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How about some Tony Allen...
« on: May 12, 2008, 11:08:12 AM »

Offline Tommy Gun

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How about some Tony Allen to defend.. Lebron, Wally or even Delonte..that way you can use Posey to come in for defense on Lebron to replace Pierce..Then you could bring Ray Allen or just play him agaianst Clevelands bench where he should be more effective..

Right now Cleveland is just getting away with Bumping and Banging Ray Allen alll over the court
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Re: How about some Tony Allen...
« Reply #1 on: May 12, 2008, 11:27:07 AM »

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If the Celtics want more defense and a little less Ray, increase Posey's minutes.  Don't use an extra player.

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« Reply #2 on: May 12, 2008, 11:32:20 AM »

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Yeah but you want Posey on Lebron mainly/  as he is doing a great job..By using TA you could create a better offensive match up for Ray Allen..

The idea of shortening a roster is one thing...But this game is about match ups Doc never seems to get a good match up going in his favor..

TA could play some good defense and take it strong to the hoop picking up some fouls on the Cavs...Wally can't guard TA
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« Reply #3 on: May 12, 2008, 11:34:12 AM »

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Yeah but you want Posey on Lebron mainly/  as he is doing a great job..By using TA you could create a better offensive match up for Ray Allen..

The idea of shortening a roster is one thing...But this game is about match ups Doc never seems to get a good match up going in his favor..

TA could play some good defense and take it strong to the hoop picking up some fouls on the Cavs...Wally can't guard TA

The better offensive matchup is forcing Wally to guard Pierce and attacking. 

I don't trust TA to be the offensive focus. 


At this point, he is a defensive specialist.  Able to step in at the end of quarters to pick up quick offensive players. 

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The better offensive matchup is forcing Wally to guard Pierce and attacking. 
How do you force Wally to guard Pierce?

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The better offensive matchup is forcing Wally to guard Pierce and attacking. 
How do you force Wally to guard Pierce?


Lots of off the ball movement with screens. 

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The better offensive matchup is forcing Wally to guard Pierce and attacking. 
How do you force Wally to guard Pierce?


Lots of off the ball movement with screens. 


Also, tighten up the defense, create stops, and push the ball quickly.


Don't give Cleveland's defense enough time for Wally and James to switch men (since Posey would be on James and closer to him then Wally, same with Pierce and Wally)

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Yeah but you want Posey on Lebron mainly/  as he is doing a great job..By using TA you could create a better offensive match up for Ray Allen..

The idea of shortening a roster is one thing...But this game is about match ups Doc never seems to get a good match up going in his favor..

TA could play some good defense and take it strong to the hoop picking up some fouls on the Cavs...Wally can't guard TA

I tend to agree with this assessment. If Ray's giving us nothing, if Ray is losing his matchup, put Tony in. He may not be as good offensively, but he can stop Wally.

On the other hand, just go with this lineup, from 1 to 5: Rondo (or House), Pierce, Posey, Powe, KG. Pierce gets to "rest" a bit from guarding LeBron and hopefully his offense increases as a result.

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« Reply #8 on: May 12, 2008, 11:45:09 AM »

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The better offensive matchup is forcing Wally to guard Pierce and attacking. 
How do you force Wally to guard Pierce?


Lots of off the ball movement with screens. 

I've liked it when they run that high screen and roll between Rondo and Pierce. Get Delonte on him. Pierce has been able to beat him in the post and off the dribble. I'd like more of that. That's a very good matchup for Pierce, he knows Delonte's every defensive flaw.

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« Reply #9 on: May 12, 2008, 11:49:02 AM »

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The better offensive matchup is forcing Wally to guard Pierce and attacking. 
How do you force Wally to guard Pierce?


Lots of off the ball movement with screens. 

I've liked it when they run that high screen and roll between Rondo and Pierce. Get Delonte on him. Pierce has been able to beat him in the post and off the dribble. I'd like more of that. That's a very good matchup for Pierce, he knows Delonte's every defensive flaw.


That works to though the Celtics for some reason don't pass the ball into the post enough when there are mismatches.

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« Reply #10 on: May 12, 2008, 11:57:11 AM »

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The better offensive matchup is forcing Wally to guard Pierce and attacking. 
How do you force Wally to guard Pierce?


Lots of off the ball movement with screens. 

I've liked it when they run that high screen and roll between Rondo and Pierce. Get Delonte on him. Pierce has been able to beat him in the post and off the dribble. I'd like more of that. That's a very good matchup for Pierce, he knows Delonte's every defensive flaw.


That works to though the Celtics for some reason don't pass the ball into the post enough when there are mismatches.

It's mind boggling how bad their recognition as a team has been when it comes to exploiting mismatches. The point guards have to take a lot of the heat, not all but most of it, for that.

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I've liked it when they run that high screen and roll between Rondo and Pierce. Get Delonte on him. Pierce has been able to beat him in the post and off the dribble. I'd like more of that. That's a very good matchup for Pierce, he knows Delonte's every defensive flaw.

Yes, this play and getting the ball to KG on the block should be the only plays they run until the Cavs can stop them. I don't understadn the Cs offense at times. It looks lost. These two plays should get them grounded.

Of course, Pierce and Garnett have to execute. Pierce has to stop settling and KG has to stop fading away. Why doesn't he lean into the foul insted of fading away from it? he shoots far too few free throws.

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« Reply #12 on: May 12, 2008, 02:19:11 PM »

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I agree completely that Paul needs to stop settling.  He's at his best when he's taking it to the hole - and this isn't even mentioning the extra fouls that LeBron and Big Z might take in trying to stop him.  This might take some people away from the outside, as well, opening Ray up for some good looks.   

As for KG, I don't necessarily think he should stop fading - that shot is nearly impossible to block from the front unless the defender fouls.  That said, I think he should lean in every now and then to keep the defender honest.  Even if he just goes straight up, Wallace/Varejao will probably jump in his lap thinking that he's going to fade away again.  The ref has to call the foul at that point.  He can have his way with anybody the Cavs put on him if his shot is falling.

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I'm not as down on TAllen as much as a lot of foks on the board here. I think his season was disappointing in many ways but the one thing he adds come playoff time is defensive toughness and offensive aggression. I don't think TAllen would care if Shaq, Rodman and Mahorn were inside waiting..it wouldn't occur to him to "not go for the hole".

Look, he has his limits but he brings a toughness much like Posey's that we sorely need in the playoffs as far as I can see, especially in our backcourt. He's also great in the passing lanes and will create some havoc on D.

I'd like to see a little more of the following rotation in the backcourt: Rondo and Ray followed by Sam and TAllen. I think one of the reasons Ray has struggled throughout the season is because Doc plays him too many minutes. He's a jump shooter and needs his legs. When Ray has played less minutes over all he's been much more accurate with his shot.

Also, I wouldn't mind a little more Big baby for the physical aspect.

And yeah, they need to attack and stop taking jump shots all the time.

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« Reply #14 on: May 12, 2008, 04:30:14 PM »

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4 TO's per 10 minutes = no go for long stretchs on offense in the playoffs.

add in the fact that he has a horrendous jumper, and i'm all set with TA in anything other than his current role of spot defensive guy.
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