I think it's possible we could get both Posey and Maggette

[celticnorespect]

The question is how much are they willing to shell out?  What a heck of a team we would have if we got both of them, maybe I'm a little too optimistic but I think we could.

[rondohondo]

not going to happen. Both of them are going to get the full MLE. It's one or the other

[crownsy]

The question is how much are they willing to shell out?  What a heck of a team we would have if we got both of them, maybe I'm a little too optimistic but I think we could.

one of them would have to work for pretty much the league minimum. I don't see either giving that massive of a hometown discount.

CM, in particular, is going to be underpaid where ever he goes, so he will want the full MLe (still a bargin)

Posey, contrary to hope from some, is not going to sign a bird exception and pass up millions of dollars from one of the other teams offering him the MLE, nor should he.

[Roy Hobbs]

I think the only question there is, where do the minutes come from?  I think Maggette and Posey care about winning, but they also care about having a consistent role.

Posey would presumably have to slide into the role of full-time backup power forward.  However, he just isn't very effective there statistically; he was much better as a small forward last season.  If Posey is the full-time backup PF, that limits the minutes of Powe, et. al., as well.

While it's technically possible to sign both, I think realistically it isn't very practical.

[RockinRyA]

well have one wing too many

[timepiece33]

Too many wings.   

Don't see Maggette taking the MLE to be a backup.   It's a nice concept, but there are other teams with a bigger need at SG/SF where he acts as a gap closer.   San Antonio is two years removed from a championship AND is in a state with tremendous tax advantages for a pro athlete.

I also believe the talk about Posey taking the non Bird rights contract is far fetched. 

[BudweiserCeltic]

I think the only question there is, where do the minutes come from?  I think Maggette and Posey care about winning, but they also care about having a consistent role.

Posey would presumably have to slide into the role of full-time backup power forward.  However, he just isn't very effective there statistically; he was much better as a small forward last season.  If Posey is the full-time backup PF, that limits the minutes of Powe, et. al., as well.

While it's technically possible to sign both, I think realistically it isn't very practical.

Yep I agree with you, but once again, we could have a very effective small ball unit capable of defending. My previous plan was with Tony Allen. Now it's with Maggette.

You put Rondo at the one, Giddens at the 2 (he was the 3 in the previous plan), Maggette at the 3, Posey at the 4, and Garnett at the 5. Extremely athletic small ball unit. It has some shooters to spread the floor, people that can run the floor well and finish strongly around the basket.

This is don't know much about though, so I'm just going to throw it out there to see if anyone can dispell the idea since I don't know much about Maggette's handle. Does he has a good enough handle on the ball, you know like better than Tony Allen? Because if so, a unit with him as the PG, Giddens at the 2, Posey at the 3, Powe at the 4, and a Center (KG, or whomever) could be an effective unit. This unit should be able to rack-up a ton of shooting fouls. So the question is, can Maggette do it... I've never focused on his dribbling skills.

I don't think there'll be too much trouble through the season as they'd just cut the Big 3's numbers. But come playoff time, their minutes might change... but once we get there, I don't think it'll be much of a problem.

[spelz]

I think the only question there is, where do the minutes come from?  I think Maggette and Posey care about winning, but they also care about having a consistent role.

Posey would presumably have to slide into the role of full-time backup power forward.  However, he just isn't very effective there statistically; he was much better as a small forward last season.  If Posey is the full-time backup PF, that limits the minutes of Powe, et. al., as well.

While it's technically possible to sign both, I think realistically it isn't very practical.

I don't like any smallball unit that desn't have Paul or Ray on it.  Smallball means you better have consistent shooting outside to make up for the lack of size inside.  Can't do that without your two best shooters.

Yep I agree with you, but once again, we could have a very effective small ball unit capable of defending. My previous plan was with Tony Allen. Now it's with Maggette.

You put Rondo at the one, Giddens at the 2 (he was the 3 in the previous plan), Maggette at the 3, Posey at the 4, and Garnett at the 5. Extremely athletic small ball unit. It has some shooters to spread the floor, people that can run the floor well and finish strongly around the basket.

This is don't know much about though, so I'm just going to throw it out there to see if anyone can dispell the idea since I don't know much about Maggette's handle. Does he has a good enough handle on the ball, you know like better than Tony Allen? Because if so, a unit with him as the PG, Giddens at the 2, Posey at the 3, Powe at the 4, and a Center (KG, or whomever) could be an effective unit. This unit should be able to rack-up a ton of shooting fouls. So the question is, can Maggette do it... I've never focused on his dribbling skills.

I don't think there'll be too much trouble through the season as they'd just cut the Big 3's numbers. But come playoff time, their minutes might change... but once we get there, I don't think it'll be much of a problem.

[BudweiserCeltic]

I don't like any smallball unit that desn't have Paul or Ray on it.  Smallball means you better have consistent shooting outside to make up for the lack of size inside.  Can't do that without your two best shooters.

Or it means you have a team that can run up the floor the well and finish strongly inside. Maggette is no slouch shooting the ball. Posey is a good outside shooter. Garnett has a great midrange jumper.

The idea is for this to be used while Ray and Pierce are resting.

But I'll also repeat what I've said a million times before here... our small ball unit, is really not that small of small ball. We're quite big still when we go small. Our small ball is bigger than most. So it doesn't need to be the conventional "we need shooters" to play small ball.

[Jon]

I think the only question there is, where do the minutes come from?  I think Maggette and Posey care about winning, but they also care about having a consistent role.

Posey would presumably have to slide into the role of full-time backup power forward.  However, he just isn't very effective there statistically; he was much better as a small forward last season.  If Posey is the full-time backup PF, that limits the minutes of Powe, et. al., as well.

While it's technically possible to sign both, I think realistically it isn't very practical.

Yep I agree with you, but once again, we could have a very effective small ball unit capable of defending. My previous plan was with Tony Allen. Now it's with Maggette.

You put Rondo at the one, Giddens at the 2 (he was the 3 in the previous plan), Maggette at the 3, Posey at the 4, and Garnett at the 5. Extremely athletic small ball unit. It has some shooters to spread the floor, people that can run the floor well and finish strongly around the basket.

This is don't know much about though, so I'm just going to throw it out there to see if anyone can dispell the idea since I don't know much about Maggette's handle. Does he has a good enough handle on the ball, you know like better than Tony Allen? Because if so, a unit with him as the PG, Giddens at the 2, Posey at the 3, Powe at the 4, and a Center (KG, or whomever) could be an effective unit. This unit should be able to rack-up a ton of shooting fouls. So the question is, can Maggette do it... I've never focused on his dribbling skills.

I don't think there'll be too much trouble through the season as they'd just cut the Big 3's numbers. But come playoff time, their minutes might change... but once we get there, I don't think it'll be much of a problem.

Of course you could run an athletic lineup like hte one above or maybe even one with Maggette at the 1, but for how many minutes a game could you do that?  5 minutes or so?  It still doesn't solve the minutes crunch.

Not only is there not money to sign Posey and Maggette, as Roy said, there's not enough minutes to keep both interested. 

[guava_wrench]

The question is how much are they willing to shell out?  What a heck of a team we would have if we got both of them, maybe I'm a little too optimistic but I think we could.

You can't just shell out money. There is a salary cap.

This isn't baseball.

[bandonox]

if we could somehow make it happen... it would be SICK


in almost completely unrelated news.... my wife (The Warden) has made it known, that if the NBA Champion Boston Celtics (it never gets old) sign Ty Lue, she WILL NOT watch a game this year....
she's still kinda stuck on when he played for the lakers.... most of us hated horry.. she wanted Lue to DIE...
so, if you were to say she's a tad upset about the potential of this man in green, it would be a HUGE understatement....

[BudweiserCeltic]

I think the only question there is, where do the minutes come from?  I think Maggette and Posey care about winning, but they also care about having a consistent role.

Posey would presumably have to slide into the role of full-time backup power forward.  However, he just isn't very effective there statistically; he was much better as a small forward last season.  If Posey is the full-time backup PF, that limits the minutes of Powe, et. al., as well.

While it's technically possible to sign both, I think realistically it isn't very practical.

Yep I agree with you, but once again, we could have a very effective small ball unit capable of defending. My previous plan was with Tony Allen. Now it's with Maggette.

You put Rondo at the one, Giddens at the 2 (he was the 3 in the previous plan), Maggette at the 3, Posey at the 4, and Garnett at the 5. Extremely athletic small ball unit. It has some shooters to spread the floor, people that can run the floor well and finish strongly around the basket.

This is don't know much about though, so I'm just going to throw it out there to see if anyone can dispell the idea since I don't know much about Maggette's handle. Does he has a good enough handle on the ball, you know like better than Tony Allen? Because if so, a unit with him as the PG, Giddens at the 2, Posey at the 3, Powe at the 4, and a Center (KG, or whomever) could be an effective unit. This unit should be able to rack-up a ton of shooting fouls. So the question is, can Maggette do it... I've never focused on his dribbling skills.

I don't think there'll be too much trouble through the season as they'd just cut the Big 3's numbers. But come playoff time, their minutes might change... but once we get there, I don't think it'll be much of a problem.

Of course you could run an athletic lineup like hte one above or maybe even one with Maggette at the 1, but for how many minutes a game could you do that?  5 minutes or so?  It still doesn't solve the minutes crunch.

Not only is there not money to sign Posey and Maggette, as Roy said, there's not enough minutes to keep both interested. 

These are only examples of units you could through for 5 to 10 minutes in a game, with variations. You also combine their playing time with Ray and Pierce, subbing one in and out. There's plenty of room. Both Posey and Maggette could easily get at least 25 minutes a night.

The units I brought up was not to show units to take the bulk of their playing time, but units that could extend the estimated playing time.

Let's use the Spurs. Bowen 30 minutes, Finley 27 minutes, Manu 31 minutes. I know they're a bit skewed because of injuries, but there's enough playing time for everyone, and Doc won't hesitate to use these guys over Allen and Pierce throughout the season.

[Donoghus]

I don't see any realistic scenario where we'd get the both of them to play in Boston.

The money will dictate that.

[Roy Hobbs]

Yep I agree with you, but once again, we could have a very effective small ball unit capable of defending. My previous plan was with Tony Allen. Now it's with Maggette.

You put Rondo at the one, Giddens at the 2 (he was the 3 in the previous plan), Maggette at the 3, Posey at the 4, and Garnett at the 5. Extremely athletic small ball unit. It has some shooters to spread the floor, people that can run the floor well and finish strongly around the basket.

This is don't know much about though, so I'm just going to throw it out there to see if anyone can dispell the idea since I don't know much about Maggette's handle. Does he has a good enough handle on the ball, you know like better than Tony Allen? Because if so, a unit with him as the PG, Giddens at the 2, Posey at the 3, Powe at the 4, and a Center (KG, or whomever) could be an effective unit. This unit should be able to rack-up a ton of shooting fouls. So the question is, can Maggette do it... I've never focused on his dribbling skills.

I don't think there'll be too much trouble through the season as they'd just cut the Big 3's numbers. But come playoff time, their minutes might change... but once we get there, I don't think it'll be much of a problem.

I'm of the opinion that we should have two of the "big three" on the floor at all times.  I think small ball has proven effective in spurts, but it has also left us vulnerable to being outrebounded at times.  I think it's a nice part-time strategy, but to incorporate as a major and consistent part of our offense is not ideal for me.

The team just hasn't been as good with Posey at PF as it has with him at SF.  To commit to that plan full-time, I think, is a mistake. 

As for Maggette's handle compared to Tony's, it's much better.  Maggette is one of the more effective players in getting to the hoop and drawing contact, in part because he has solid ball-handling skills.  I'm not sure if I'd say they're point guard worthy, but they're at a different level than Tony's.