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Re: Will Tony Allen finally see minutes against the Pistons? He should
« Reply #75 on: May 20, 2008, 11:51:11 PM »

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wd stole my thunder! :D

But I guess we have our answer. Tony will be given a half minute of completely meaningless playing time a game.

Maybe one of the smarter things Doc has done this offseason is letting Tony Allen collect splinters in his backside.

I like the rotation the way Doc has it now. With Brown the first big, Posey, Eddie, and some Powe thrown in too.

They looked excellent and comfortable in that rotation two games in a row. Let's not throw a monkey wrench into the rotation by trying to force Tony Allen into a situation he doesn't belong in.


A little to much of the Brown/PJ combo for my taste.  Perkins and KG are just so much better defensively right now. 


Wouldn't have minded seeing Perkins come back sooner for Powe (since Perkins went out so early in the 1st quarter)

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« Reply #76 on: May 20, 2008, 11:51:58 PM »

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Tony not needed today... but House a bit of a concern with Lindsey Hunter's pressure.  We need a better system to get our offense going with House in, else we'll need to try out Cassell or Tony Allen with someone else bringing the ball down.

Positives... Rondo played extremely well, and it all started with ball movement.  He could've scored zero points tonight, and I would've thought he played a good game.  Let's hope he keeps it going because consistency has been his worst enemy this playoffs.
I thought they solved that problem that occured a few times in the first half very well. Don't sit Rondo all that long and have Pierce bring the ball up and be point forward.

Of course that has it's downfalls too because Pierce tries to do too much and inevitably has 3-5 bad turnovers. But he can make up for that with other parts of his game, Eddie House can't.

Keep the rotation the way it is and keep the adjustment Doc made by putting the ball in Pierce's hands when Eddie has to be in there.

Re: Will Tony Allen finally see minutes against the Pistons? He should
« Reply #77 on: May 20, 2008, 11:53:09 PM »

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Tony not needed today... but House a bit of a concern with Lindsey Hunter's pressure.  We need a better system to get our offense going with House in, else we'll need to try out Cassell or Tony Allen with someone else bringing the ball down.

Positives... Rondo played extremely well, and it all started with ball movement.  He could've scored zero points tonight, and I would've thought he played a good game.  Let's hope he keeps it going because consistency has been his worst enemy this playoffs.
I thought they solved that problem that occured a few times in the first half very well. Don't sit Rondo all that long and have Pierce bring the ball up and be point forward.

Of course that has it's downfalls too because Pierce tries to do too much and inevitably has 3-5 bad turnovers. But he can make up for that with other parts of his game, Eddie House can't.

Keep the rotation the way it is and keep the adjustment Doc made by putting the ball in Pierce's hands when Eddie has to be in there.

He might want to switch Pierce's and Ray's rest pattern around the half so Pierce plays more minutes with House. 

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« Reply #78 on: May 20, 2008, 11:55:51 PM »

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wd stole my thunder! :D

But I guess we have our answer. Tony will be given a half minute of completely meaningless playing time a game.

Maybe one of the smarter things Doc has done this offseason is letting Tony Allen collect splinters in his backside.

I like the rotation the way Doc has it now. With Brown the first big, Posey, Eddie, and some Powe thrown in too.

They looked excellent and comfortable in that rotation two games in a row. Let's not throw a monkey wrench into the rotation by trying to force Tony Allen into a situation he doesn't belong in.


A little to much of the Brown/PJ combo for my taste.  Perkins and KG are just so much better defensively right now. 


Wouldn't have minded seeing Perkins come back sooner for Powe (since Perkins went out so early in the 1st quarter)
I like Brown in there but more with the starters in place of Perk. I think a Powe/Perk combo is better suited than the Powe/Brown one.

But I'm not going to nitpick because all I'm talking about is a couple of minutes more for one guy and a couple less for another.

Those things will probably even out over the course of the series.

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« Reply #79 on: May 20, 2008, 11:56:10 PM »

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We saw the limit of Tony's minutes during meaningful game time (non-garbage)


Coming in at he end of the 1st quarter (30 second left) to play defense and give Ray (or Pierce) a little extra rest early.

Taking over Eddie House's vacant role of "come in for the last 20 seconds of the period so no one meaningful picks up a stupid foul".  It's a tough job, but someone's gotta do it.
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« Reply #80 on: May 20, 2008, 11:57:24 PM »

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We saw the limit of Tony's minutes during meaningful game time (non-garbage)


Coming in at he end of the 1st quarter (30 second left) to play defense and give Ray (or Pierce) a little extra rest early.

Taking over Eddie House's vacant role of "come in for the last 20 seconds of the period so no one meaningful picks up a stupid foul".  It's a tough job, but someone's gotta do it.


House still has that roll when the Celtics have the ball.


The only difference, he will stay in if it is the end of the 1st or 3rd quarter.

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« Reply #81 on: May 20, 2008, 11:58:39 PM »

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wd stole my thunder! :D

But I guess we have our answer. Tony will be given a half minute of completely meaningless playing time a game.

Maybe one of the smarter things Doc has done this offseason is letting Tony Allen collect splinters in his backside.

I like the rotation the way Doc has it now. With Brown the first big, Posey, Eddie, and some Powe thrown in too.

They looked excellent and comfortable in that rotation two games in a row. Let's not throw a monkey wrench into the rotation by trying to force Tony Allen into a situation he doesn't belong in.


A little to much of the Brown/PJ combo for my taste.  Perkins and KG are just so much better defensively right now. 


Wouldn't have minded seeing Perkins come back sooner for Powe (since Perkins went out so early in the 1st quarter)
I like Brown in there but more with the starters in place of Perk. I think a Powe/Perk combo is better suited than the Powe/Brown one.

But I'm not going to nitpick because all I'm talking about is a couple of minutes more for one guy and a couple less for another.

Those things will probably even out over the course of the series.


I think the majority of the minutes go to the three best defenders (since they are going to do well on the boards against the Pistons no matter who they play)


Re: Will Tony Allen finally see minutes against the Pistons? He should
« Reply #82 on: May 21, 2008, 12:00:54 AM »

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Tony not needed today... but House a bit of a concern with Lindsey Hunter's pressure.  We need a better system to get our offense going with House in, else we'll need to try out Cassell or Tony Allen with someone else bringing the ball down.

Positives... Rondo played extremely well, and it all started with ball movement.  He could've scored zero points tonight, and I would've thought he played a good game.  Let's hope he keeps it going because consistency has been his worst enemy this playoffs.
I thought they solved that problem that occured a few times in the first half very well. Don't sit Rondo all that long and have Pierce bring the ball up and be point forward.

Of course that has it's downfalls too because Pierce tries to do too much and inevitably has 3-5 bad turnovers. But he can make up for that with other parts of his game, Eddie House can't.

Keep the rotation the way it is and keep the adjustment Doc made by putting the ball in Pierce's hands when Eddie has to be in there.

I'm with you 100%, but lets not get carried away because it helped that Rondo was having a good game tonight. Too often this playoffs he has killed our offense. Let's hope Rondo can keep it going because his incosistent play, especially running the offense and ball movement wise, has been bugging me quite a bit.

So, we might find ourselves in a situation that Rondo is not having a good game, yet we might still play him because we need him to simply be able to get the ball past the half court, and that's no good. We might have House in there who could play a good game for us, but wouldn't be allowed to participate.  Then we have to go with plan C, with Cassell and see what he has...

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« Reply #83 on: May 21, 2008, 12:01:17 AM »

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Tony not needed today... but House a bit of a concern with Lindsey Hunter's pressure.  We need a better system to get our offense going with House in, else we'll need to try out Cassell or Tony Allen with someone else bringing the ball down.

Positives... Rondo played extremely well, and it all started with ball movement.  He could've scored zero points tonight, and I would've thought he played a good game.  Let's hope he keeps it going because consistency has been his worst enemy this playoffs.
I thought they solved that problem that occured a few times in the first half very well. Don't sit Rondo all that long and have Pierce bring the ball up and be point forward.

Of course that has it's downfalls too because Pierce tries to do too much and inevitably has 3-5 bad turnovers. But he can make up for that with other parts of his game, Eddie House can't.

Keep the rotation the way it is and keep the adjustment Doc made by putting the ball in Pierce's hands when Eddie has to be in there.

He might want to switch Pierce's and Ray's rest pattern around the half so Pierce plays more minutes with House. 
Pierce played with Eddie for all of Eddie's minutes but 2. I think the rotation could be tweeked that way but I don't think it's a huge thing.

Re: Will Tony Allen finally see minutes against the Pistons? He should
« Reply #84 on: May 21, 2008, 12:07:35 AM »

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Tony not needed today... but House a bit of a concern with Lindsey Hunter's pressure.  We need a better system to get our offense going with House in, else we'll need to try out Cassell or Tony Allen with someone else bringing the ball down.

Positives... Rondo played extremely well, and it all started with ball movement.  He could've scored zero points tonight, and I would've thought he played a good game.  Let's hope he keeps it going because consistency has been his worst enemy this playoffs.
I thought they solved that problem that occured a few times in the first half very well. Don't sit Rondo all that long and have Pierce bring the ball up and be point forward.

Of course that has it's downfalls too because Pierce tries to do too much and inevitably has 3-5 bad turnovers. But he can make up for that with other parts of his game, Eddie House can't.

Keep the rotation the way it is and keep the adjustment Doc made by putting the ball in Pierce's hands when Eddie has to be in there.

I'm with you 100%, but lets not get carried away because it helped that Rondo was having a good game tonight. Too often this playoffs he has killed our offense. Let's hope Rondo can keep it going because his incosistent play, especially running the offense and ball movement wise, has been bugging me quite a bit.

So, we might find ourselves in a situation that Rondo is not having a good game, yet we might still play him because we need him to simply be able to get the ball past the half court, and that's no good. We might have House in there who could play a good game for us, but wouldn't be allowed to participate.  Then we have to go with plan C, with Cassell and see what he has...
Let's hope it doesn't come down to that.

Every single player on this team has been inconsistent for a month now. It would not surprise me if this team has now realized just how good they are and start playing that smart, consistent, intense ball we saw all season.

It wouldn't surprise me to see the Celtics make the next two series look easy as compared to the first two.

Of course that could just be that "feel good be cause we lead the ECF" feeling coming to the top.

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« Reply #85 on: May 21, 2008, 12:20:21 AM »

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Tony not needed today... but House a bit of a concern with Lindsey Hunter's pressure.  We need a better system to get our offense going with House in, else we'll need to try out Cassell or Tony Allen with someone else bringing the ball down.

Positives... Rondo played extremely well, and it all started with ball movement.  He could've scored zero points tonight, and I would've thought he played a good game.  Let's hope he keeps it going because consistency has been his worst enemy this playoffs.
I thought they solved that problem that occured a few times in the first half very well. Don't sit Rondo all that long and have Pierce bring the ball up and be point forward.

Of course that has it's downfalls too because Pierce tries to do too much and inevitably has 3-5 bad turnovers. But he can make up for that with other parts of his game, Eddie House can't.

Keep the rotation the way it is and keep the adjustment Doc made by putting the ball in Pierce's hands when Eddie has to be in there.

I'm with you 100%, but lets not get carried away because it helped that Rondo was having a good game tonight. Too often this playoffs he has killed our offense. Let's hope Rondo can keep it going because his incosistent play, especially running the offense and ball movement wise, has been bugging me quite a bit.

So, we might find ourselves in a situation that Rondo is not having a good game, yet we might still play him because we need him to simply be able to get the ball past the half court, and that's no good. We might have House in there who could play a good game for us, but wouldn't be allowed to participate.  Then we have to go with plan C, with Cassell and see what he has...
Let's hope it doesn't come down to that.

Every single player on this team has been inconsistent for a month now. It would not surprise me if this team has now realized just how good they are and start playing that smart, consistent, intense ball we saw all season.

It wouldn't surprise me to see the Celtics make the next two series look easy as compared to the first two.

Of course that could just be that "feel good be cause we lead the ECF" feeling coming to the top.

I'm with you, but the difference is that with Rondo's responsibility of running the offense, his inconsisten play affects our team to a larger degree. I have no problem with him not shooting well, as long as his shots are coming from the flow of the offense and he keeps our offense moving.

People can talk all about Ray's struggles, but I don't see his struggles hurting our team that much.  I see Ray setting up a lot of his teammates up too, and that's one of the main reasons he doesn't really hurt us much out there when he's not hitting the jumper. Could we be having an easier time with him knocking down shots? Sure, but he doesn't really kill our offense either way when he misses shots... with the level of responsibility Rondo has in our offense, more often than not, he can kill our offense in a fairly easy manner.

Ray incosistent play is reflected in a more individual level, while Rondo's incosistency reflects a poor performance from our whole offense, and that has to do with the roles they play in our offense, and playing within that role. Ray can play bad, and still play within the teams offense, but when Rondo plays bad it simply means that his not playing Celtic's offense, and that has been my main issue with him this playoffs.

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« Reply #86 on: May 23, 2008, 12:23:49 AM »

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More of an answer tonight.


Most definitely not. 


4 minutes, 44 second.  The Celtics a minus 10 during that.