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Perk
« on: May 23, 2008, 03:36:56 PM »

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   Once again Doc ditched Perk for the entire 4th quarter and went with PJ.  Perk was having a decent game and had a couple really nice blocks (the one were he came from the weakside to reject chauncey was gross).  I understand that PJ hit a big jumpshot against cleveland, and helped stop lebron on one play, but I still feel he is terribly slow on defense - how many times was he helplessly running towards the shooter?
   I'm not saying Perk was playing amazing or anything, I just still feel like we have a better chance to win with him out there. His defensive presence is huge in the paint. Plus offensive rebounds were killing us and Perk can really help in that department.  I also feel his post defense on Rasheed has been exceptional.  Perk should be playing 35 minutes a game in this series in my opinion.  Perk is our starting center and will be for the next 5 years, PJ Brown will never play basketball again after the next month.
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Re: Perk
« Reply #1 on: May 23, 2008, 03:42:21 PM »

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Well we were down at that point, and we'd much rather have PJ in for offense.  He isn't too bad on defense either, he isn't amazing but he gets it done most of the time.

The center spot really wouldn't have matter because the Pistons were drilling us from 3 and knocked down some longer 2's.  I don't think we can blame that defensive breakdown against anyone singularly, it was basically the entire team that pretty much blew it in the end.
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Re: Perk
« Reply #2 on: May 23, 2008, 03:43:06 PM »

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I guess Perk was having a "decent" game, but what does that get you?  He played 26 minutes, had 4 points, six rebounds, two blocks, committed his normal dumb fouls and played ok defense.  He left Wallace all alone beyond the arc at least twice.  In addition, he continues his lifelong bad habit of bringing the ball down when he is in the paint and getting it stripped.  I know I am biased, but I just have never been crazy about Perk and feel that much of the time he is a liability on the court.  In fact, when Rondo is not shooting it is like the C's are playing 3 on 5 while on offense.  

Re: Perk
« Reply #3 on: May 23, 2008, 03:57:09 PM »

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I guess Perk was having a "decent" game, but what does that get you?  He played 26 minutes, had 4 points, six rebounds, two blocks, committed his normal dumb fouls and played ok defense.  He left Wallace all alone beyond the arc at least twice.  In addition, he continues his lifelong bad habit of bringing the ball down when he is in the paint and getting it stripped.  I know I am biased, but I just have never been crazy about Perk and feel that much of the time he is a liability on the court.  In fact, when Rondo is not shooting it is like the C's are playing 3 on 5 while on offense. 

He finished with 3 fouls, I'm pretty sure the only dumb one was the first one on Billups.  He made the only shot he took and hit both free throws - but Perk is not in the game for offense anyway.  Wallace made one three on Perk and one on PJ, he only lost him once - Perk does a much better job on him in the post - sheed doesnt want to bang.  Offensive boards was our main problem in the 4th, and perk didnt see the floor
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Re: Perk
« Reply #4 on: May 23, 2008, 04:01:41 PM »

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Perk had one offensive rebound in 26 minutes.  PJ had one offensive rebound in 19 minutes -- same difference.  Perk is a big liability against the pistons who have five starters that can regularly score in double figures.  As I said, when Rondo is not shooting the ball, it is 3 on 5 for the Celts on offense when Perk is in the game.

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« Reply #5 on: May 23, 2008, 04:10:17 PM »

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Perk had one offensive rebound in 26 minutes.  PJ had one offensive rebound in 19 minutes -- same difference.  Perk is a big liability against the pistons who have five starters that can regularly score in double figures.  As I said, when Rondo is not shooting the ball, it is 3 on 5 for the Celts on offense when Perk is in the game.


The Celtics were 1 point better with Perkins on the floor, 5 points worse with PJ.


Perkins plays better defense.

Perkins grabbed more rebound (which would have helped down the stretch when the Pistons were grabbing the offensive rebounds)

Both scored 4 points and missed no shots. 



And just to add this, when all 5 of the starters were on the floor, they scored 37 points vs 30 points. 

Works out over 48 minutes as roughly 93 to 73. 

So they were scoring at a good clip with the three stars. 

Re: Perk
« Reply #6 on: May 23, 2008, 04:22:18 PM »

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Perk had one offensive rebound in 26 minutes.  PJ had one offensive rebound in 19 minutes -- same difference.  Perk is a big liability against the pistons who have five starters that can regularly score in double figures.  As I said, when Rondo is not shooting the ball, it is 3 on 5 for the Celts on offense when Perk is in the game.


The Celtics were 1 point better with Perkins on the floor, 5 points worse with PJ.


Perkins plays better defense.

Perkins grabbed more rebound (which would have helped down the stretch when the Pistons were grabbing the offensive rebounds)

Both scored 4 points and missed no shots. 



And just to add this, when all 5 of the starters were on the floor, they scored 37 points vs 30 points. 

Works out over 48 minutes as roughly 93 to 73. 

So they were scoring at a good clip with the three stars. 

Love PJ, but Wallace has been scoring on him at will.  Perks is not the problem in this series.
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Re: Perk
« Reply #7 on: May 23, 2008, 08:50:09 PM »

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perk MUST improve even more this summer.  he's still the weak link on this team and he's very inconsistent.  i don't blame doc for not playing him down the stretch because of his offensive limitations and poor foul shooting.
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Re: Perk
« Reply #8 on: May 24, 2008, 12:13:35 AM »

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In the first game of this series, Perk was on an unbelievable tear on the boards! He had 8 rebounds (3 oreb) in the first 8:40 of the game! With 3:13 left in the first quarter doc takes him out and sits him until 6:12 left in the second quarter (9 mins.!). Can anyone explain to me why any coach would take out a player that was getting about one rebound per minute and sit him for nine minutes?!

During those 9 minutes, PJ was in there, he got only 1 rebound and had 2 points!

It seems to me that doc is totally oblivious to how some of his players are playing when he takes them out. (Often in Perk's case & leaves them out)

By the way, Perk only had one foul on him when he was first taken out of that first game.

The last time we played Detroit during the regular season Perk had 20 rebounds in 33 minutes. He was on pace to have a monster game in the first game of this series, but his own coach took him out and cooled him off. Even though we won that game and Perk eventually had 32 minutes, I wonder what would his numbers would have been if doc had just let him play on. He was on FIYAH!!!

I think that it is a BIG mistake to NOT include Perk in the offense. He broke a Celtics season record for the highest field % in the team's history this year, yet he doesn't get any touches. For my money, he should be scoring 8-12 points every game. If that happened, it would force Detroit to change their defense.

You can't score if you don't shoot ;) You may not like Perk's offense, but the percentages simply don't lie. We need to stop playing 4 on 5 or even 3 on 5 basketball. Perk and Rondo: SHOOT THE BALL WHEN YOU ARE OPEN or in good position!

Lastly think about this for a moment. Does this make ANY sense?:

The player with the second highest fg% on the team during the playoffs (1st during reg. season) takes the least amount of shots per 48min of the entire team.

FGA per48min in this year's playoffs:
Sam 20.4 (fg% .338)
Rondo 15.3 (fg% .436)
EHouse 14.6 (fg% .250)
BBD 12.7 (fg% .429)
Leon 11.3 (fg% .490)
Pose 10.5 (fg% .419)
Tony A. 10.2 (fg% .500)
PJ 7.8 (fg% .615)
Perk 7.2 (fg% .541)

For those interested in what the Big 3's numbers are:
KG 21.1 (fg% .526)
PP 19.3 (fg% .439)
Ray 15.1 (fg% .396)


Re: Perk
« Reply #9 on: May 24, 2008, 11:48:59 PM »

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awesome game by the beast . . i understand taking him out tonight when they went small . . . but I still hated doc sitting him until the 6 minute mark . . . he was all around incredible tonight and doc still waited too long . . . he showed tonight he deserves the bulk of minutes at center

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Re: Perk
« Reply #10 on: May 24, 2008, 11:51:02 PM »

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awesome game by the beast . . i understand taking him out tonight when they went small . . . but I still hated doc sitting him until the 6 minute mark . . . he was all around incredible tonight and doc still waited too long . . . he showed tonight he deserves the bulk of minutes at center

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I was fine with the waiting to bring him back on... you can't have Perk playing big minutes because he simply gets tired and slow. So you need to give him his rest. I'll say this, I might've tried to stay big, but with how bad we were handling the ball pressure, I think it was a good decision to bring in more people capable of ball handling regardless of the results.

Re: Perk
« Reply #11 on: May 24, 2008, 11:55:12 PM »

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awesome game by the beast . . i understand taking him out tonight when they went small . . . but I still hated doc sitting him until the 6 minute mark . . . he was all around incredible tonight and doc still waited too long . . . he showed tonight he deserves the bulk of minutes at center

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I was fine with the waiting to bring him back on... you can't have Perk playing big minutes because he simply gets tired and slow. So you need to give him his rest. I'll say this, I might've tried to stay big, but with how bad we were handling the ball pressure, I think it was a good decision to bring in more people capable of ball handling regardless of the results.

They guy was awesome . . PJ was a minus 8 on the night and you preferred him in there for half the 4th? i dont get it . . play perk starters minutes he deserves it . . . the offense was a bonus, his d was great
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Re: Perk
« Reply #12 on: May 24, 2008, 11:57:41 PM »

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I really think that this was a coming out game for Perk. Sure he's scored more than this before, sure he's always played great D. But I was amazed at how cool he looked there. I missed most of the first half, but. Anyone else see the mid-range jumper? I've seen him shoot two and nail them both. If he can do that consistently the C's will be very difficult to cover when we have Rondo/Pierce driving. The other amazing thing I saw was the KG-esque back to the basket spin and fade. He's obviously been learning from the Big Ticket and I was amazed at how well he did it. It takes a lot of guts to take a turn-around fade when you have three amazing offensive players on your side. Good on ya Perk, and keep it up!
All I'd like to see, if he uses the fade-away a lot, is to fake it and draw the foul. Something I'd love to have KG do too.

Re: Perk
« Reply #13 on: May 24, 2008, 11:59:10 PM »

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Perk was huge tonight ... a beast, really, and I loved what he said in the post-game interview about Garnett ... really cool stuff!

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He's getting to that point of being almost nick-name worthy!
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Re: Perk
« Reply #14 on: May 24, 2008, 11:59:53 PM »

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Perk played quite well tonight. Thats 2 games this series which is really nice to see.
Doc should have played him earlier in the 4th to punish Detroit going small.