Anyone see the shot chart of the game?

[LarBrd33]

Yup... this is part of a trend for the Lakers...

Check out their free throw attempts vs the Jazz:

Game 1 = 46 attempts
Game 2 = 43 attempts
Game 3 = 37 attempts
Game 4 = 25 attempts
Game 5 = 42 attempts
Game 6 = 38 attempts


Then they hit some defense against the Spurs...

Game 1 = 18 attempts
Game 2 = 20 attempts
Game 3 = 17 attempts
Game 4 = 19 attempts
Game 5 = 18 attempts

Reason?... Spurs were forcing jump shots and preventing drives in the paint.  This is also clear just by looking at Kobe's stats.  96 free throw attempts vs the Jazz... 11 vs the Spurs.    He has 13 already against the Celtics in 2 games.   

Laker fans = WHAAA WHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

[BballTim]

Did anyone in LA watch this game?

Disco, you make an inference about Powe getting to the foul line.

On which play did you think he was undeserving?

  I thought Powe was clearly fouled on the dunk at the end of the third. The refs jobbed him big time.

  And where do we go to complain about that offensive foul on Rondo? Do we have to start a new thread, or can we use these "bad ref" threads (kind of like recycling).

[LarBrd33]

yup and Pierce was robbed of another 4 point play on a phantom travel.

[connerhenry43]

i also remembver powe getting his fourth foul because he cleanly took the ball away from derek fisher, who has made a career in the nba by flopping.

i also remember our starting center getting a foul called on him because that gnome derek fisher rolled into the back of his leg.

i will say the c's got their fair amount of calls, especially in game 2, but a laker fan upset about officiating does not exactly bring a tear to my eye.

[DannyZ]

John Hollinger has a good breakdown of the Lakers shot charts over the first couple games.  The important thing is you don't want your role players taking long 2s.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/dailydime?page=dime-080610

As a shorthand, we'll call these other players "guys you'd really prefer weren't launching from 17."

The Celtics got 11 shots from that crew in Game 1, and 13 shots in Game 2; that's only 24 of the combined 92 shots those players took. In other words, 73.9 percent of their shots have been "good" looks, the kind of shots an offense wants to generate.

In the Lakers' case, that number through the first seven quarters of the series was a jarring 39, on 101 shots. In other words, only 61.4 percent of their shots were the type of quality looks you want for secondary players.

Additionally, these numbers underestimate Boston's quality shot attempts for another reason -- a huge number of Celtics tries would have been registered as close-in shots but for the fact that they were fouled while shooting.

Boston was fouled on a missed shot 14 times, compared to just three for the Lakers. Throw those numbers into the Game 2 shot chart and it's 23 long 2s in 69 "attempts" (shots+fouls) for the Lakers, compared to 14 of 61 for the non-Garnett Celtics. Once you throw in the fouls it becomes apparent that even in Game 2, the Celtics were taking better shots.

Ah yes, the fouls.

Given the shooting-chart disparity, our wonderment at the foul disparity is no longer so puzzling, is it?

[hpantazo]

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/shotchart?gameId=280608002

I was suprised to see the Lakers took as many shots in the paint as Boston. 
Considering the Lakers 'weren't aggressive', etc.. they seem to have gotten in the paint quite a bit. 

I read the front page about the Lakers fans grasping at straws and not coming to terms with the better team.  I wonder how you all would feel with a 28 Free Throw differential and Ronny Turiaf getting more free throws in 14 minutes than Paul Pierce, KG, Ray Allen and the rest of the team combined.  Maybe, just maybe you wouldn't be congratulating the Lakers for fine play. 

Can anyone explain the shot chart in light of the Lakers not being aggressive?

 

IMO, watching the game rather than a shot chart gives me a much better understanding of who was aggressive and how.

[Discoflux]

Pow deserved most of his foul shots. 
I'm more concerned that somehow the refs didn't see the Lakers ever getting fouled. 
What was it, 2 FT's in the first 3 quarters?

[Roy Hobbs]

Pow deserved most of his foul shots. 
I'm more concerned that somehow the refs didn't see the Lakers ever getting fouled. 
What was it, 2 FT's in the first 3 quarters?

As mentioned, just because a shot comes from inside the paint doesn't mean a foul was committed.  There was at least one play where contact could have been called on a Gasol and-1, but other than that, I'm not seeing a lot of specific complaints from you guys.  Just the same old generic "our soft players shot from in the paint, so why didn't we get calls?!" garbage.

If Kobe wants more calls, drive to the basket.  He had, what, four shot attempts in the paint where a foul wasn't called?  If he wants free throws, he's got to drive more.  The reason he doesn't?  Because the Celtics defense shuts him down, and he settles for off-balance, fall-away jumpers from 19 feet.  In other words, "bunnies".

[hpantazo]

Pow deserved most of his foul shots. 
I'm more concerned that somehow the refs didn't see the Lakers ever getting fouled. 
What was it, 2 FT's in the first 3 quarters?

As mentioned, just because a shot comes from inside the paint doesn't mean a foul was committed.  There was at least one play where contact could have been called on a Gasol and-1, but other than that, I'm not seeing a lot of specific complaints from you guys.  Just the same old generic "our soft players shot from in the paint, so why didn't we get calls?!" garbage.

If Kobe wants more calls, drive to the basket.  He had, what, four shot attempts in the paint where a foul wasn't called?  If he wants free throws, he's got to drive more.  The reason he doesn't?  Because the Celtics defense shuts him down, and he settles for off-balance, fall-away jumpers from 19 feet.  In other words, "bunnies".

Well put Roy. Odom's idea of getting aggressive was plowing into defenders who had set their positions, and then complainig about the ensuing charge

[FreeGreen]

Assuming Boston's 38 free throws would have been 12 layups (a VERY favourable assumption for the Lakers), then the points in the paint would have been 40 to 60 a 50% advantage that pretty much reflects the flow of the game.

Remember the foul differential was only 6 between the two teams.  (seems people overlook this part of it.)

[LarBrd33]

Pow deserved most of his foul shots. 
I'm more concerned that somehow the refs didn't see the Lakers ever getting fouled. 
What was it, 2 FT's in the first 3 quarters?

As mentioned, just because a shot comes from inside the paint doesn't mean a foul was committed.  There was at least one play where contact could have been called on a Gasol and-1, but other than that, I'm not seeing a lot of specific complaints from you guys.  Just the same old generic "our soft players shot from in the paint, so why didn't we get calls?!" garbage.

If Kobe wants more calls, drive to the basket.  He had, what, four shot attempts in the paint where a foul wasn't called?  If he wants free throws, he's got to drive more.  The reason he doesn't?  Because the Celtics defense shuts him down, and he settles for off-balance, fall-away jumpers from 19 feet.  In other words, "bunnies".

Lol that's hilarious

[Discoflux]

Pow deserved most of his foul shots. 
I'm more concerned that somehow the refs didn't see the Lakers ever getting fouled. 
What was it, 2 FT's in the first 3 quarters?

As mentioned, just because a shot comes from inside the paint doesn't mean a foul was committed.  There was at least one play where contact could have been called on a Gasol and-1, but other than that, I'm not seeing a lot of specific complaints from you guys.  Just the same old generic "our soft players shot from in the paint, so why didn't we get calls?!" garbage.

If Kobe wants more calls, drive to the basket.  He had, what, four shot attempts in the paint where a foul wasn't called?  If he wants free throws, he's got to drive more.  The reason he doesn't?  Because the Celtics defense shuts him down, and he settles for off-balance, fall-away jumpers from 19 feet.  In other words, "bunnies".

I hear you, except that Kobe spin move to basket and-one no-called plus a technical foul on top of it.
Also, drive to hoop, grabbed/hooked by "The Truth" with another no-call.

Stuff like that changes the complexion of a game.  3 Fts in the 3rd quarter is abominable and no one around here will even admit we got jobbed by the refs.  You act like it was clean and fair the whole way despite the mountain of evidence.  Were you guys on the OJ Jury?

[hpantazo]

Pow deserved most of his foul shots. 
I'm more concerned that somehow the refs didn't see the Lakers ever getting fouled. 
What was it, 2 FT's in the first 3 quarters?

As mentioned, just because a shot comes from inside the paint doesn't mean a foul was committed.  There was at least one play where contact could have been called on a Gasol and-1, but other than that, I'm not seeing a lot of specific complaints from you guys.  Just the same old generic "our soft players shot from in the paint, so why didn't we get calls?!" garbage.

If Kobe wants more calls, drive to the basket.  He had, what, four shot attempts in the paint where a foul wasn't called?  If he wants free throws, he's got to drive more.  The reason he doesn't?  Because the Celtics defense shuts him down, and he settles for off-balance, fall-away jumpers from 19 feet.  In other words, "bunnies".

I hear you, except that Kobe spin move to basket and-one no-called plus a technical foul on top of it.
Also, drive to hoop, grabbed/hooked by "The Truth" with another no-call.

Stuff like that changes the complexion of a game.  3 Fts in the 3rd quarter is abominable and no one around here will even admit we got jobbed by the refs.  You act like it was clean and fair the whole way despite the mountain of evidence.  Were you guys on the OJ Jury?

Lol! I hope the laker's players are half as frustrated as you are! SWEEP! SWEEP!

[angryguy77]

Pow deserved most of his foul shots. 
I'm more concerned that somehow the refs didn't see the Lakers ever getting fouled. 
What was it, 2 FT's in the first 3 quarters?

As mentioned, just because a shot comes from inside the paint doesn't mean a foul was committed.  There was at least one play where contact could have been called on a Gasol and-1, but other than that, I'm not seeing a lot of specific complaints from you guys.  Just the same old generic "our soft players shot from in the paint, so why didn't we get calls?!" garbage.

If Kobe wants more calls, drive to the basket.  He had, what, four shot attempts in the paint where a foul wasn't called?  If he wants free throws, he's got to drive more.  The reason he doesn't?  Because the Celtics defense shuts him down, and he settles for off-balance, fall-away jumpers from 19 feet.  In other words, "bunnies".

I hear you, except that Kobe spin move to basket and-one no-called plus a technical foul on top of it.
Also, drive to hoop, grabbed/hooked by "The Truth" with another no-call.

Stuff like that changes the complexion of a game.  3 Fts in the 3rd quarter is abominable and no one around here will even admit we got jobbed by the refs.  You act like it was clean and fair the whole way despite the mountain of evidence.  Were you guys on the OJ Jury?

The refs were not biased as stated by the facts above. They also didn't put the ball in the basket for a  53% of the time. Your defense allowed that which was why you lost.

[angryguy77]

We were not on the OJ jury, but our team is going to do a great impersonation of him on you guys this series.