Doc wants all back

[Bankshot]

I actually think Tony is really talented and hate the idea of letting him walk away without getting anything in return. Especially when his replacement has never played a minute of NBA basketball. It also kills me that the C's are willing to let Tony walk but they keep Scalabrine. I'm sure some veteran team would have took Scal for their late 2nd pick in the draft. 

I agree with everything except that some team would give a 2nd round pick for Scal.

We need to keep Tony until we find out if this kid Giddens can play in the NBA.  Steve Bulpett said as much on Sports Tonight on Friday.  He thinks the Celtics want to hold onto Tony just for that reason.  What happens if Ray goes down for a significant amount of time?  You want someone to be able to step in and start and Tony has proven to do well in the starting role when he gets a lot of minutes and it helps keep Posey in his backup role behind Paul, not disrupting the lineup too much.

I think they keep Tony if he accepts a decent deal.

[Brickowski]

They're not willing to pay him 2.7 million.  That's the bottom line.  TA is gone.

[Roy Hobbs]

If roster spots were so valuable they could just waive Scalabrine.

Scal isn't going anywhere.  He still fills a role, and I'm sure the team has absolutely no desire to swallow his salary. 

Tony is going to be a victim of the way they front loaded Garnett's contract.

The team didn't front load KG's contract.  He's still on his Minnesota deal; players can't restructure their salary / take a pay cut under the terms of the CBA.  KG signed an extension with the team, which has annual raises.  The starting salary of that extension is simply lower than what he's currently being paid.

I believe that the revocation provision is designed to permit teams to do sign-and-trades with players to whom they have extended qualifying offers. I'm not aware of any team revoking a QO for any other reason, although I suppose it could happen if a player to whom a QO was extended was seriously injured in Summer league.

The Raptors did it with Keon Clark.

[SShoreFan 2.0]

They're not willing to pay him 2.7 million.  That's the bottom line.  TA is gone.

Personally, I think Tony Allen has been some what of a disappointment and will not mind his money being used in a different direction.  That being said, I truly with Tony well, but I my opinion his time has come.

As for the others, I heard an interesting fact regarding the luxury tax that every dollar the Celts spend on the bottom of the roster will actually cost them two dollars.  That being said, they need to spend their money wisely. I think its crucial that the Celts have three solid bodies off the bench which leaves them spots that will need to be filled with lower cost players.  I also think the luxury tax also will lead the Celts to look at the same formula they implemented with PJ and Sam.

Needless to say it will not be boring.

[hpantazo]

They're not willing to pay him 2.7 million.  That's the bottom line.  TA is gone.

I don't think TA is going to get much on the FA market, so I think we have a decent chance at re-signing him to a low salary.

[Brickowski]

They're not willing to pay him 2.7 million.  That's the bottom line.  TA is gone.

I don't think TA is going to get much on the FA market, so I think we have a decent chance at re-signing him to a low salary.

So you don't think he's worth as much on the FA market as Scalabrine? LOL.  I think other teams know perfectly well how good TA is. The only question is his knee, and if that has healed properly he will get a market deal. 

[SShoreFan 2.0]

They're not willing to pay him 2.7 million.  That's the bottom line.  TA is gone.

I don't think TA is going to get much on the FA market, so I think we have a decent chance at re-signing him to a low salary.

So you don't think he's worth as much on the FA market as Scalabrine? LOL.  I think other teams know perfectly well how good TA is. The only question is his knee, and if that has healed properly he will get a market deal. 

TA & Scal are obviously apples and oranges -- we all know that the circumstances around both are totally different.  The key fact is this --- TA will cost the Celts not $2.7 million, but $5.4 million due to the luxury tax. 

The Celts are looking at each person on the bench and asking are they worth double of what they will be paid to the team.  TA is no way worth a $5.4 hit to the team.  I do however think Posey maybe worth it.

[soap07]

So you don't think he's worth as much on the FA market as Scalabrine? LOL.  I think other teams know perfectly well how good TA is. The only question is his knee, and if that has healed properly he will get a market deal.  

What do other teams know that we don't? Tony Allen, save for a short stretch of games on a horrible lottery team, simply has not shown that much in the NBA. The knee injury doesn't help, but how long is it going to take for that knee to heal? He's been medically cleared to play since last October. His problems on the court this year had nothing to do with his knee. It had to do with the fact that in terms of basketball, he is a mental midget. That was a problem before the injury too.

[timepiece33]

So you don't think he's worth as much on the FA market as Scalabrine? LOL.  I think other teams know perfectly well how good TA is. The only question is his knee, and if that has healed properly he will get a market deal. 

He'll get the LLE.  People will fall for his athleticism and defense, while ignoring his basketball IQ and high propensity for turnovers.

The question, to me, is

1. Do we offer the qualifying offer and try to facilitate a sign and trade?

OR

2. Do we not offer him? 

If you believe you can package Scalabrine and him to get a high salary player of use (Luke Ridnour? Chris Wilcox?) ... maybe you go down that route.  Personally, I believe we will just not submit a qualifying offer.

[Brickowski]

Posey will cost 11 million with the luxury tax (twice the MLE) not 5.4 million.  Every other free agent they sign will also cost double.  I'd be shocked if they were able to package Scalabrine and Allen.  First, it would have to be to a team where TA wants to go-- he's unrestricted as of 5 pm tomorrow.

He'll get more than the LLE.

[timepiece33]

He'll get more than the LLE.

Based on what comparable? 

[Brickowski]

He'll get more than the LLE.

Based on what comparable? 

Let's start with John Salmons ($5,104,000), Trenton Hassell ($4,350,000), Willie Green ($3,388,000), Greg Buckner ($3,759,259), DeShaun Stevenson ($3,616,071), Charlie Bell ($3,348,000), Damien Wilkins ($3,100,000), Keith Bogans ($2,911,600)and Trevor Ariza ($,2,911,600).

I won't even bring up Marcus Banks ($4,176.000).

I'd rather have TA than any of those players.

[wdleehi]

Without reading through this whole thread (since I am sure someone has said it already), what coach doesn't want back the team that won a title?

[SShoreFan 2.0]

Posey will cost 11 million with the luxury tax (twice the MLE) not 5.4 million.  Every other free agent they sign will also cost double.  I'd be shocked if they were able to package Scalabrine and Allen.  First, it would have to be to a team where TA wants to go-- he's unrestricted as of 5 pm tomorrow.

He'll get more than the LLE.

you are 100% right.  That's what I was attempting to say....but left out a few words when I jumped from TA to Posey.

[Brickowski]

Without reading through this whole thread (since I am sure someone has said it already), what coach doesn't want back the team that won a title?

Doc Rivers, because he was bending the truth when he said he did.