S. Livingston no qualifying offer now a Unrestricted FA

[RedVision]

with the clippers turning down signing him what do you think the chances the C's would be interested. i know hes coming off injury problems but we wouldn't need him to contribute this year anyways perhaps. I think it'd be great to continue to add talented youth to our veterans

Livingston/Pruitt
Giddens/Walker
Powe/Baby

Perk/Rondo

http://www.realgm.com/src_wiretap_archives/53267/20080629/no_qualifying_offer_for_clippers_livingston/

[banner17]

I don't see it happening. C's need a proven backup, 2 yrs ago with out question, but now this team needs players to help them win championships. if the Clippers who are going nowhere don't want to take a chance with the injury, the 2008 world champion Boston Celtics won't either.

I just love the way that sounds, I have to say it again, "The 2008 World Champion Boston Celtics!!!"

[lon3lytoaster]

Well if they can sign him for the minimum you kind of have to do it. Danny's always been in love with Livingston and tried trading Pierce him multiple times so it wouldn't surprise me if Danny at least called. 

He's always going to be 6-7 and have great court vision. Yea, he's more injury prone than Bill Walton but could still always become a nice player.

[Who]

The Clippers are still going to sign Livingston or at least try to. They're just not going to pay him $5mil because nobody else will.

There's no way Livingston signs for the minimum to come here for a 10-15mpg role. He'll sign with the team that offers him minutes and hopefully for him more than the minimum. Clippers are the most likely team to do that and the Nuggets could make that interesting with some quality competition.

I'd look elsewhere for a new Celtics guard.

[Brickowski]

I think Livingston's career is over.

[P2]

If he comes really cheap, I woul take him. But at the very least, I would invite him to our free agent minicamp and see how he does.

By the way: No qualifying offer for TA, which means he is also a free agent.

[fairweatherfan06]

I like Livingston.  But he's young and has lots to prove.  I think he'll chase money and minutes, neither of which is in abundance in Boston, if I'm wrong and he wants to show what he can do (and he's not too injured to do it) I think he'd be a good fit on the Celtics.

These are a list of available point guards (taken from Newsday...so this is who the Knicks are looking at in anticipation of jettisoning Marbury)  Of these I like Blake and Mason BTW. Don't mind Lowry either.....

The most effective of the realistic second-tier options, ranked in order of their per-minute efficiency ratings devised by ESPN.com's John Hollinger, are: Jordan Farmar (Lakers), Kyle Lowry (Memphis), Raymond Felton (Charlotte), Chris Quinn (Miami), Roger Mason (Washington), Beno Udrih (Sacramento), Kirk Hinrich (Chicago), Anthony Carter (Denver), Jason Williams (Miami), Jamaal Tinsley (Indiana), Steve Blake (Portland), Janerro Pargo (New Orleans), Luke Ridnour (Seattle) and Marcus Williams (New Jersey).

Of those, only five had at least a 3-1 assist-to-turnover ratio per possession: Blake (3.64), Jason Williams (3.35), Quinn (3.22), Carter 3.12) and Ridnour (3.01). Assist ratio is the percentage of a player's possessions that ends in an assist. Those who ranked highest in this category were Carter (37., Blake (34.6), Tinsley (33.9), Ridnour (33.1), Jason Williams (31.2), Hinrich (30. and Felton (30.1).

The best of the bunch in terms of effective field-goal percentage (which equates two-pointers and three-pointers) were Mason (57.3), Farmar (56.3), Quinn (55.9), Udrih (54.0), Lowry and Carter (both 53.1) and Blake (51..

[Chief]

I don't think a championship team can afford to pick up a player that they can't count on. Having said that, Danny Ainge kind of did that with Pollard this year.

[Chris]

I like Livingston.  But he's young and has lots to prove.  I think he'll chase money and minutes, neither of which is in abundance in Boston, if I'm wrong and he wants to show what he can do (and he's not too injured to do it) I think he'd be a good fit on the Celtics.

These are a list of available point guards (taken from Newsday...so this is who the Knicks are looking at in anticipation of jettisoning Marbury)  Of these I like Blake and Mason BTW. Don't mind Lowry either.....

The most effective of the realistic second-tier options, ranked in order of their per-minute efficiency ratings devised by ESPN.com's John Hollinger, are: Jordan Farmar (Lakers), Kyle Lowry (Memphis), Raymond Felton (Charlotte), Chris Quinn (Miami), Roger Mason (Washington), Beno Udrih (Sacramento), Kirk Hinrich (Chicago), Anthony Carter (Denver), Jason Williams (Miami), Jamaal Tinsley (Indiana), Steve Blake (Portland), Janerro Pargo (New Orleans), Luke Ridnour (Seattle) and Marcus Williams (New Jersey).

Of those, only five had at least a 3-1 assist-to-turnover ratio per possession: Blake (3.64), Jason Williams (3.35), Quinn (3.22), Carter 3.12) and Ridnour (3.01). Assist ratio is the percentage of a player's possessions that ends in an assist. Those who ranked highest in this category were Carter (37., Blake (34.6), Tinsley (33.9), Ridnour (33.1), Jason Williams (31.2), Hinrich (30. and Felton (30.1).

The best of the bunch in terms of effective field-goal percentage (which equates two-pointers and three-pointers) were Mason (57.3), Farmar (56.3), Quinn (55.9), Udrih (54.0), Lowry and Carter (both 53.1) and Blake (51..

For the record, very few of them are free agents.  Most of them would be trade targets that the C's probably don't have the pieces to get.


As for Livingston, although I have always been a fan, and I would love to see him revive his career with the C's...they just don't have the money or roster spots for another guy who likely won't even play next year.  Let him rehab and prove he is healthy, then we can look at him.

[jbp126]

I like Livingston.  But he's young and has lots to prove.  I think he'll chase money and minutes, neither of which is in abundance in Boston, if I'm wrong and he wants to show what he can do (and he's not too injured to do it) I think he'd be a good fit on the Celtics.

These are a list of available point guards (taken from Newsday...so this is who the Knicks are looking at in anticipation of jettisoning Marbury)  Of these I like Blake and Mason BTW. Don't mind Lowry either.....

The most effective of the realistic second-tier options, ranked in order of their per-minute efficiency ratings devised by ESPN.com's John Hollinger, are: Jordan Farmar (Lakers), Kyle Lowry (Memphis), Raymond Felton (Charlotte), Chris Quinn (Miami), Roger Mason (Washington), Beno Udrih (Sacramento), Kirk Hinrich (Chicago), Anthony Carter (Denver), Jason Williams (Miami), Jamaal Tinsley (Indiana), Steve Blake (Portland), Janerro Pargo (New Orleans), Luke Ridnour (Seattle) and Marcus Williams (New Jersey).

Of those, only five had at least a 3-1 assist-to-turnover ratio per possession: Blake (3.64), Jason Williams (3.35), Quinn (3.22), Carter 3.12) and Ridnour (3.01). Assist ratio is the percentage of a player's possessions that ends in an assist. Those who ranked highest in this category were Carter (37., Blake (34.6), Tinsley (33.9), Ridnour (33.1), Jason Williams (31.2), Hinrich (30. and Felton (30.1).

The best of the bunch in terms of effective field-goal percentage (which equates two-pointers and three-pointers) were Mason (57.3), Farmar (56.3), Quinn (55.9), Udrih (54.0), Lowry and Carter (both 53.1) and Blake (51..

For the record, very few of them are free agents.  Most of them would be trade targets that the C's probably don't have the pieces to get.


As for Livingston, although I have always been a fan, and I would love to see him revive his career with the C's...they just don't have the money or roster spots for another guy who likely won't even play next year.  Let him rehab and prove he is healthy, then we can look at him.

According to the NY Daily News, the Pacers will buy out Tinsley if they cannot trade him.  He is far from perfect regarding his character, but he could be a very solid backup.  Marbury would also be available but I do not know if he would want a backup role.

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/basketball/2008/06/28/2008-06-28_josh_smith_ron_artest_elton_brand_could_.html

[Vermont Green]

If the Pacers buy out Tinsley, he could be a younger and better version of Cassell and play the same role.  He may not want that though.  He may think higher of himself than the rest of the league thinks of him and look for a home where he can start and contribute as a core player vs. the role he would get with the Celtics.

[fairweatherfan06]

I think Tinsley would be decent between Pruitt and Rondo but don't him and Pierce have beef?  Stephon Marbury thinks he's a starting PG...no chance.

[timepiece33]

There's no way Livingston signs for the minimum to come here for a 10-15mpg role. He'll sign with the team that offers him minutes and hopefully for him more than the minimum. Clippers are the most likely team to do that and the Nuggets could make that interesting with some quality competition.

I agree with you on this one.   If Livingston signs for the minimum, it will be in an environment where he knows he can secure minutes to rebuild his value.

Our FA value proposition is to the veteran who wants a championship. 

[TripleOT]

I winder if Livingston will even be able to play heavy minutes next year.  What better way to raise your profile than to play on a talent laden team, like Posey did.  If Livingston isn't getting any decent long term offers, he would be wise to go to a team like the Celtics, with a two year deal with the second year at his option. 

The guy is still young, and he could thrive here in Boston.  Also, he and Rondo could play together a bit if need be, giving the team incredible passing from the back court. 

[nickagneta]

I said it before I'll say it again.

Roger Mason. Big, good handle, good defense, cheap and can score.

Livingston and his agent have been told all about this kids potential for years for them to accept a secondary role at a vet minimum at this stage of his career. They will be looking for a short term starting role with a bad team to rebuild his rep or a long term big money contract from an idiot GM.

Either way that doesn't look good for the Celtics and Livingston hooking up.