Powe vs. Glenn Davis

[Chris]

- Powe is a less attention seeking personality than Davis - the latter of which specifically held fast to getting a 2 year deal so he could hit free agency faster
- Davis also has stated multiple times he wants to be an All Star

- I'm pretty sure we didn't have anything left in the MLE so a 3 year deal wasn't offered to him. From what I remember he simply made comments afterward that he doesn't mind the 2 year deal because it would allow him to make better money faster. It doesn't mean that he wouldn't have taken a 3 year deal back then had it been offered.

- Who cares if he wants to be an All-Star?

Davis was offered a three year deal but turned it down.  Calculated risk by his agent that looks like it will pay off.

I don't think so. To offer 3-year deals to second-round picks you have to use the MLE. By the time Davis signed, all we had no MLE left (I think it was all spent on Pruitt's 3-year deal), so he could only sign for 2 years.

Danny offered 3 year deals to both Pruitt and Davis.  Pruitt's agent jumped at the opportunity, but Davis' decided to hold off.  Then, by the time Davis was ready to sign, the 3 year deal was off the table, since they did not want to use any more of the MLE (they needed it for Posey and I believe House).

I remember seeing several articles about this at the time.  Davis' agent seemed completely happy with taking the 2 year deal, so he could cash in earlier.

I also remember there being some quote by Davis (I don't remember if it was before or after the draft), that he was working really hard to slim down and get in shape, so he could get a big contract, then he would let himself go.  I don't remember the exact context, but that has always been in the back of my mind with Davis.  I think any team signing him to a big contract needs to beware.

[Birdbrain]

- Powe is a less attention seeking personality than Davis - the latter of which specifically held fast to getting a 2 year deal so he could hit free agency faster
- Davis also has stated multiple times he wants to be an All Star

- I'm pretty sure we didn't have anything left in the MLE so a 3 year deal wasn't offered to him. From what I remember he simply made comments afterward that he doesn't mind the 2 year deal because it would allow him to make better money faster. It doesn't mean that he wouldn't have taken a 3 year deal back then had it been offered.

- Who cares if he wants to be an All-Star?

Davis was offered a three year deal but turned it down.  Calculated risk by his agent that looks like it will pay off.

I don't think so. To offer 3-year deals to second-round picks you have to use the MLE. By the time Davis signed, all we had no MLE left (I think it was all spent on Pruitt's 3-year deal), so he could only sign for 2 years.

Danny offered 3 year deals to both Pruitt and Davis.  Pruitt's agent jumped at the opportunity, but Davis' decided to hold off.  Then, by the time Davis was ready to sign, the 3 year deal was off the table, since they did not want to use any more of the MLE (they needed it for Posey and I believe House).

I remember seeing several articles about this at the time.  Davis' agent seemed completely happy with taking the 2 year deal, so he could cash in earlier.

I also remember there being some quote by Davis (I don't remember if it was before or after the draft), that he was working really hard to slim down and get in shape, so he could get a big contract, then he would let himself go.  I don't remember the exact context, but that has always been in the back of my mind with Davis.  I think any team signing him to a big contract needs to beware.

You didn't really post this without any semblance of a link did you?  I would venture to guess that this never took place.

[Chris]

- Powe is a less attention seeking personality than Davis - the latter of which specifically held fast to getting a 2 year deal so he could hit free agency faster
- Davis also has stated multiple times he wants to be an All Star

- I'm pretty sure we didn't have anything left in the MLE so a 3 year deal wasn't offered to him. From what I remember he simply made comments afterward that he doesn't mind the 2 year deal because it would allow him to make better money faster. It doesn't mean that he wouldn't have taken a 3 year deal back then had it been offered.

- Who cares if he wants to be an All-Star?

Davis was offered a three year deal but turned it down.  Calculated risk by his agent that looks like it will pay off.

I don't think so. To offer 3-year deals to second-round picks you have to use the MLE. By the time Davis signed, all we had no MLE left (I think it was all spent on Pruitt's 3-year deal), so he could only sign for 2 years.

Danny offered 3 year deals to both Pruitt and Davis.  Pruitt's agent jumped at the opportunity, but Davis' decided to hold off.  Then, by the time Davis was ready to sign, the 3 year deal was off the table, since they did not want to use any more of the MLE (they needed it for Posey and I believe House).

I remember seeing several articles about this at the time.  Davis' agent seemed completely happy with taking the 2 year deal, so he could cash in earlier.

I also remember there being some quote by Davis (I don't remember if it was before or after the draft), that he was working really hard to slim down and get in shape, so he could get a big contract, then he would let himself go.  I don't remember the exact context, but that has always been in the back of my mind with Davis.  I think any team signing him to a big contract needs to beware.

You didn't really post this without any semblance of a link did you?  I would venture to guess that this never took place.

I'm not stating it as fact, just how I remember it.  If I have a chance I will look for the article, but if you don't want to take my word for it, feel free to look yourself.

[Chris]

- Powe is a less attention seeking personality than Davis - the latter of which specifically held fast to getting a 2 year deal so he could hit free agency faster
- Davis also has stated multiple times he wants to be an All Star

- I'm pretty sure we didn't have anything left in the MLE so a 3 year deal wasn't offered to him. From what I remember he simply made comments afterward that he doesn't mind the 2 year deal because it would allow him to make better money faster. It doesn't mean that he wouldn't have taken a 3 year deal back then had it been offered.

- Who cares if he wants to be an All-Star?

Davis was offered a three year deal but turned it down.  Calculated risk by his agent that looks like it will pay off.

I don't think so. To offer 3-year deals to second-round picks you have to use the MLE. By the time Davis signed, all we had no MLE left (I think it was all spent on Pruitt's 3-year deal), so he could only sign for 2 years.

Danny offered 3 year deals to both Pruitt and Davis.  Pruitt's agent jumped at the opportunity, but Davis' decided to hold off.  Then, by the time Davis was ready to sign, the 3 year deal was off the table, since they did not want to use any more of the MLE (they needed it for Posey and I believe House).

I remember seeing several articles about this at the time.  Davis' agent seemed completely happy with taking the 2 year deal, so he could cash in earlier.

I also remember there being some quote by Davis (I don't remember if it was before or after the draft), that he was working really hard to slim down and get in shape, so he could get a big contract, then he would let himself go.  I don't remember the exact context, but that has always been in the back of my mind with Davis.  I think any team signing him to a big contract needs to beware.

You didn't really post this without any semblance of a link did you?  I would venture to guess that this never took place.

Here is the quote about keeping his weight off until he gets paid.  I am pretty sure it was a joke...but I can't help wondering whether there was a little truth to it.

"I'll keep it off," Davis said. "I'll keep it off until I'm wealthy enough where I can have Big Baby Enterprises, so my kids' kids can be like Paris Hilton and them _ without jail."

http://www.bookrags.com/news/smaller-big-baby-says-hes-nba-ready-moc/

[Bankshot]

- Powe is a less attention seeking personality than Davis - the latter of which specifically held fast to getting a 2 year deal so he could hit free agency faster
- Davis also has stated multiple times he wants to be an All Star

- I'm pretty sure we didn't have anything left in the MLE so a 3 year deal wasn't offered to him. From what I remember he simply made comments afterward that he doesn't mind the 2 year deal because it would allow him to make better money faster. It doesn't mean that he wouldn't have taken a 3 year deal back then had it been offered.

- Who cares if he wants to be an All-Star?

Davis was offered a three year deal but turned it down.  Calculated risk by his agent that looks like it will pay off.

I don't think so. To offer 3-year deals to second-round picks you have to use the MLE. By the time Davis signed, all we had no MLE left (I think it was all spent on Pruitt's 3-year deal), so he could only sign for 2 years.

Danny offered 3 year deals to both Pruitt and Davis.  Pruitt's agent jumped at the opportunity, but Davis' decided to hold off.  Then, by the time Davis was ready to sign, the 3 year deal was off the table, since they did not want to use any more of the MLE (they needed it for Posey and I believe House).

I remember seeing several articles about this at the time.  Davis' agent seemed completely happy with taking the 2 year deal, so he could cash in earlier.

I also remember there being some quote by Davis (I don't remember if it was before or after the draft), that he was working really hard to slim down and get in shape, so he could get a big contract, then he would let himself go.  I don't remember the exact context, but that has always been in the back of my mind with Davis.  I think any team signing him to a big contract needs to beware.

You didn't really post this without any semblance of a link did you?  I would venture to guess that this never took place.

Here is the quote about keeping his weight off until he gets paid.  I am pretty sure it was a joke...but I can't help wondering whether there was a little truth to it.

"I'll keep it off," Davis said. "I'll keep it off until I'm wealthy enough where I can have Big Baby Enterprises, so my kids' kids can be like Paris Hilton and them _ without jail."

http://www.bookrags.com/news/smaller-big-baby-says-hes-nba-ready-moc/

I'm sure it was just a joke.  In case you hadn't noticed, BBD is a pretty funny guy and jokes around a lot.  If there was any truth to it, it would be rather stupid to say for someone trying to get and stick in the league wouldn't you think?

[EJPLAYA]

History has shown us that he drops the weight only when it benefits him. If the weight keeps him from being drafted he loses it. If it keeps him from getting PT or that next contract, he loses it. Never once have I heard him say that he wants to get it off so that he can help the team win a championship. I am impressed with the work that he is done to slim down the last few months, and it definitely has helped improve his production, but I doubt if they had to choose between him and Powe in the offseason that this won't be a big discussion. Too many guys in the past have done the same thing and it doesn't work out well.

[Bankshot]

History has shown us that he drops the weight only when it benefits him. If the weight keeps him from being drafted he loses it. If it keeps him from getting PT or that next contract, he loses it. Never once have I heard him say that he wants to get it off so that he can help the team win a championship. I am impressed with the work that he is done to slim down the last few months, and it definitely has helped improve his production, but I doubt if they had to choose between him and Powe in the offseason that this won't be a big discussion. Too many guys in the past have done the same thing and it doesn't work out well.

Why do you need to hear him say that?  He's actually done it, no need to say it.

[Birdbrain]

- Powe is a less attention seeking personality than Davis - the latter of which specifically held fast to getting a 2 year deal so he could hit free agency faster
- Davis also has stated multiple times he wants to be an All Star

- I'm pretty sure we didn't have anything left in the MLE so a 3 year deal wasn't offered to him. From what I remember he simply made comments afterward that he doesn't mind the 2 year deal because it would allow him to make better money faster. It doesn't mean that he wouldn't have taken a 3 year deal back then had it been offered.

- Who cares if he wants to be an All-Star?

Davis was offered a three year deal but turned it down.  Calculated risk by his agent that looks like it will pay off.

I don't think so. To offer 3-year deals to second-round picks you have to use the MLE. By the time Davis signed, all we had no MLE left (I think it was all spent on Pruitt's 3-year deal), so he could only sign for 2 years.

Danny offered 3 year deals to both Pruitt and Davis.  Pruitt's agent jumped at the opportunity, but Davis' decided to hold off.  Then, by the time Davis was ready to sign, the 3 year deal was off the table, since they did not want to use any more of the MLE (they needed it for Posey and I believe House).

I remember seeing several articles about this at the time.  Davis' agent seemed completely happy with taking the 2 year deal, so he could cash in earlier.

I also remember there being some quote by Davis (I don't remember if it was before or after the draft), that he was working really hard to slim down and get in shape, so he could get a big contract, then he would let himself go.  I don't remember the exact context, but that has always been in the back of my mind with Davis.  I think any team signing him to a big contract needs to beware.

You didn't really post this without any semblance of a link did you?  I would venture to guess that this never took place.

Here is the quote about keeping his weight off until he gets paid.  I am pretty sure it was a joke...but I can't help wondering whether there was a little truth to it.

"I'll keep it off," Davis said. "I'll keep it off until I'm wealthy enough where I can have Big Baby Enterprises, so my kids' kids can be like Paris Hilton and them _ without jail."

http://www.bookrags.com/news/smaller-big-baby-says-hes-nba-ready-moc/

Interesting I stand by my post asserting it never happened.  Are you on the side that he needs to lose weight?

[Birdbrain]

History has shown us that he drops the weight only when it benefits him. If the weight keeps him from being drafted he loses it. If it keeps him from getting PT or that next contract, he loses it. Never once have I heard him say that he wants to get it off so that he can help the team win a championship. I am impressed with the work that he is done to slim down the last few months, and it definitely has helped improve his production, but I doubt if they had to choose between him and Powe in the offseason that this won't be a big discussion. Too many guys in the past have done the same thing and it doesn't work out well.

He's the same weight since he's been in the league there is no history of him performing better with less weight in fact the opposite is more than likely the case.  Your mistake is tying his weight to sacrifice.  He's mentioned being a role-player and playing his role for the C's to be successful.  I wonder what the posters look like that harp on this weight issue (non issue).  Are they projecting I wonder?

[wdleehi]

History has shown us that he drops the weight only when it benefits him. If the weight keeps him from being drafted he loses it. If it keeps him from getting PT or that next contract, he loses it. Never once have I heard him say that he wants to get it off so that he can help the team win a championship. I am impressed with the work that he is done to slim down the last few months, and it definitely has helped improve his production, but I doubt if they had to choose between him and Powe in the offseason that this won't be a big discussion. Too many guys in the past have done the same thing and it doesn't work out well.

He's the same weight since he's been in the league there is no history of him performing better with less weight in fact the opposite is more than likely the case.  Your mistake is tying his weight to sacrifice.  He's mentioned being a role-player and playing his role for the C's to be successful.  I wonder what the posters look like that harp on this weight issue (non issue).  Are they projecting I wonder?

I think it is an issue because to many times I have seen young big men with weight issues play very well early, get a big contract, and slowely eat themselves into lesser players.  (Oliver Miller, Kevin Duckworth, Shawn Kemp)


Not saying Davis will do that, but it is a concern if a team is thinking long term contract.

[Chris]

- Powe is a less attention seeking personality than Davis - the latter of which specifically held fast to getting a 2 year deal so he could hit free agency faster
- Davis also has stated multiple times he wants to be an All Star

- I'm pretty sure we didn't have anything left in the MLE so a 3 year deal wasn't offered to him. From what I remember he simply made comments afterward that he doesn't mind the 2 year deal because it would allow him to make better money faster. It doesn't mean that he wouldn't have taken a 3 year deal back then had it been offered.

- Who cares if he wants to be an All-Star?

Davis was offered a three year deal but turned it down.  Calculated risk by his agent that looks like it will pay off.

I don't think so. To offer 3-year deals to second-round picks you have to use the MLE. By the time Davis signed, all we had no MLE left (I think it was all spent on Pruitt's 3-year deal), so he could only sign for 2 years.

Danny offered 3 year deals to both Pruitt and Davis.  Pruitt's agent jumped at the opportunity, but Davis' decided to hold off.  Then, by the time Davis was ready to sign, the 3 year deal was off the table, since they did not want to use any more of the MLE (they needed it for Posey and I believe House).

I remember seeing several articles about this at the time.  Davis' agent seemed completely happy with taking the 2 year deal, so he could cash in earlier.

I also remember there being some quote by Davis (I don't remember if it was before or after the draft), that he was working really hard to slim down and get in shape, so he could get a big contract, then he would let himself go.  I don't remember the exact context, but that has always been in the back of my mind with Davis.  I think any team signing him to a big contract needs to beware.

You didn't really post this without any semblance of a link did you?  I would venture to guess that this never took place.

Here is the quote about keeping his weight off until he gets paid.  I am pretty sure it was a joke...but I can't help wondering whether there was a little truth to it.

"I'll keep it off," Davis said. "I'll keep it off until I'm wealthy enough where I can have Big Baby Enterprises, so my kids' kids can be like Paris Hilton and them _ without jail."

http://www.bookrags.com/news/smaller-big-baby-says-hes-nba-ready-moc/

Interesting I stand by my post asserting it never happened.  Are you on the side that he needs to lose weight?

No, I think he is at a very good playing weight.  I just thing there is plenty of reason to be hesitant about giving him a big contract (which they won't give him anyways...I don't consider 2-3 million a big contract).

I was just throwing that out there, because I think it is relevant to the conversation.

[BballTim]

History has shown us that he drops the weight only when it benefits him. If the weight keeps him from being drafted he loses it. If it keeps him from getting PT or that next contract, he loses it. Never once have I heard him say that he wants to get it off so that he can help the team win a championship. I am impressed with the work that he is done to slim down the last few months, and it definitely has helped improve his production, but I doubt if they had to choose between him and Powe in the offseason that this won't be a big discussion. Too many guys in the past have done the same thing and it doesn't work out well.

He's the same weight since he's been in the league there is no history of him performing better with less weight in fact the opposite is more than likely the case.  Your mistake is tying his weight to sacrifice.  He's mentioned being a role-player and playing his role for the C's to be successful.  I wonder what the posters look like that harp on this weight issue (non issue).  Are they projecting I wonder?

  I thought he was heavier last spring than he is now.

[Bankshot]

History has shown us that he drops the weight only when it benefits him. If the weight keeps him from being drafted he loses it. If it keeps him from getting PT or that next contract, he loses it. Never once have I heard him say that he wants to get it off so that he can help the team win a championship. I am impressed with the work that he is done to slim down the last few months, and it definitely has helped improve his production, but I doubt if they had to choose between him and Powe in the offseason that this won't be a big discussion. Too many guys in the past have done the same thing and it doesn't work out well.

He's the same weight since he's been in the league there is no history of him performing better with less weight in fact the opposite is more than likely the case.  Your mistake is tying his weight to sacrifice.  He's mentioned being a role-player and playing his role for the C's to be successful.  I wonder what the posters look like that harp on this weight issue (non issue).  Are they projecting I wonder?

I remember reading the role player quote.  It's in one of the several "Davis" threads on CB.  Couldn't find it. I did find this though.

His dream?

"I want to live forever in the game of NBA basketball, and you've got to work hard to do that."

Sort of contradicts what Chris posted, which was obviously a joke.  He also talks about his new eating habits in this story.

http://www.boston.com/yourtown/waltham/articles/2009/03/04/baby_steps/?page=3

[Chris]

History has shown us that he drops the weight only when it benefits him. If the weight keeps him from being drafted he loses it. If it keeps him from getting PT or that next contract, he loses it. Never once have I heard him say that he wants to get it off so that he can help the team win a championship. I am impressed with the work that he is done to slim down the last few months, and it definitely has helped improve his production, but I doubt if they had to choose between him and Powe in the offseason that this won't be a big discussion. Too many guys in the past have done the same thing and it doesn't work out well.

He's the same weight since he's been in the league there is no history of him performing better with less weight in fact the opposite is more than likely the case.  Your mistake is tying his weight to sacrifice.  He's mentioned being a role-player and playing his role for the C's to be successful.  I wonder what the posters look like that harp on this weight issue (non issue).  Are they projecting I wonder?

I remember reading the role player quote.  It's in one of the several "Davis" threads on CB.  Couldn't find it. I did find this though.

His dream?

"I want to live forever in the game of NBA basketball, and you've got to work hard to do that."

Sort of contradicts what Chris posted, which was obviously a joke.  He also talks about his new eating habits in this story.

http://www.boston.com/yourtown/waltham/articles/2009/03/04/baby_steps/?page=3

Yeah, it was a joke.  Doesn't mean there wasn't any truth to it. 

I am a huge Davis fan, but I don't think you can overlook the possibility that he may have some Oliver Miller in him.

[Bankshot]

History has shown us that he drops the weight only when it benefits him. If the weight keeps him from being drafted he loses it. If it keeps him from getting PT or that next contract, he loses it. Never once have I heard him say that he wants to get it off so that he can help the team win a championship. I am impressed with the work that he is done to slim down the last few months, and it definitely has helped improve his production, but I doubt if they had to choose between him and Powe in the offseason that this won't be a big discussion. Too many guys in the past have done the same thing and it doesn't work out well.

He's the same weight since he's been in the league there is no history of him performing better with less weight in fact the opposite is more than likely the case.  Your mistake is tying his weight to sacrifice.  He's mentioned being a role-player and playing his role for the C's to be successful.  I wonder what the posters look like that harp on this weight issue (non issue).  Are they projecting I wonder?

I remember reading the role player quote.  It's in one of the several "Davis" threads on CB.  Couldn't find it. I did find this though.

His dream?

"I want to live forever in the game of NBA basketball, and you've got to work hard to do that."

Sort of contradicts what Chris posted, which was obviously a joke.  He also talks about his new eating habits in this story.

http://www.boston.com/yourtown/waltham/articles/2009/03/04/baby_steps/?page=3

Yeah, it was a joke.  Doesn't mean there wasn't any truth to it. 

I am a huge Davis fan, but I don't think you can overlook the possibility that he may have some Oliver Miller in him.

Of course anything is possible, but Glen Davis is not Oliver Miller so I'm not sure it's fair to judge him based on what someone else did.  Watching Davis from LSU to today, I'm liking what I'm seeing from a him, for working hard to keep the weight off and the rapid progress in his game.