posey isn't a foregone conclusion.  But if it's minutes we're worried about, I think it's a good problem to have  ; especially when you consider the luxury of being able to play the big 3 less minutes through the season.

[cordobes]

Yeah,

Also Roy, I don't think it's necessary to have 2 of the big 3 in the floor at the same time. Maybe during the playoffs, but not really through the season. I saw it as a need more last season, but Corey Maggette is a starter-quality player in his own right, so it should relieve the need to have 2 of the big 3 in the floor.

Absolutely. Having Maggette/Posey as wingers would work perfectly. A very good defender who could take care of the best offensive winger of the opponent and hit 3s and a great slasher who can create his own shot. A team of Rondo/Corey/Posey/Powe/Perkins can easily be competitive for extended minutes. As always, the problem is that Maggette is not walking through that door.

[ScoobyDoo]

I think it depends on how much the ownership is willing to spend. That is probably determined by how much they see they have made and are making by winning.

I could see it happening this way:

Maggette takes the full MLE.

With Pollard, House & TAllen off the books that's about $5mil. So if we then match a Posey offer sheet for $6 mil a year we are not that much futher in the hole financially...fill in the other two spots with lle and/or Vet min contracts...

It's possible.   

[BudweiserCeltic]

I think it depends on how much the ownership is willing to spend. That is probably determined by how much they see they have made and are making by winning.

I could see it happening this way:

Maggette takes the full MLE.

With Pollard, House & TAllen off the books that's about $5mil. So if we then match a Posey offer sheet for $6 mil a year we are not that much futher in the hole financially...fill in the other two spots with lle and/or Vet min contracts...

It's possible.   

Posey is not a restricted free-agent, we can't match any offer sheet.