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Offline Triboy16

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Danny had the third pick and he would have chosen horford and we didn't get ray allen nor kg then either. Horford has been a kocky young guy but he is good nobody can deny. He plays hard, gets you rebounds, plays good d and has some offense, can pass.(like a poor mans kg without as good offense)

Great win tonight and its over in 6, but just for discussion purpose what if we did draft horford and had a lineup of horford, al jefferson, pierce, tony allen/gerald green, rondo/west? with gomes as our 6th guy instead of posey(maybe trade perk, gerald for a legit sg)

That lineup doesn't touch what we have today but in a couple of years a al/horford combo would have a dangerous frontcourt

If danny had the third pick , you guys see him taking horford and the trades not happening?

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Horford's a hell of a player.  He can bring his mouth over to the Green side any time he's ready and we would love him big time.
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I like Horford, but let me just say that he looks like a jackass when he flexes his muscles after he scores.  Someone tell him to stop for his sake?

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Game 5
Horford 41.5 minutes, 14 points 10 rebounds
Perk and Powe - 46 minutes, 12 points and 11 rebounds. 

Al's a young guy with a lot of potential, but he's a bit immature.  I'll take our current team, thank you (although I agree Danny would have taken him at 3, and AL, AL, Perk and Powe would have been the best group of young bigs in the league by far).
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Horford is a much better player than I thought he'd be coming out of college

good for him

he doesn't do anything all out players do and other than the finger in the face of Pierce I don't really have much problem with it
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Well the whole "if" thing is kinda hard to discuss since not only did we make the trades but we didn't even have the third pick. But I liked Horford coming out and thought without a doubt after the first Florida championship that he would eventually be the man out of the group that would eventually make it big in the pros from that group.

Al and Horford underneath would be nice but would be problemsome because I don't think either will ever become a threat from 15-18 feet. Without either ever having the threat of that jumper things would get awfully clogged down low and teams could pack it in and make the Celts beat them from outside.

That's why I think the Josh Smith/Joe Johnson/Al Horford trio could be so potent in the years to come. Joe can shoot and slash. Al is a low post beast. And Smith can do a little bit of everything offensively. They'll space out the offense well, once they get a decent coach and pass first PG. And defensively they are solid.

All that said if after his rookie contract he wants to sign with the C's because we will have lots of cap room, I'm all for signing him.

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I don't think Horford is immature -- unless you are saying KG is immature. Horford is just intense and never intimidated. He definitely has a winning attitude.

I loved our chant this evening when Horford was embellishing the hurt from a foul. First the chant started "You a *****" with the missing word being a not so nice 5 letter synonym for cat, and then the abbreviated chant with only the 5 letter word.

Did the chant come through on the TV?

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Horford's a hell of a player.  He can bring his mouth over to the Green side any time he's ready and we would love him big time.
Completely agree!  Rookie of year in my bk

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I don't think Horford is immature -- unless you are saying KG is immature. Horford is just intense and never intimidated. He definitely has a winning attitude.

I loved our chant this evening when Horford was embellishing the hurt from a foul. First the chant started "You a *****" with the missing word being a not so nice 5 letter synonym for cat, and then the abbreviated chant with only the 5 letter word.

Did the chant come through on the TV?


That's what it was? It was hard to make out.

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I like Horford, but let me just say that he looks like a jackass when he flexes his muscles after he scores.  Someone tell him to stop for his sake?

Flexing after getting an uncontested dunk is immature.  Flexing when you're team is down by 15 is just plain stupid.

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Horford and Smith have really impressed me.  It's going to be fun to watch those two mature and the Hawks games next year should be very exciting.
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Well the whole "if" thing is kinda hard to discuss since not only did we make the trades but we didn't even have the third pick. But I liked Horford coming out and thought without a doubt after the first Florida championship that he would eventually be the man out of the group that would eventually make it big in the pros from that group.

Al and Horford underneath would be nice but would be problemsome because I don't think either will ever become a threat from 15-18 feet. Without either ever having the threat of that jumper things would get awfully clogged down low and teams could pack it in and make the Celts beat them from outside.

That's why I think the Josh Smith/Joe Johnson/Al Horford trio could be so potent in the years to come. Joe can shoot and slash. Al is a low post beast. And Smith can do a little bit of everything offensively. They'll space out the offense well, once they get a decent coach and pass first PG. And defensively they are solid.

All that said if after his rookie contract he wants to sign with the C's because we will have lots of cap room, I'm all for signing him.

Although he's had a lot of trouble in the Garden, i've actually been impressed with the range i've seen from Horford.  Coming out of Florida i didn't think he had any semblence of an offesnive game outside of putbacks off of offensive rebounds, but the array of moves he's shown out of the post, his willingness to drive to the basket and finnish with power or finnesse, and his confidence in his mid-range ability have been astonishing to me.  He doesn't hit that jumper with consistency, but the stroke looks good and he seems to trust his shot - 2 things that will likely allow him to rapidly impove in that area.  He already seems lightyears ahead of where Rondo was with his jumper as a rookie.

He's already come so far from day one to now, i'm interested to see what this kid will look like with a full season under his belt and an offseason diet of 1,000 jumpers/day.

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I don't think Celtics fans hate Horford, I think Boston bandwagon fans do... Horford is a good player, by the time the draft rolled around he was the concensus number 3 I think, he impressed a lot of people when they actually met him and worked him out.

It would have been interesting for a lot of reasons. It probably would have prevented us from being the team we are now. If we pick him and keep him, we don't make the big trades which is big not just for us but because those trades arguably paved the way for the midseason trades in the West (although those may have been more based on the Gasol heist). Plus, instead of the Hawks just swapping picks with us, the Suns would have had the sixth pick, with a choice of guys like Brewer, Noah, Brandan Wright, Jeff Green, etc. Again, who knows what they would have done. Maybe they take Noah and don't make the Shaq trade? Atlanta would have not had a pick and would not be in the playoffs. With our lineup of Al-Al-Pierce-Wally-Rondo, who knows what we would have done. Maybe we'd be the 7th or 8th seed limping in to face Detroit or Orlando (who would have been 1 and 2). Or, maybe Minnesota would have accepted the third pick instead of Al and we would have Al instead of Ray Allen. Maybe Minnesota makes the same deal but instead of us throwing in future picks, we swap last year's 3 for last year's 7, and we still have the pieces for a deal with Seattle. We end up the exact same but Minnesota has Horford and Phoenix has the sixth pick. It's really hard to say. I guess it's interesting, but I'm much happier to be where we are now.

As for the crowd chants when Horford was "embellishing the hurt," Ray Allen smacked him in the face and caught his eye. From what I've seen of Horford, he's not going to embellish his injury. He has too much testosterone to fake injuries, if it wasn't that bad he probably just would have gotten in Ray's face. Dude got caught in the face, it clearly messed with him.

And watching the replay, it didn't look that unintentional by Ray (his eyes seemed to be on Horford's face, not the ball, when he made the play). Honestly, it was probably worse than the flagrant they called on Horford although I understand why the calls went the way they did - Horford was not making a real play on the ball, just making sure the shot didn't get off. It wasn't a hard foul, there was no intent to injure just intent to prevent an and one or an easy layin. Nonetheless, it was early in the game and this series has been escalating, so the refs couldn't take that chance early on. Had the Ray foul been the one in the first quarter, he may have gotten a flagrant for it.

When the Ray thing happened, it was late in the game, the Cs were already up big and Ray appeared at first glance to be strictly going for the ball. No reason for a flagrant call there. If the Hawks made that play it likely would have been viewed as instigation or frustration by a hot-headed young player over a big loss and earned a flagrant but because the Celtics were ahead and Ray is a calm veteran, there's no inferences drawn from the play and no close analysis of it. I'm not saying Ray did it on purpose, but if he did, it was smart - well-timed and innocuous enough not to get a flagrant against him, but hard and directed enough to get a point across, plus there was enough of a cushion with little enough time remaining that it wasn't going to rally the Hawks to a comeback.  
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I knew Horford was the best player on that Florida team during the first championship run.  I knew he would be a good pro.  He was an easy guy to like because he was quiet and did his thing without all the showmanship.  But I guess the Playoffs and the big stage coupled with a few big paychecks can change a guy.  With that being said, the guy can flat out play.  And along with J. Johnson and Josh Smith this team is going to be tough next season with this experience under their collective belts.  Give this team Chris Paul and they are the second best team in the east too.

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Horford and Smith have really impressed me.  It's going to be fun to watch those two mature and the Hawks games next year should be very exciting.

There are plenty of players that can score in both the NBA and the NBDL but whats separates a good basketball player from a star player is consistency and neither Horford or Smith have shown that throughout the regular season or this series for that matter.  To me its easier to play when your emotions are running high and no one is that familiar with your game/tendencies.  In other words, they're still playing college ball in the NBA. 

BTW, they also need to learn to play defense...
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