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Re: Tyronn Lue to the Celtics?
« Reply #15 on: June 24, 2008, 08:06:18 AM »

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imo its been WAY WAY WAY over-dramatized house's ballhandling. its not great but its been passable for the most part and generally when hes in there paul is making the plays which i actually LIKE. when rondos in he should be the playmaker but when hes not i WANT paul facilitating on a short time basis. it keeps him involved and it makes him even more dangerous. eddie keeps the ball moving out there he doesnt take many bad shots out there or stop the flow. hes a game-changer when hes on the floor. he gives energy and hustle. im all set with rondo, eddie and gabe pruitt being our ballhandlers next year.

It made him a huge liablity in the detroit series, nothing about his ball handling skills was over drmatcized. he can't dribble against a good FC PG (like hunter)

that being said, i don't think lue is a good fit for this team. though you have to wonder if both he and sam are convinced they have jobs here next season because both are good friends of KG....

But in spite of that, we beat Detroit twice in the regular season and got by them rather easily in the playoffs.  As far as I can remember, Detroit was one of the only teams, if not the only team, where we encountered this problem.  It's not like it happens very often.

If Lue is replacing Cassell (although I don't know how he helps any more than House or Rondo in defending Billups), then I'm fine with it, but I want Eddie House back on this team.
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Re: Tyronn Lue to the Celtics?
« Reply #16 on: June 24, 2008, 08:21:36 AM »

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although I don't know how he helps any more than House or Rondo in defending Billups

He is an active guard who harasses and confronts players. He reminds me a lot of Lindsey Hunter and his ball pressure. He can also hit threes. Definitely a better option than Cassell, and if we sign Lue and let House go (which I don't want to happen), Pruitt will clearly get some solid minutes.

Re: Tyronn Lue to the Celtics?
« Reply #17 on: June 24, 2008, 08:33:07 AM »

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imo its been WAY WAY WAY over-dramatized house's ballhandling. its not great but its been passable for the most part and generally when hes in there paul is making the plays which i actually LIKE. when rondos in he should be the playmaker but when hes not i WANT paul facilitating on a short time basis. it keeps him involved and it makes him even more dangerous. eddie keeps the ball moving out there he doesnt take many bad shots out there or stop the flow. hes a game-changer when hes on the floor. he gives energy and hustle. im all set with rondo, eddie and gabe pruitt being our ballhandlers next year.

It made him a huge liablity in the detroit series, nothing about his ball handling skills was over drmatcized. he can't dribble against a good FC PG (like hunter)

that being said, i don't think lue is a good fit for this team. though you have to wonder if both he and sam are convinced they have jobs here next season because both are good friends of KG....

he barely played at all in the detroit series. i think i saw him in part of just one game and thats it. he barely had a chance to be a liability. either way, ray or paul can bring the ball up. set a pick for house. bring the kid in to play next to him and have pruitt bring it up. any of those options would be absolutely fine to me. way too big a deal was made of that to keep him off the floor. his pluses outweigh his minuses in my book. give me these 3 at point with kg, paul or ray facilitating for 10-15 whole min a game. ill take my chances that theyll handle it just fine.
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Re: Tyronn Lue to the Celtics?
« Reply #18 on: June 24, 2008, 08:35:41 AM »

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Why does everyone seem to think that if the Cs get Lue that Cassell wont be back???????  I think if the Cs get Lue that House wont be back because the Cs have had Gabe Pruitt who is a better sg then pg and he bring a little more to the table then Eddie House. If the Cs can get Lue for small money, re-sign Cassell for the short money and they have Pruitt who will be more of a 2 then a 1 for short money it's a win/win for the Cs.  

Eddie House is gone.  I knew he was gone back in the Atlanta series when he had his son wearing a Hawks Jersey and hanging out with the Hawks bench during games.

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« Reply #19 on: June 24, 2008, 08:45:45 AM »

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To be fair, you also said during the atl series that would end his playing time here, and he'd stay firmly in the DNP dog house for the duration of the playoffs.

Yet he had key contributions to the CLEV and LA series, often as the first gaurd off the bench (espically in the finals).

I find it hard to belive Danny is that petty, that his kid wearing the wrong team jersey will determine his fate. he may well not be back, in fact i expect he'll be out with pruitt being talked up by the celtics, but it won't be because his 7 year old son wore his god fathers hawks jersey. This sin't a bush league franchise.
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Re: Tyronn Lue to the Celtics?
« Reply #20 on: June 24, 2008, 09:01:42 AM »

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To be fair, you also said during the atl series that would end his playing time here, and he'd stay firmly in the DNP dog house for the duration of the playoffs.

Yet he had key contributions to the CLEV and LA series, often as the first gaurd off the bench (espically in the finals).

I find it hard to belive Danny is that petty, that his kid wearing the wrong team jersey will determine his fate. he may well not be back, in fact i expect he'll be out with pruitt being talked up by the celtics, but it won't be because his 7 year old son wore his god fathers hawks jersey. This sin't a bush league franchise.

True and I'll give Doc credit for thinking of the team and letting House play when it was clear the team needed him.  But that said he will not be back with the team this coming season.

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« Reply #21 on: June 24, 2008, 09:22:28 AM »

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To be fair, you also said during the atl series that would end his playing time here, and he'd stay firmly in the DNP dog house for the duration of the playoffs.

Yet he had key contributions to the CLEV and LA series, often as the first gaurd off the bench (espically in the finals).

I find it hard to belive Danny is that petty, that his kid wearing the wrong team jersey will determine his fate. he may well not be back, in fact i expect he'll be out with pruitt being talked up by the celtics, but it won't be because his 7 year old son wore his god fathers hawks jersey. This sin't a bush league franchise.

True and I'll give Doc credit for thinking of the team and letting House play when it was clear the team needed him.  But that said he will not be back with the team this coming season.

Do you have access to someone close to the Celtics?  I'm just wondering how you know House won't be back, as most of us are hoping he is re-signed.
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« Reply #22 on: June 24, 2008, 09:24:58 AM »

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imo its been WAY WAY WAY over-dramatized house's ballhandling. its not great but its been passable for the most part and generally when hes in there paul is making the plays which i actually LIKE. ...


I totally agree. You could say people have gone too far in trashing his defense also. The guy was solid all season when the Celtics were a machine - and he was a big part of it.

if you would recall the first half of the season, the non-cassell part, house did pretty [dang] well as the backup pg- our record was pretty good going into the allstar break and would back that up.

Yar, the Detroit press showed Eddie's ball handling weakness.  Their traps on him exposed his soft side. I like everything else about his game and thought PP and RA should be more involved in ball handling when Eddie was in the game.  Both of them are used to doing that from prior years when thaey had to help.

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« Reply #23 on: June 24, 2008, 09:25:57 AM »

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I think there are so many more attractive options out there for the Celtics than Tyrone Lue. He's smaller than Eddie but has similar shooting abilities, though not as quick a release, better ball handling abilities and I don't think he's as good of an overall defender.

I think a run at my first choice of Roger Mason, then Beno Udrih, and Kenyon Dooling is the way I go if Eddie doesn't return before I turn Lue's way. But in the end if we do pick up Lue, I think he would fit in well.

Besides, he's a Cornhusker, he can't be all that bad.

Re: Tyronn Lue to the Celtics?
« Reply #24 on: June 24, 2008, 09:30:38 AM »

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I think there are so many more attractive options out there for the Celtics than Tyrone Lue. He's smaller than Eddie but has similar shooting abilities, though not as quick a release, better ball handling abilities and I don't think he's as good of an overall defender.

I think a run at my first choice of Roger Mason, then Beno Udrih, and Kenyon Dooling is the way I go if Eddie doesn't return before I turn Lue's way. But in the end if we do pick up Lue, I think he would fit in well.

Besides, he's a Cornhusker, he can't be all that bad.

Keyon Dooling might be an ok choice to replace Cassell (so long as we keep House... I really really want House to stay). I did hear somewhere than Danny really liked him. Any idea of Dooling's ballhandling skills?  I really haven't paid to much attention to the kid.
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« Reply #25 on: June 24, 2008, 09:40:12 AM »

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I agree with Crownsy and SamuelAdams: what matters is being able to get past a few key teams, which in the East means Detroit and Cleveland, and House's inability to bring the ball up against pressure got exposed in Detroit.  Therefore, we need a better back-up PG.

I strongly believe that DA is going to be shopping for a vet PG this off-season, so the Ty Lue idea makes sense.  IMHO the only debate should be over which vet PG to go after.

I think that White Chocolate will be a Celtic next year. No inside info, just a hunch.  He's under-valued at this point and could sign a one-year deal a la Posey to jack his value back up.
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« Reply #26 on: June 24, 2008, 09:57:29 AM »

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I agree with Crownsy and SamuelAdams: what matters is being able to get past a few key teams, which in the East means Detroit and Cleveland, and House's inability to bring the ball up against pressure got exposed in Detroit.  Therefore, we need a better back-up PG.

I strongly believe that DA is going to be shopping for a vet PG this off-season, so the Ty Lue idea makes sense.  IMHO the only debate should be over which vet PG to go after.

I think that White Chocolate will be a Celtic next year. No inside info, just a hunch.  He's under-valued at this point and could sign a one-year deal a la Posey to jack his value back up.

I want House back -- and think that we could get him for a 2yr $3.8M deal (non-bird rights, 2nd year player option).  He does a lot to stretch the offense and is a good change-of-pace option behind Rondo. Like a Knuckleballer followed by a fastball reliever.

And if we bring House back I'd like to add a veteran PG --- Tyronn Lue or Kevin Ollie -- to play a few mins when the pressure gets to House... but Doc should never try to anticipate the pressure.  MAKE the other team take the ball out of HOuse's hands. Lue or Ollie have less ego, or bravado might be the word, than Cassell and would more easily accept that role as 3rd PG.

Lue is good friends with KG, Ollie with Ray Allen.

If we didn't bring House back i'd be for going after Dooling but from what ive read he wants to stay in ORL.

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Re: Tyronn Lue to the Celtics?
« Reply #27 on: June 24, 2008, 07:22:31 PM »

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I rather have House but he would be better than Sam Cassell.
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« Reply #28 on: June 24, 2008, 07:25:53 PM »

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I agree with Crownsy and SamuelAdams: what matters is being able to get past a few key teams, which in the East means Detroit and Cleveland, and House's inability to bring the ball up against pressure got exposed in Detroit.  Therefore, we need a better back-up PG.

I strongly believe that DA is going to be shopping for a vet PG this off-season, so the Ty Lue idea makes sense.  IMHO the only debate should be over which vet PG to go after.

I think that White Chocolate will be a Celtic next year. No inside info, just a hunch.  He's under-valued at this point and could sign a one-year deal a la Posey to jack his value back up.

I like the White Chocolate idea as well, much better than Lue, so long as we re-sign my boy, House. ;D

I'd give House a 2 yr deal if he would take it. $4mil for 2 years.
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« Reply #29 on: June 24, 2008, 07:33:49 PM »

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The Lue option isn't bad. There are a bunch of guys I'd rather get though:

C. Duhon 6-1 26
K. Dooling 6-3 28
C. Arroyo 6-2 29
A. Johnson 6-3 34
E. House 6-1 30
J. Pargo 6-1 29

I'm assuming West, Arenas, Udrih, Calderon, Gordon are priced out of the C's range.  :P