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Re: Game 3 observations from a Laker fan
« Reply #15 on: June 11, 2008, 01:04:11 PM »

Offline crownsy

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You would think you guys would have more faith in your team after your first win of the series.  I see your points, but I think you should have a little more faith in your team.

  Check out some of our posts from the Atlanta and Cleveland series.

to qoute peter griffin:

touche salesman, touche. TP for telling it like it is. remeber the "will doc ever coach a team out of the first round?!?!" thread after game 4?

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Re: Game 3 observations from a Laker fan
« Reply #16 on: June 11, 2008, 01:06:47 PM »

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I think we should all fess up and admit we have a team of three flawed superstars.  Defend them all you want, but each has a weakness.  The only way this group does it is collectively.

UBUNTU!!! man

They even as players know it and it is what will make them champs.

Re: Game 3 observations from a Laker fan
« Reply #17 on: June 11, 2008, 01:17:02 PM »

Offline BballTim

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Ridiculous.


All three carried their respective franchises at times when there was virtually no talent around them.  KG carried a team in the dominant West for the better part of a decade and was possibly a healthy PG away from winning the title in 2004.  Pierce has carried the Celtic franchise for a decade and almost made it to the finals by himself. 


Easy to make these comments after possibly the worst games of their respective careers.

And exactly, what did each do for their teams as the Franchise player?  Garnett and his 7 first round exits?  Allen and Pierce never making past the conference playoffs. They are much better together and having 3 #2s => than having #1 and #2.  Theirs only a few number ones in the league, Kobe, lebron, duncan, Cp3 are the ones that I consider #1s.

  You left yourself wide open with this one, as you've seen. It only took the Lakers 4 years and one huge gift from the Grizzlies to come up with a team strong enough to get Kobe out of the 1st round. Take away that lopsided trade and Kobe's still crying for a trade to a team that can make him back into a winner.

Re: Game 3 observations from a Laker fan
« Reply #18 on: June 11, 2008, 02:27:50 PM »

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I agree with much of what the OP is saying. It's similar to our thoughts on why we like some trends from that game. The Lakers won, and yes they outplayed the Celtics, but this was on a night when the Celtics played an absolutely brutal offensive game (35% FGs against a not-that-good defensive team?) but still managed to defend the Lakers well and keep the game at a pace and tempo that suits them. Reminded me of the game in Phoenix this year - absolutely atrocious offensive night but we were still somehow in it.

The most disturbing thing to me, as a Celtics fan, is that our rebounding fell apart in the fourth quarter. They outrebounded us 15-10 in that quarter, after we had a 35-29 edge in that category through 3 quarters. That includes allowing 4 offensive boards in the 4th after allowing only 5 in the first 3 quarters. I think that's primarily a result of both Perk and Brown playing very poorly. It's too bad Davis hadn't been used at all - you can't put him in that cold but he might have helped us in the 4th to maintain control of the glass. Two fewer offensive boards, and we're up 1 or 2 instead of down 2 with 2 minutes left. Who knows what happens then. If we cement our control of the boards, we will win this series

And on the superstar thing, I think KG is a legit number 1, not because of his offense but because of his all around game (it's the same reason Duncan is a legit number 1). There are better offensive players, but those two guys absolutely control games on the defensive end. When Kobe and Lebron have bad nights, they still get at least 15 points and give their teams something because they're such incredible offensive forces. When KG (or Duncan) has a bad night like last night, he still gets you a lot of boards, and gives you great defense.

That's what makes a player a number 1 - even when they have off nights, they give you contributions. For Kobe and Lebron and CP, they always give you something offensively; for Duncan and KG, even when they're off, they always give you great defense and rebounding. That's what separates Kobe, Lebron, CP, KG, Duncan and probably Dwight Howard, Dirk and Nash from almost every other player in the league. They always give you something good, even when their shot's not going down. (Amare's inability to defend is why I wouldn't put him in that category yet.)

I think Pierce got closer to that this year, but he can probably be best described as a 1A. He's usually still good defensively but when his offense isn't going, he doesn't give you a lot. Last year I would have said he's a 2, now that he's matured (and he has matured A LOT this year), I think he's a 1A because all year when his shot wasn't going in, he still gave us something good. Last night might be the exception, though - I haven't seen him out of a game mentally like that in years. Hopefully he bounces back, I think he will.

Ray Allen is a 2, but he's playing at a much higher level than that in this series. He's been contributing on both ends every night of this series. If we had managed to steal that game last night (to me, stealing a game is when you win one on the road you don't really deserve, like San Antonio in Game 1 against Phoenix), I would honestly have him in the number one spot on my Finals MVP ballot both because he was the absolute only reason the Celtics were in that game last night, and because he's played outstanding defensively throughout the series including last night. His defense is a big part of the reason I give Kobe so much credit for his performance last night. Ray was in his face constantly, and Kobe still hit 6 of the 8 shots he took with Ray covering him. He was just awesome last night. You knew he had at least one of those games in him.

As is, the next few games will decide the MVP, obviously the leading candidates are Kobe, Pierce, KG, and Ray. And I'd be more than happy to see Kobe win Finals MVP as long as he wins it like Jerry West won it - Finals MVP for the losing team. If things go the way they've gone the first 3 games, the Celtics win in 5 or 6.
Go Celtics.

Re: Game 3 observations from a Laker fan
« Reply #19 on: June 11, 2008, 02:36:03 PM »

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Re: Game 3 observations from a Laker fan
« Reply #20 on: June 11, 2008, 02:43:07 PM »

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As someone who considers himself to one of the few Laker fans
who can look at the Celtics with an honest approach,i would say
to any of you Boston fans who are nervous about the outcome of
this series,don't be...you guys got this thing.If you don't close
it out on Sunday,then it's game 6 tops.We need at least two of
Gasol,Odom,and Fisher to play big to have a chance to win four
times and if it didn't happen last night on the return to Staples
then it won't anytime soon...we got the calls that we expected
coming back here and still barely got by.We got  subpar games
from Pierce & Garnett (save his rebounding)and still the Celtics
almost pulled it off.If Gasol & Odom don't stop crapping them-
selves you guys are partying on Sunday.

Re: Game 3 observations from a Laker fan
« Reply #21 on: June 11, 2008, 02:45:53 PM »

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I must say, I'm appreciating this new breed of Lakers fan much more so than the last batch.

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Re: Game 3 observations from a Laker fan
« Reply #22 on: June 11, 2008, 03:02:12 PM »

Offline Laker Guy

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Just trying to honest about the situation is all.I know
that if we would have had these blogs 20 years ago you
guys would have banned me for all the crap i would have
said about anything that involved the Celtics...i guess
it's an age thing now,you just can't be all that objective
about things when hatred gets in the way.I did tell all my
Laker fan pals out here before the series started that
we had not faced a team that plays defense like your Celtics
do and that it was the thing that was gonna take us down.
That and being afraid that Gasol & Odom were not ready for
the big stage.And they're sure as hell not.We won last night
but it sure as hell didn't feel like it.

Re: Game 3 observations from a Laker fan
« Reply #23 on: June 11, 2008, 03:09:07 PM »

Offline crownsy

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take heart, things aren't all roses over here either.

odom i can see going off, pau i dont see. and if odom goes off and kobe's kobe, your in every game.

we also await the condition of rondo with baited breath over here, if that ankle is enough to take away his cuts, fisher goes back to being able to beat him off screens, and he reapears too.

Like i said in that thread last night, im happy with alot of things last night, gives me confidance for mission "get one of 3 in LA" which is all i hope for, but things aren't wrapped up by any stretch.

if you here "at one gaurd, Sam cassell!" tommrow night, we'll be in big, big trouble  :o
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Re: Game 3 observations from a Laker fan
« Reply #24 on: June 11, 2008, 03:31:51 PM »

Offline CelticsPrideKG

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Saying Garnett and/or Pierce were never a legit franchise player is absolutely ridiculous. Period.


There is no defending that statement.  As has been pointed out Kobe couldn't make the playoffs for a year and then had 2 straight first round exits since he forced Shaq out of town, and even then he had Odom who is a far better #2 option than any of the big 3 have had around them in quite some time (except maybe Rashard Lewis with Ray for a bit).

Garnett was the Wolves organization for the time he was there and the only reason they were EVER relevant.  He had one year with a good Cassell and Sprewell and he turned Cassell into an all star for the first time and almost did the same for Spree.

Pierce has carried this Celtic team on his back for a long time as well.  You Laker fans have funny memories when it comes to your boy Kobe.  You seem to have forgotten the past 3 years or so since Shaq left.

Re: Game 3 observations from a Laker fan
« Reply #25 on: June 11, 2008, 03:40:48 PM »

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The fact is that the Celtics played about as badly as they've played during the entire playoffs and yet were leading game 3 midway through the 4th quarter.  If I were a Laker fan I would not be feeling very confident.

Poor coaching by Rivers. House should have been in the game much sooner, and Leon Powe should have played more minutes.  Most importantly, they needed to get Pierce moving without the ball. As it was, he was completely ineffective with the ball in his hands and double or triple teamed.

Re: Game 3 observations from a Laker fan
« Reply #26 on: June 11, 2008, 04:17:41 PM »

Offline BballTim

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I must say, I'm appreciating this new breed of Lakers fan much more so than the last batch.

  The last batch were mainly trolling. They'd read all about how the Lakers were going to kill the Celts and were gloating. Two losses seems to have silenced a lot of that. Go figure.

Re: Game 3 observations from a Laker fan
« Reply #27 on: June 11, 2008, 04:56:16 PM »

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That's the most un-loyal fan of any team I've ever read, you just [gave up] on your team and then ran over it twice.

No wonder he's wasting his time posting on an opposing team's blog.




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Re: Game 3 observations from a Laker fan
« Reply #28 on: June 11, 2008, 05:05:32 PM »

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Don't jump on the guy too much for not being a homer. Many of us were ready to count boston out unless they made a few changes like winning on the road and playing consistant D on the road which they finally started doing. He's probably thinking that his team has a few things it needs to do to win this series just like we did with cleveland. It didn't sound to me like he has totaly given up, it seems that he sees what we are seeing. Better to be realistic than be a let down homer.
Back to wanting Joe fired.

Re: Game 3 observations from a Laker fan
« Reply #29 on: June 11, 2008, 05:07:09 PM »

Offline dorschrm

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Don't jump on the guy too much for not being a homer. Many of us were ready to count boston out unless they made a few changes like winning on the road and playing consistant D on the road which they finally started doing. He's probably thinking that his team has a few things it needs to do to win this series just like we did with cleveland. It didn't sound to me like he has totaly given up, it seems that he sees what we are seeing. Better to be realistic than be a let down homer.

We don't do that in Boston...

Kidding...but not really