Not to be Debbie Downer but Doc...

[quikblink]

Everything I have read about the amazing comeback states that Doc out coached Phil.  Did he really?

If it wasnt for Perk messing his shoulder up again Doc never would have gone small with Pose.  I also firmly believe that the reason House was in was because he was FORCED to put him in because of the score. 

I think we (including me) have been quick to dump of Doc when things went bad (in truth most was warranted), but this praise from the media is just as rash.  To say he "out-coached" Phil is a bit of an overstatement.  When you are forced to go to your best lineup not because of a calculated decision, but rather injury and a record breaking lead you are not a great coach. 

Do I care HOW it happened?  No of course not, but I am sick of reading how great of a coaching mind Glenn Rivers is. I, like many on this site, watched every game of Rivers Era and know that not much from an Xs and Os has changed this season (besides the D which Doc gave over to TT completely).  Please let us not forget the years Doc has taken of the end of our lives due to stress from bad lineups.

Also, many columnists point to the 3rd quarter differential as proof of Doc winning the coaching battle.  I say that is more on Thibodeau.  The defense is was held the Lakers to 17 points.  The defense lead to transition baskets.  The defense is why we are 1 win away from 17.

[Spoon]

Everything I have read about the amazing comeback states that Doc out coached Phil.  Did he really?

YES!

Jackson has had an awful series.

[Edgar]

Just food for thought

U cant be good if ure not a litle lucky.

and

glass isnt always half empty.

[crownsy]

Its ok if i just feel like posting the image of bongo right?

In all seriousness, come on with this. Doc managed the clock better, made a great call risking it all to get KG some rest, forced phil into playing small ( he had a ton of other lineups, davis could have played the 4, or leon, 4 three point shooters, for all intents and purposes 4 SG's was an awesome move. Not to mention the way he got them all to belive in the come back, and turn around that abysmally effort from the first half.

Im no doc fanboy, but whats the guy got to do to get a little bit of a break?

seems like the Guy could find the cure for cancer and some of you us would probably say it was dumb luck or he was forced into it....

[Thruthelookingglass]

Everything I have read about the amazing comeback states that Doc out coached Phil.  Did he really?

YES!

Jackson has had an awful series.

I was a bit dubious of all the hype too but even if Doc is lucky to outcoach Jackson, Doc sure seemed to own the situation last night.  And I'm not one to look a gift horse in the mouth.

[tenn_smoothie]

i have stated on a few of the celebratory threads today that Doc played Eddie because he was forced to - not because he calculated it would be a good move for the team.

Doc's stubborness regarding Eddie borders on the bizarre. it seems quite obvious that, overall, House helps the team much more than Cassell. Why did it take Doc so long

[Bahku]

While I'm certainly not part of the "Doc-Lover" crowd, he did a great job last night, and I think right now is one of the worst times possible for an anti-Doc thread. Let's keep it on the positive tip concerning all things green ... at least for now.

[cordobes]

Everything I have read about the amazing comeback states that Doc out coached Phil.  Did he really?

If it wasnt for Perk messing his shoulder up again Doc never would have gone small with Pose.

I stopped reading here. After game 2, Doc was being bashed in this site because he went small. Now, he's being bashed not because he went small, since we won, but because he'd never gone small. In spite of having gone small lots of times this season. That even lead to lots of critics because he wasn't playing Perkins enough minutes. On the other hand, he also took heat...

Geez... there's something pathological in the Doc hate. Get over it.

[BudweiserCeltic]

Yet he went with House and not Cassell, when Rondo got injured. That doesn't fit quite with your theory that this all occurred out of accident when guys got injured.

Also, Posey entered as PF in the first quarter when he subbed in for Kendrick, way before he got his shoulder injury. He also used the small line up in the 2nd quarter. Once again, doesn't quite fit with your theory that this all happened "by accident".

While we're talking about Tom Tib and how he gets full credit for the defense, might as well blame him for allowing our team to get blown out in the first half and for the Lakers comeback in game 2, right? All these dealing in "absolutes" is quite ridiculous.

[Who]

Everything I have read about the amazing comeback states that Doc out coached Phil.  Did he really?

YES!

Jackson has had an awful series.

Why did Phil Jackson do that was so awful?

[nickagneta]

Everything I have read about the amazing comeback states that Doc out coached Phil.  Did he really?

If it wasnt for Perk messing his shoulder up again Doc never would have gone small with Pose.  I also firmly believe that the reason House was in was because he was FORCED to put him in because of the score. 

I think we (including me) have been quick to dump of Doc when things went bad (in truth most was warranted), but this praise from the media is just as rash.  To say he "out-coached" Phil is a bit of an overstatement.  When you are forced to go to your best lineup not because of a calculated decision, but rather injury and a record breaking lead you are not a great coach. 

Do I care HOW it happened?  No of course not, but I am sick of reading how great of a coaching mind Glenn Rivers is. I, like many on this site, watched every game of Rivers Era and know that not much from an Xs and Os has changed this season (besides the D which Doc gave over to TT completely).  Please let us not forget the years Doc has taken of the end of our lives due to stress from bad lineups.

Also, many columnists point to the 3rd quarter differential as proof of Doc winning the coaching battle.  I say that is more on Thibodeau.  The defense is was held the Lakers to 17 points.  The defense lead to transition baskets.  The defense is why we are 1 win away from 17.

This is such a load of crap that it is not funny.

The man looks right and he's an idiot for not looking left but when he does look left you are going to question why he still isn't looking right.

Do yourself a favor and take your foot out of your mouth and go to the dinner table and start eating your crow.

The fact that the anti-Doc crowd can still come out at this point in time and still try to rip into Doc is sad and pathetic and says more about the person doing the complaining than it does about the person being complained about.

If 48 minutes from a world championship the one thread you want to start is an "I can't stand all the good things being said about Doc because he's an idiot" thread, you don't deserve the championship to savour.

[threzd]

While I'm certainly not part of the "Doc-Lover" crowd, he did a great job last night, and I think right now is one of the worst times possible for an anti-Doc thread. Let's keep it on the positive tip concerning all things green ... at least for now.

Agree..I've hated Doc throughout the season and the playoffs, but I think he's done a pretty manageable job so far in the Finals. Sure, he could be coaching better, but he's doing a lot better than what he was doing before and has exceeded a lot of our expectations

[kozlodoev]

If it wasnt for Perk messing his shoulder up again Doc never would have gone small with Pose.

He just did it in Game 3, and he's been doing it on a regular basis during the regular season.

*yawn*

[ChainSmokingLikeDino]

Everything I have read about the amazing comeback states that Doc out coached Phil.  Did he really?

If it wasnt for Perk messing his shoulder up again Doc never would have gone small with Pose.  I also firmly believe that the reason House was in was because he was FORCED to put him in because of the score. 

I think we (including me) have been quick to dump of Doc when things went bad (in truth most was warranted), but this praise from the media is just as rash.  To say he "out-coached" Phil is a bit of an overstatement.  When you are forced to go to your best lineup not because of a calculated decision, but rather injury and a record breaking lead you are not a great coach. 

Do I care HOW it happened?  No of course not, but I am sick of reading how great of a coaching mind Glenn Rivers is. I, like many on this site, watched every game of Rivers Era and know that not much from an Xs and Os has changed this season (besides the D which Doc gave over to TT completely).  Please let us not forget the years Doc has taken of the end of our lives due to stress from bad lineups.

Also, many columnists point to the 3rd quarter differential as proof of Doc winning the coaching battle.  I say that is more on Thibodeau.  The defense is was held the Lakers to 17 points.  The defense lead to transition baskets.  The defense is why we are 1 win away from 17.

Ugh. Others have said it already, but, it surely bears repeating, gimme a break. Lets not get into the whole Tom Thibodeau/Doc defense thing, thats been covered a million times around here and the conclusion has always been Tom T is great, but it ain't just him, Doc isn't clueless on it and he does have a hand in the D. And where was the great D in the first half? Can't have it both ways, ya know?

As per Doc going small, he obviously has gone small before, to the dismay of people round these parts for sure, but that wasn't a new innovation. Doc could have brought in Sam I Ain't instead of E-Money but it was #50 he put in. He definitely had trust in Posey and let him play. Etc. Etc.

As others said, is this the time for another I Hate Doc thread? Come on.

Is Doc a perfect coach? No. Is anyone? No. (See, the Zen Master who the media love wasting a time out because he didn't know how to properly call one to advance the ball) But The Celtics are one win away, to pick this time to nitpick seems absurd. Especially after a game where Doc seemed to do a ton more good than bad.

[Tnerb02]

Doc has definitely out coached Phil this series. It seems like after every timeout that Phil takes, the Lakers never get a hoop. Usually the Lakers draw up a play that takes the whole entire 24 seconds and then Kobe eventually jacks up a bad shot with the shot clock expiring. On the other hand, the Celtics have been getting a lot of easy baskets and they come out with more energy after timeouts.

Phil also had VladRad and Turiaf in there late in the game during crucial minutes and they haven't been effective all series. I was also amazed how Ariza brought the Lakers so much energy in the 2nd quarter and Phil didn't go back to him. Plus Vujacic obviously didn't have it last night and Phil kept on forcing the issue. Overall, Phil got out coached pretty badly last night and it's not even close.