Anyone see the shot chart of the game?

[Discoflux]

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/shotchart?gameId=280608002

I was suprised to see the Lakers took as many shots in the paint as Boston. 
Considering the Lakers 'weren't aggressive', etc.. they seem to have gotten in the paint quite a bit. 

I read the front page about the Lakers fans grasping at straws and not coming to terms with the better team.  I wonder how you all would feel with a 28 Free Throw differential and Ronny Turiaf getting more free throws in 14 minutes than Paul Pierce, KG, Ray Allen and the rest of the team combined.  Maybe, just maybe you wouldn't be congratulating the Lakers for fine play. 

Can anyone explain the shot chart in light of the Lakers not being aggressive?

 

[LarBrd33]

I was wondering about this a little.   I could be wrong, but when you get fouled on a shot, it doesn't count as a "missed shot".  So I wouldn't expect to see it on a shot chart.   The Laker shots in the paint were when our defense was lax, they got an alleyoop or maybe a breakaway layup.   That chart probably isn't reflecting all the pounding we did inside to get ourselves to the line.

According to NBA.com the Lakers had 40 points in the paint and we had 34 points in the paint.  I think that's a bit misleading though, because the Lakers got themselves to the line 10 times... we got to the line 38 times.   Btw, our free throw shooting was terrible.  We only made 27-38. 

[Big Ticket]

Yes,

1) several of those shots in the paint come when the Lakers move the ball well and create easy, open shots around the basket.  They did that early on.

2) The Lakers main inside scorers, Pau and Odom, are both finesse players that thrive and craftiness in the paint.  They both have good footwork, both finish with either hand, and are both very adept and getting shots off around the hoop while avoiding contact.

3) Kobe has some of the best body control in the league.  He can get in the paint and avoid defenders while in the air to get himself a clean look.  When he does this, it is being aggressive in getting to the paint, but not aggressive in how he takes him shot.

When they say being aggressive leads to FTs, they are referring to play like Leon Powe showed.  "Foul me or else I'm getting an open dunk or layup."  It means going up strong, LOOKING for contact.  Not going up cute and looking to avoid contact.

[GroverTheClover]

Missed shots due to fouls do not count, but those shots made while fouled do. This would explain why there aren't more Celtics shots in the painted area. All those shots Powe took while missing after the foul wouldn't show up.

[BballTim]

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/shotchart?gameId=280608002

I was suprised to see the Lakers took as many shots in the paint as Boston. 
Considering the Lakers 'weren't aggressive', etc.. they seem to have gotten in the paint quite a bit. 

I read the front page about the Lakers fans grasping at straws and not coming to terms with the better team.  I wonder how you all would feel with a 28 Free Throw differential and Ronny Turiaf getting more free throws in 14 minutes than Paul Pierce, KG, Ray Allen and the rest of the team combined.  Maybe, just maybe you wouldn't be congratulating the Lakers for fine play. 

Can anyone explain the shot chart in light of the Lakers not being aggressive?

 

  For starters, here's a quote from today's espn daily dime:

  "Additionally, these numbers underestimate Boston's quality shot attempts for another reason -- a huge number of Celtics tries would have been registered as close-in shots but for the fact that they were fouled while shooting."

  So most of our inside shot attempts don't show up on the shot chart.

[Discoflux]

That may be a factor ^^ but I was still surpsied at the points and shots in the paint while 'not being aggressive'. 

[wdleehi]

And as you got through the quarters, you see less and less inside shots. 


Lakers tried toe establish the inside with Gasol, Odom and even Kobe posting up.


But as the game continued, the softness reared it ugly head when they were less willing to mix it up down low. 

[Roy Hobbs]

Yep, according to Hollinger, add 14 shots in the paint to our total.

It's disappointing.  All Lakers fans want to do is come up with excuses for why their team stunk, rather than just relying on what their eyes told them: the Celtics were superior.

[Big Ticket]

That may be a factor ^^ but I was still surpsied at the points and shots in the paint while 'not being aggressive'. 

Read Reply #2.  Points/shots in the pain does not automatically equal aggressive.

[wdleehi]

9 shots in the paint in the 2nd half.

[Chris]

That may be a factor ^^ but I was still surpsied at the points and shots in the paint while 'not being aggressive'. 

I think the "not being aggressive" thing is a little of a generalization.  I think the Lakers were aggressive.  The difference was the defense.  The Celtics defense was always in position, so they were challenging shots.  The Lakers on the other hand were always a step (or often two) late, so instead of challenging shots, they were reaching and grabbing.

I actually think the refs were letting both teams play aggressive defense last game.  If the defender was in position for either team, they were letting them be very physical, however, if they were reaching in at all, they were calling fouls (on both teams).

I think the best example of them calling it on the C's was when Powe made a clean steal of the ball when the Lakers player was taking it to the hoop.  But because Powe was out of position, and was reaching in, the refs saw that, and automatically called the foul.  If he had been on the spot, blocking the basket, and had made even more contact, he likely wouldn't have been called for anything.

The offensive aggressiveness is overstated, and is basically a fall-back used by the media who don't really pay much attention to the actual game.

[LarBrd33]

Discoflux... did you watch the game?  Did you see Pau Gasol early on going like 7 for 7?  Those were all "points in the paint"... But they weren't getting fouled on any of those fancy moves.

Compare that with Leon Powe who would get himself into position and then get manhandled if he tried to go up with it.   That's what they mean by aggressiveness.   The several plays where Paul Pierce would force himself into the lane and attempt a layup, but get sent to the line instead.

It wasn't like it was an unusual thing for us.   We got to the line 35 times in game 1.   

Last 3 games against Detroit (and a much better offense)... 39, 30, 27...   btw the 39 free throws came in game we were blown out by 20.

And even though the Laker babies are crying right now... it's part of a trend for them as well.  They were frequently held under 20 free throw attempts by the Spurs, because they were playing a similar defense (but not as effective) as the Celtics.   Preventing opportunities for them to get to the line.  They were getting to the line against the Nuggets and Jazz, because the Nuggets and Jazz were allowing them inside.   And the Laker babies weren't crying during the Spurs series, because they lucked out with some wins.

[Roy Hobbs]

9 shots in the paint in the 2nd half.

Including at least one breakaway layup.  Which VladRad traveled on.

[cordobes]

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/shotchart?gameId=280608002

Can anyone explain the shot chart in light of the Lakers not being aggressive?

 

Watch the game and you'll find out by yourself.

[kgiessler]

Did anyone in LA watch this game?

Disco, you make an inference about Powe getting to the foul line.

On which play did you think he was undeserving?