Maggette says he could be willing to take pay cut to come to Boston

[BCelts]

5 million is a lot of money anywhere.
I'd go for the ring, because you won't be
remembered for making a lot of money.
You'll be remembered for the ring and
how you earned it.
I'm sure Corey has enough money to last
him a couple of years or so 

It is all a matter of perspective.  For the guy with no money, $1,000 is a fortune.  For the guy making $50,000, $10,000 is a hugh amount of money.  For the guy making $500,000, $100,000 is a fortune, and so on.  Just because these guys are on a different scale of salary than I am does not mean that they don't sweat the 250,000 difference or so in state taxes.  I think they do.

That said, you have a strong point.  First, there are those guys that care more about winning than others, and will take a pay cut to win.  Is Maggette one of them?   I don't know.  Also, there is more money in winning.  If you team wins, you are more valuable the next year, rightly or wrongly.  

[Redz]

If the money's the same or better in San Antonio I'd go there if I was Maggette.  Just seems like a better fit for him.

[BballTim]

  I hate paying taxes as much as the next guy, but Mass tax is 5%, not 30%. If he opted out of $7M, I don't know that $5.8M vs $5.5M will be a huge factor in which team he goes to. It's not like he's desperate for money.

[winsomme]

It's simple: Other than the Clippers or a sign-and-trade to another team, he will receive a pay cut.

And the 1st two options are now gone. 

he could still resign with the Clippers. as crazy as it sounds, maybe they are going for it. i would have never thought they would target Baron. so maybe the stars have realigned and Sterling is actually going to spend serious money.

a team of Baron, Gordon, Maggette, Brand and Kaman is a REALLY good team.

[BCelts]

With the level of disfunctionality our second unit had for the most part through the season and playoffs, I think a capable scorer like Maggette would improve our team much more (especially since he gets to the line with ease) than a good defender off the bench.

And let's not forget, Pierce was the real defender through the playoffs. There was a bit of a dropoff defensively when Posey subbed for Pierce.

You are right on about Pierce's defense versus Posey's defense.  I agree.  I also agree that our second unit showed considerable dysfunction from time to time.  Having said that, we value Posey and Maggette differently.  I think Posey is a better offensive player than given credit for because - although he rarely creates his own shot - he is a dead-eye catch and shoot guy who stretches the defense when playing with someone like pierce or garnett who draws a double team in the post.  Maggette, by comparison, can create his own shot, slash, and is a reasonable shooter, but needs the ball in his hands more.  Yes, Maggette is a better offensive player, but the difference, considering the Celtics other players, is not as vast as might otherwise appear.  Since Posey's defense is far superior to Maggette's lack thereof, and since Posey brings positive locker-room intangibles, I perfer this team with Posey rather than Maggette for the short run.

[rondohondo]

It's simple: Other than the Clippers or a sign-and-trade to another team, he will receive a pay cut.

And the 1st two options are now gone. 

he could still resign with the Clippers. as crazy as it sounds, maybe they are going for it. i would have never thought they would target Baron. so maybe the stars have realigned and Sterling is actually going to spend serious money.

a team of Baron, Gordon, Maggette, Brand and Kaman is a REALLY good team.

they can't sign Maggette because they signed Davis and Brand , no cap room left and no MLE.

[winsomme]

It's simple: Other than the Clippers or a sign-and-trade to another team, he will receive a pay cut.

And the 1st two options are now gone. 

he could still resign with the Clippers. as crazy as it sounds, maybe they are going for it. i would have never thought they would target Baron. so maybe the stars have realigned and Sterling is actually going to spend serious money.

a team of Baron, Gordon, Maggette, Brand and Kaman is a REALLY good team.

they can't sign Maggette because they signed Davis and Brand , no cap room left and no MLE.

so they had to renounce is Bird rights to sign Baron, is that what happened?

i guess they don't need Maggette as much now that they have Thornton.....but the article made it seem like he is still negotiating with the Clipps...

[Brendan]

I can see the Spurs because he can start instead of Bowen.But Orlando? besides off the court benefits which I understand were does he fit in with Lewis and Turka? Unless Turk comes off the bench  Corey would have a similar role with them as well. I think playing in the easteren conference with our big three gives him the best chance at a ring no doubt in my mind.But Spurs might be a better fit for him because he is much better than Bowen.

I think a lot of guys are better defenders than we realize once they put their mind to it. On a team like BOS, SAS, or ORL - its not hard to see Corey playing average - good defense. Just further exposes how bad that Rashard Lewis deal was for ORL. Lewis (a shooter) and Maggette (a slasher) would be a fine combination on the wings. The problem is that they have to play Lewis at the PF spot. ORL should trade Turk now while his stock is high and try and get some size at PF next Howard.

A lot of Posey's minutes came as the PF in small ball. I'd like to see them bring in a solid big man defender who doesn't need a ton of time off the bench, and can be deployed against teams where you need someone besides Perk, to keep KG out of guarding a tough post up big man. But that guy is not in my main rotation. Powe should see the minutes behind Perk and KG this year - he's ready. I also though Posey's lost enough that he can't really play SG that well anymore. He's much better at SF or even as a small PF IMO - and I could be way off on that. So I like the idea of Maggette in that he's fine at either wing position. If we only sign one guy for the MLE - I'd prefer Maggette. If we can get Posey via the non-Bird exception, then I prefer Posey.

[celtpinoy]

so we have one MLE left....so it really boils down to POSEY or MAGGETTE....

how do we settle our backup point guard....just the veteran's minimum left for our dear Eddie House?... how could we get Shaun Levingston or Chris Duhon?

 

[ma11l]

so we have one MLE left....so it really boils down to POSEY or MAGGETTE....

how do we settle our backup point guard....just the veteran's minimum left for our dear Eddie House?... how could we get Shaun Levingston or Chris Duhon?

 

There's still a good chance we don't get either Posey or Maggette.  Corey could end up in Orlando or SA and  Posey could end up in a lot of places.

[BudweiserCeltic]

It's simple: Other than the Clippers or a sign-and-trade to another team, he will receive a pay cut.

And the 1st two options are now gone. 

he could still resign with the Clippers. as crazy as it sounds, maybe they are going for it. i would have never thought they would target Baron. so maybe the stars have realigned and Sterling is actually going to spend serious money.

a team of Baron, Gordon, Maggette, Brand and Kaman is a REALLY good team.

they can't sign Maggette because they signed Davis and Brand , no cap room left and no MLE.

so they had to renounce is Bird rights to sign Baron, is that what happened?

i guess they don't need Maggette as much now that they have Thornton.....but the article made it seem like he is still negotiating with the Clipps...

Well, since you missed out 5 pages of cap discussion lol. Basically the Clippers once they renounced Maggette to be able to sign Davis, a cheaper deal with Brand and renouncing some other free-agents like Livingston, they went so far below the cap that they don't get the exceptions period. They don't recover them once they go over the cap, they don't get them period.

From Roy:

Yes, they did (or, more accurately, they will have to).  Basically, the progression to sign Brand goes like this:

Team payroll + Brand hold + Maggette hold + Livingston hold + $7.6 million (MLE, etc., hold) > salary cap; no room to sign Davis, which is followed by:

Team payroll + Brand hold + Maggette hold + (Livingston renounced) + $7.6 million > salary cap; no room to sign Davis, which is followed by:

Team payroll + Brand signs new, cheaper deal + Maggette hold + (Livingston renounced) + $7.6 million > salary cap; no room to sign Davis, which is followed by:

Team payroll + Brand signs new, cheaper deal + (Maggette renounced) + (Livingston renounced) + $7.6 million < salary cap.  Because the team has now fallen below the magic "salaries + exceptions" cap number, the team loses its MLE.  Any MLE hold disappears, and the team has the salary cap room to sign Davis.

Edit: Just noticed this is a different thread, but there you go.

[fairweatherfan]

Maggette seriously miscalculated by opting out - I assume he figured he wasn't going to have a better year statistically (since Brand was out all year and Cassell left), so he wanted to opt out with his value high and sign/sign-and-trade a big deal.  Unfortunately, he didn't recognize that A. few teams have cap space, and B. he's been around enough to be a known commodity, and isn't as overvalued as he figured.

I think now that Baron is going to the Clips, he'll either sign for decent money in Golden State (assuming Arenas shoots them down, which he probably will), maybe Washington (if Arenas leaves) for some kind of small-ball setup, or he'll get the MLE somewhere.  If he's down to MLE deals the factors will be playing time/role, taxes, and winning, probably in that order.  We can only really offer him the third.  I don't see it happening, and I see the potential of Maggette sulking all year if he came here and realized that 15-20 minutes a game is all he's really going to get.

[ACF]

5 million is a lot of money anywhere.
I'd go for the ring, because you won't be
remembered for making a lot of money.
You'll be remembered for the ring and
how you earned it.
I'm sure Corey has enough money to last
him a couple of years or so 

I'm sure that the Big 3 could give him a couple of millions under the table.

They'd make him go under the table
while flaunting wearing their shiny rings
down there.
Call it an appetizer.

5 million is a lot of money anywhere.
I'd go for the ring, because you won't be
remembered for making a lot of money.
You'll be remembered for the ring and
how you earned it.
I'm sure Corey has enough money to last
him a couple of years or so 

It is all a matter of perspective.  For the guy with no money, $1,000 is a fortune.  For the guy making $50,000, $10,000 is a hugh amount of money.  For the guy making $500,000, $100,000 is a fortune, and so on.  Just because these guys are on a different scale of salary than I am does not mean that they don't sweat the 250,000 difference or so in state taxes.  I think they do.

That said, you have a strong point.  First, there are those guys that care more about winning than others, and will take a pay cut to win.  Is Maggette one of them?   I don't know.  Also, there is more money in winning.  If you team wins, you are more valuable the next year, rightly or wrongly.  

Is food more expensive if you make a million
than if you make 100,000? That's kinda silly.
Sorry, that's just how I feel. If you have the
right decision makers (i.e. agents etc) at your
side, you should be able to make it last.
I'm stressing "should" here.

[winsomme]

It's simple: Other than the Clippers or a sign-and-trade to another team, he will receive a pay cut.

And the 1st two options are now gone. 

he could still resign with the Clippers. as crazy as it sounds, maybe they are going for it. i would have never thought they would target Baron. so maybe the stars have realigned and Sterling is actually going to spend serious money.

a team of Baron, Gordon, Maggette, Brand and Kaman is a REALLY good team.

they can't sign Maggette because they signed Davis and Brand , no cap room left and no MLE.

so they had to renounce is Bird rights to sign Baron, is that what happened?

i guess they don't need Maggette as much now that they have Thornton.....but the article made it seem like he is still negotiating with the Clipps...

Well, since you missed out 5 pages of cap discussion lol. Basically the Clippers once they renounced Maggette to be able to sign Davis, a cheaper deal with Brand and renouncing some other free-agents like Livingston, they went so far below the cap that they don't get the exceptions period. They don't recover them once they go over the cap, they don't get them period.

From Roy:

Yes, they did (or, more accurately, they will have to).  Basically, the progression to sign Brand goes like this:

Team payroll + Brand hold + Maggette hold + Livingston hold + $7.6 million (MLE, etc., hold) > salary cap; no room to sign Davis, which is followed by:

Team payroll + Brand hold + Maggette hold + (Livingston renounced) + $7.6 million > salary cap; no room to sign Davis, which is followed by:

Team payroll + Brand signs new, cheaper deal + Maggette hold + (Livingston renounced) + $7.6 million > salary cap; no room to sign Davis, which is followed by:

Team payroll + Brand signs new, cheaper deal + (Maggette renounced) + (Livingston renounced) + $7.6 million < salary cap.  Because the team has now fallen below the magic "salaries + exceptions" cap number, the team loses its MLE.  Any MLE hold disappears, and the team has the salary cap room to sign Davis.

Edit: Just noticed this is a different thread, but there you go.

yeah, there's like five threads on Maggette going right now....thanks for copy-and-pasting it for me.....

[spelz]

Maggette may be willing to take a pay cut to play for Boton (wich I still don't buy), but does anyone really think he is willing to take a cut to his offensive numbers to play here.  I don't see him willing to sacrifice his scoring and average only 10-15 a game.  Ubuntu may not be in his vocabulary.