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NBA Free Agents 2008
« on: June 20, 2008, 06:31:17 PM »

Offline KelticFan

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I thought this might be helpful for discussions involving potential FAs this season.
I took the list of unrestricted FAs from ESPN, not including those with ETOs (early termination options) and got their player data from KnickerBlogger. It's included in an attached XLS file. A list of available unrestricted FAs sorted by PER is below. From a quick glance it looks like :

1) the backup PG position should be easiest to fill,
2) the backup swing position has many options (though none, in my estimation, have the defensive prowess or overall effectiveness of Posey)
3) the backup C position has few options that are attractive and feasible

Roster:
1: Rajon Rondo
2: Ray Allen
3: Paul Pierce
4: Kevin Garnett
5: Kendrick Perkins

6: Backup PG
7: Backup SG
8: Backup SF
9: Leon Powe
10: Glen Davis
11: Gabe Pruitt
12: J. R. Giddens
13: Bill Walker [Could go to Europe]
14: Brian Scalabrine
15: Patrick O' Bryant

Additional Assets:
2008 MLE (~$5.585M)
Bi-Annual Exception ($1.91M) [May have been used on O'Bryant]

Options on Free Agents: (thanks to cordobes for the suggestion)
"Non-Bird" Exception
      - James Posey ($3.847M)
      - Eddie House ($1.800M)
      - P.J. Brown ($1.514M)
      - Sam Cassell ($1.514M)
      - Tony Allen ($2.242M)
Minimum Salary Exceptions
      - 10+ Year Vetaran ($1.262M)

[P] = Player option to terminate contract
[T] = Team option to terminate contract

Available "Bigs":
PER   Player   POS
16.41   Alonzo Mourning   C
16.33   Rasho Nesterovic   C [P]
16.26   Sean Marks   FC
15.25   Kurt Thomas (TOT)   FC
14.68   Stromile Swift (TOT)   FC [P]
14.61   Dikembe Mutombo   C
14.20   Patrick O'Bryant   C
13.40   Austin Croshere   PF
12.31   DeSagana Diop (TOT)   FC
12.22   Michael Ruffin   PF
12.20   Theo Ratliff (TOT)   FC
12.19   Eduardo Najera   F
11.56   Brian Skinner   FC
10.54   Kwame Brown (TOT)   FC
10.37   Malik Allen (TOT)   PF
10.31   P.J. Brown   FC
10.04   Adonal Foyle   C [P]
09.73   Robert Horry   PF
09.49   Earl Barron   FC
09.15   Melvin Ely   FC [P]
08.80   Jake Voskuhl   C
08.74   Scot Pollard   C
08.22   Linton Johnson III (TOT)   UN
07.78   Chris Mihm   FC [P]
07.60   Michael Doleac   C
07.21   Calvin Booth   C
06.57   Francisco Elson (TOT)   FC
06.21   Chris Andersen   FC
05.83   Othella Harrington   FC [T]
05.37   Primoz Brezec (TOT)   C
04.10   Juwan Howard   F
03.28   Pat Garrity   F
02.46   Lorenzen Wright (TOT)   C
01.65   Jamaal Magloire (TOT)   C
      
Available "PG-type" players:
PER   Player   POS
16.90   Brent Barry   G [P]
15.78   Sam Cassell (TOT)   PG
14.28   Keyon Dooling   PG
13.93   Roger Mason   PG
13.51   Beno Udrih   PG
12.99   Carlos Arroyo   PG
12.97   Anthony Carter   PG
12.86   Jason Williams   PG
12.66   Dan Dickau   PG
12.30   Tyronn Lue (TOT)   PG
12.06   Jannero Pargo   PG [P]
11.72   Juan Dixon (TOT)   G
11.28   Chris Duhon   PG
11.21   Anthony Johnson (TOT)   PG
10.12   Earl Boykins   PG
09.86   Kevin Ollie   PG
09.40   Damon Stoudamire (TOT)   PG
09.27   Jacque Vaughn   PG [P]
08.94   Lindsey Hunter   PG
08.85   Darrell Armstrong   PG
08.43   Jason Hart   PG [P]
07.00   Smush Parker (TOT)   PG
      
Available "Swing" players:
PER   Player   POS
16.18   Trevor Ariza (TOT)   SF [P]
15.94   Grant Hill   GF [P]
15.19   Ronald Dupree (TOT)   SF
14.71   Bonzi Wells (TOT)   SG
14.11   Maurice Evans (TOT)   GF
13.76   James Jones   SF [P]
13.15   Jarvis Hayes   SF
13.15   Eddie House   SG
13.10   Matt Barnes   SF
12.88   Mickael Pietrus   GF
12.86   Ronald Murray (TOT)   SG
12.55   Bostjan Nachbar   SF
12.20   Ricky Davis   GF
12.17   James Posey   GF [P]
11.60   Michael Finley   GF
11.45   Devin Brown   GF
11.08   Fred Jones   GF
10.99   Keith Bogans   GF [P]
10.15   Kareem Rush   SG
10.14   Derek Anderson   GF
09.97   Ryan Bowen   SF
09.73   Gordan Giricek (TOT)   SG
09.12   Ira Newble (TOT)   GF
08.96   Royal Ivey   GF
08.96   Antoine Wright (TOT)   GF
08.41   Eric Piatkowski   GF
07.73   Eddie Jones   GF [P]
07.72   Quinton Ross   GF
07.12   Devean George   GF
05.87   Shannon Brown (TOT)   GF
04.53   Casey Jacobsen   GF
« Last Edit: July 17, 2008, 07:09:50 PM by KelticFan »

Re: NBA Free Agents 2008
« Reply #1 on: June 20, 2008, 06:38:05 PM »

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Good post. TP.

Maybe we should also consider three more things:

a) We can (try to) resign Posey and House with the non-Bird exception.
b) We can also use Minimum Salary Exceptions to add players.
c) We can keep Tony Allen using the qualifying offer.

Re: NBA Free Agents 2008
« Reply #2 on: June 20, 2008, 07:29:27 PM »

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I actually am not encouraged by the PG list but more encouraged by the bigs list.

Top of big list would be

Diop-same skills as Perk but taller
Mourning (if he's healed)
Nesterovic
Kurt Thomas (if he can be afforded)
Patrick OBryant is worth a trial run by all accounts but couldn't get a run because Nellie doesn't play or develop youth.

Only PG type I like is Brent Barry, maybe Darrell Armstrong.  Don't wanna discuss swing men until I'm sure Posey is not coming back, if he doesn't then Michael Pietrus is top of the list.


Re: NBA Free Agents 2008
« Reply #3 on: June 20, 2008, 07:39:15 PM »

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I thought this might be helpful for discussions involving potential FAs this season.
I took the list of unrestricted FAs from ESPN, not including those with ETOs (early termination
options) and got their player data from KnickerBlogger. It's included in an attached XLS file.
A list of available FAs sorted by PER is below. From a quick glance it looks like

1) the backup PG position should be easiest to fill,
2) the backup swing position has many options (though none, in my estimation, have the defensive prowess or overall effectiveness of Posey)
3) the backup C position has few options that are attractive and feasible

Roster:
1: Rajon Rondo
2: Ray Allen
3: Paul Pierce
4: Kevin Garnett
5: Kendrick Perkins

6: Backup PG
7: Backup SG
8: Backup SF

9: Leon Powe
10: Backup C
11: Gabe Pruitt
12: Open Roster Spot
13: Brian Scalabrine
14: Glen Davis
15: Open Roster Spot

Additional Assets:
2008 MLE, LLE, 2008 Draft Pick #30, 2008 Draft Pick #60

Options on Free Agents: (thanks to cordobes)
"Non-Bird" Exception (Sam Cassell, Eddie House, James Posey, P.J. Brown)
Qualifying Offer (Tony Allen)
Minimum Salary Exceptions




In my opinion backup Point will be House, back up SG will be TA and backup SF will be Posey. As for the Center position I believe we will sign one Veteran and then draft a rookie. The rookie should be Hardin, the French center or the Austrailian one (sorry I forget the names off the top of my head). For the veteran I would be happy with Diop, Kwame Brown (if we could sign him for low money), Magloire, Wright, Thomas or O'Bryant one of which has to be had cheaply. Filling the last spot should be used to get a veteran PG, I like Arroyo, or Barry from that group.

If we lose TA, Posey, or House I'd like to see Barnes, Pietrus, Hayes, Giricek or Hill brought in.
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Re: NBA Free Agents 2008
« Reply #4 on: June 20, 2008, 07:42:07 PM »

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I actually am not encouraged by the PG list but more encouraged by the bigs list.

Top of big list would be

Diop-same skills as Perk but taller
Mourning (if he's healed)
Nesterovic
Kurt Thomas (if he can be afforded)
Patrick OBryant is worth a trial run by all accounts but couldn't get a run because Nellie doesn't play or develop youth.

Only PG type I like is Brent Barry, maybe Darrell Armstrong.  Don't wanna discuss swing men until I'm sure Posey is not coming back, if he doesn't then Michael Pietrus is top of the list.

Nesterovic isn't a free agent. He has a player option worth $8.5mil on the table and there's no way he's leaving that. He'd be lucky to earn that much money over four years in free agency.

Patrick O Bryant is a stick defender with no skills. He doesn't just get beat in the low post he gets slaughtered. He has no fight in him either which just makes the situation even worse.

Diop, Kurt and Zo are all good names. I don't like the bigs market this season I think it's very weak. Turiaf is probably next best big in free agency so the plate gets pretty empty quickly. I don't think Zo leaves Miami - still Danny has to make that call and be certain because if he would leave and join Boston he'd be a great addition. Diop and Kurt are the two main options. Diop gets larger money than Boston can afford if Posey takes the MLE which will take him off the table. Which leaves Kurt Thomas ....

I'm pretty sure Barry signed a two year deal with San An when he returned at the end of the season. Not certain though. I wouldn't sign him to play the point at this stage of his career too much of his athleticism is gone. He'd be a fine wing and a great replacement option should Tony Allen leave.

Darrell Armstrong would be an ideal 3rd string point guard although the team should probably give Pruitt the job otherwise he'll never develop.

Re: NBA Free Agents 2008
« Reply #5 on: June 20, 2008, 07:42:52 PM »

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My wish list: 1 of each (big, swing, PG):

bigs:
A. Mourning 6-10 38
D. Diop 7-0 26
D. Mutombo 7-2 42
P.J. Brown 6-11 39

swing (2,3 or small 4)
J. Posey 6-7 31
Q. Ross 6-6 27
E. Najera 6-8 32
M. Evans 6-5 30

PG:
C. Duhon 6-1 26
K. Dooling 6-3 28
C. Arroyo 6-2 29
A. Johnson 6-3 34
E. House 6-1 30

Re: NBA Free Agents 2008
« Reply #6 on: June 20, 2008, 07:45:59 PM »

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I think Chris Duhon and Jannero Pargo would both be excellent additions for our packup PG spot. Also Mutombo, Alonzo, Grant Hill, or Kurt Thomas would all be worthy additions, too.

Re: NBA Free Agents 2008
« Reply #7 on: June 20, 2008, 07:51:29 PM »

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Nesterovic isn't a free agent. He has a player option worth $8.5mil on the table and there's no way he's leaving that. He'd be lucky to earn that much money over four years in free agency.

I'm pretty sure Barry signed a two year deal with San An when he returned at the end of the season. Not certain though. I wouldn't sign him to play the point at this stage of his career too much of his athleticism is gone. He'd be a fine wing and a great replacement option should Tony Allen leave.

I included the players who have player options. Not sure why I did that since I excluded those with early termination options. I'll mark the list.

Re: NBA Free Agents 2008
« Reply #8 on: June 20, 2008, 08:33:42 PM »

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Nesterovic isn't a free agent. He has a player option worth $8.5mil on the table and there's no way he's leaving that. He'd be lucky to earn that much money over four years in free agency.

I'm pretty sure Barry signed a two year deal with San An when he returned at the end of the season. Not certain though. I wouldn't sign him to play the point at this stage of his career too much of his athleticism is gone. He'd be a fine wing and a great replacement option should Tony Allen leave.

I included the players who have player options. Not sure why I did that since I excluded those with early termination options. I'll mark the list.

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Re: NBA Free Agents 2008
« Reply #9 on: June 20, 2008, 08:38:58 PM »

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If Posey takes a walk, I think Trevor Ariza would be a great fit on this team. The guys really lanky and could be a lock down defender under the Celts system.

Although a young guy like Ariza is not likly to take less to go to Boston.

Re: NBA Free Agents 2008
« Reply #10 on: June 20, 2008, 08:57:36 PM »

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My guess is Ariza will stay on LA. I think he still has Bird rights, since he was acquired via trade, and with their SF problems, I don't see them letting one who actually can play walk away.

Posey has to be the number one goal in free agency. I'd give him whatever it takes. TO be honest, I still can't talk about what we should do if Posey walks. He's essential to this team. If he leaves, I'll think about it. Until then, no. I'd start by offering him the most we can give him without affecting the MLE - we can give him a 20% raise up to about 3.8 million, with 8 % raises after that. I think it comes out to 5 years, $22.5 million. I'd make that offer and see if he wants to just guarantee he gets $20 million for the next 5 years. Of course, if he sees a 4 year, 22 million offer, we have to match. I will find a way to understand if the ballclub says we just can't afford to give our entire MLE to Posey, but until that happens, do what it takes.

Problem is, if Posey takes up close to if not the whole MLE, our only options at the center positions guys who will take the veterans minimum - think PJ Brown, Theo Ratliff - or the LLE - pretty much the same group. Same with the backup point position. If House won't take an offer starting at 1.8 mil (most we can offer without using exceptions), he's gone and we're left with Sam I Am (who will stay if we offer him the minimum) or Darrell Armstrong.

I agree we stick with what worked. Give Posey what it takes, hopefully he leaves us a little bit of MLE room. Make a qualifying offer to TA and nobody will touch him - maybe we can even keep him cheaper than that. Hope Eddie will go for a 3 year deal starting at 1.8 (about 5.8-5.9 total). Biggest problem will be backup center, but hopefully we can sort that out with a rookie and a vet.
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Re: NBA Free Agents 2008
« Reply #11 on: June 20, 2008, 09:35:32 PM »

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I'm surprised 2 posters actually bother to entertain the idea of Posey signing for less than 4 million.

We will have to make a tough decision with Posey, because he might command more money than he will be worth over the length of the contract. Hopefully we can work something out. We might have to make some early decisions on other signings in order for us to decide on the feasibility of re-signing Posey.

House should be easier if we want to keep him. Is there much demand for House? I can't imagine the market for House is much more than when we signed him in the first place.

Re: NBA Free Agents 2008
« Reply #12 on: June 20, 2008, 09:55:41 PM »

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I actually am not encouraged by the PG list but more encouraged by the bigs list.

Top of big list would be

Diop-same skills as Perk but taller
Mourning (if he's healed)
Nesterovic
Kurt Thomas (if he can be afforded)
Patrick OBryant is worth a trial run by all accounts but couldn't get a run because Nellie doesn't play or develop youth.

Only PG type I like is Brent Barry, maybe Darrell Armstrong.  Don't wanna discuss swing men until I'm sure Posey is not coming back, if he doesn't then Michael Pietrus is top of the list.

Nesterovic isn't a free agent. He has a player option worth $8.5mil on the table and there's no way he's leaving that. He'd be lucky to earn that much money over four years in free agency.

Patrick O Bryant is a stick defender with no skills. He doesn't just get beat in the low post he gets slaughtered. He has no fight in him either which just makes the situation even worse.

Diop, Kurt and Zo are all good names. I don't like the bigs market this season I think it's very weak. Turiaf is probably next best big in free agency so the plate gets pretty empty quickly. I don't think Zo leaves Miami - still Danny has to make that call and be certain because if he would leave and join Boston he'd be a great addition. Diop and Kurt are the two main options. Diop gets larger money than Boston can afford if Posey takes the MLE which will take him off the table. Which leaves Kurt Thomas ....

I'm pretty sure Barry signed a two year deal with San An when he returned at the end of the season. Not certain though. I wouldn't sign him to play the point at this stage of his career too much of his athleticism is gone. He'd be a fine wing and a great replacement option should Tony Allen leave.

Darrell Armstrong would be an ideal 3rd string point guard although the team should probably give Pruitt the job otherwise he'll never develop.

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Re: NBA Free Agents 2008
« Reply #13 on: June 20, 2008, 09:56:40 PM »

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Here's the problem. We have no idea what this season(reg and post) has done to the value of Posey and House. Their stellar performances this year may have priced them out of our range. If they did and both players decide that with a championship in hand, financial security is their #1 priority, we could lose both.

I want Posey but I think he is the more likely of the two to leave. His performance on Kobe in the Finals has made him very valuable and I wouldn't put it past a team like the Lakers or New Orleans to try to do something for him if they can.

In LA, he gives them a defensive presence and keeps him away from another team who'd use him to guard Kobe. In New Orleans he might be the piece that gets them over them hump, his championship experience and locker room presence would be huge.

I'd like to see them make a run at Roger Mason at PG even if they retain Eddie. He's big, has a good handle, is a good shooter even from beyond 3, has a good Ast/TO ratio and gives a lot of what Eddie House does only with more height and length and a better handle on the ball. It also allows Eddie to play the 2 where he's most effective. Eddie at 2 and Mason at the one on offense and switching positions on defense would make a good backup, backcourt combo.

If Posey goes I think the answer will have to be either Barnes or Pietrus. Both are good defenders and can give a lift off the bench. As for the big guy, if PJ is willing to come back, get it done. He is in excellent shape for a 38 year old and is a good rebounder and defensive presence.

The other roster spot has to go to the first round rookie. I mean, someone has to carry Pierce's and KG's luggage through the airports, right?

Mourning and Mutombo are interesting but ultimately untouchable because both are entrenched in the area they want to live in the rest of their lives. Thomas is the only other big that I would even consider. So I hope the Celtics draft big because if PJ doesn't resign, I don't see anything out there that really advances this team. Of course PJ might come out of retirement again if the Celtics have a 42-8 record at the All-Star break.

At PG I think Mason is the best value for the dollar but I love Udrih's game and think Dooling would be a good fit. Udrih will cost us some bucks though. I also really like Pargo if he opts out. He's kinda built in the Eddie House mold but with better ball skills. I think he could start on a bunch of the weak sisters of the league.

Re: NBA Free Agents 2008
« Reply #14 on: June 20, 2008, 10:08:53 PM »

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I'd love to get Matt Barnes if Posey or TA are gone. The guy is scrappy.
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