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Re: Will Doc Ever Coach a Team Out of the First Round?
« Reply #15 on: April 28, 2008, 11:26:57 PM »

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if we made our Layups and Freethrows would we have won..?...

ur absolutely right bass.  playing better defense and keeping them off the offensive glass would have helped too.

Re: Will Doc Ever Coach a Team Out of the First Round?
« Reply #16 on: April 28, 2008, 11:27:20 PM »

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This series is on Doc.  Doc has no excuse if the Celtics were to lose this.  One game lose in Atlanta, fine.  Two!!!  This team has no excuse. 



Make an adjustment already.  The Hawks made an adjustment.  It is working.  The Celtics respond by playing different lineups, but change nothing they do.






Listening to him right now is making me more and more upset. 


The Celtics offense was fine in the 4th.  The shots were good, they just didn't fall. 

The Defense was fine in the 4th.



This team is defense.  And they didn't play defense going into the 4th.  House should not have been in there.  Atlanta not longer had issues getting in to their offense. 


I would rather see Tony Allen in there at that point.  Keep the defensive pressure up.


This is where coaches are important.  And the Celtics just blew a 10 point lead to the Atlanta Hawks. 


Doc, step up.  You have to win one game in Atlanta if this team is ever to have a chance of winning a title.  Play like this after this round, Celtics go home early.

Re: Will Doc Ever Coach a Team Out of the First Round?
« Reply #17 on: April 28, 2008, 11:29:11 PM »

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I hope that people have not lost complete faith in this team in 2 games.

Re: Will Doc Ever Coach a Team Out of the First Round?
« Reply #18 on: April 28, 2008, 11:29:51 PM »

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If all the defensive credit goes to Tom Tib, he should take the blame too for our lack of defense, wouldn't that be fair?

Re: Will Doc Ever Coach a Team Out of the First Round?
« Reply #19 on: April 28, 2008, 11:29:59 PM »

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I truly feel that if we really have a great team that can win a championship..which I believe to be true from what I saw in the regular season, it is the job of the coach to get us there. He did a good job during the season and got his kudos for it, now when the season really counts, it is time for him to take us to the promised land or join Isiah on the golf course. He made many questionable decisions in the past 2 games and also, during his preperation of playing the games.

I truly believe if our coach was a great one, we would either be flying back to Boston for the clincher or already preparing for the Cavs.

There should be no excuse for Doc not getting us to the finals..period..someone needs to get that chicken bone out of his throat and get us back on the right track..it all begins with defense and proper substitutions/changes in coverage when 2 players are lighting it up for over a quarter straight..Where was Perk in the 4th quarter? Why didn't our coverage adapt or change? Who is our coach again?

A great coach can get great things from good players

A great coach can inspire great players to rise to all challenges..

A great coach can handle adversity

A bad coach can let great players wilt in big games and not say the right things or make the necessary changes to inspire the greatness within

A bad coach lets a snowball turn into in avalanche

I hope that the past 2 games of adversity will turn our coach into something special but after watching the past few nights, I am finding that scenario not too likely. We can win either way but it should not be this hard against a team 8 games under 500 that backslid into the playoffs. There should be no excuses

If C's Lose this Series, Is Doc Gone?
« Reply #20 on: April 28, 2008, 11:30:09 PM »

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i just wrote a big long post, and the site failed to upload it. ArrrggghH!

not in any mood to write again, so I will just ask, If the c's lose, is doc gone? I have to say yes.

Ainge assembled a great team. they did it in the regular season, but what doc has done in the playoffs has been, in my mind, predictable. he is a terrible, terrible coach, and he is the main reason they lost tonight.

so i will ask my fellow c's fans: if they lose two out of the next three, is doc gone?
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Re: Will Doc Ever Coach a Team Out of the First Round?
« Reply #21 on: April 28, 2008, 11:30:18 PM »

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Let me start off by saying that I was far from a fan of Doc last year, he blew a lot of games in the final few minutes (and this was when the Celts were still trying to win). This year I figured I'd give him the benefit of the doubt because I wanted to see what he could do with solid players. Although I still feel he cost the Celts a few games this year I was overall pretty pleased with him for getting the team to bond as much as it did. However, after watching these first four games and thinking more about it, I have decided that is just an easy cop-out for Doc created by the media. So what if he got the team to play together? As Pierce said in an interview they really came together as a team during their overseas trip in the pre-season. I am not sure Doc even deserves as much credit as he gets, a lot of the chemistry had to do with just the right mix of guys coming together.

I can not stand the way Doc coaches. All season when the Celts were in tight games in the fourth quarter (including the past two games), Doc had this overconfidence about him that bugs the crap out of me. The only time he ever seems mad is at the refs. He seems just as overconfident as the players at times, and that really scares me. He relys wayyyy to much on the Celts ability to shoot the three ball, often inserting 3 point shooters rather than the Celts better defenders looking for a quick fix. An example from tonight was how he allowed Ray to continue to try to cover Johnson even though he was getting torched, and only switched Paul onto him in the final minute or two (When this happened Paul forced Johnson to miss, but Ray couldnt keep the bigger Childress from getting the offensive board). Tony Allen should have got more time in this series early on. Doc was willing to go a little offense defense with Cassell and Rondo at the end, I think the Celts would have been a lot better off if he went offense defense with Ray and Tony. Tony matches up really well with Johnson.

Also, you'd think with one of the top ten power forwards of all time on his team he'd run a lot more low post plays for KG throughout the game. He wastes his timeouts at silly times early in the fourth. Probably my biggest problem with Doc is how he allows the Celts to stray away from their game plan in the fourth and fall back to one on one play. I don't care that Paul, Ray, and KG, are all future Hall of Famers, Doc needs to make a stand with them and demand they run at least a set play every couple times down the court in the fourth. Doc is by far the most overrated coach in the league. I give him credit, he does know the game very well and gets along with the players. However, it seems to me he knows very little on how to coach a team when it actually matters.


Re: Will Doc Ever Coach a Team Out of the First Round?
« Reply #22 on: April 28, 2008, 11:31:22 PM »

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This series is on Doc.  Doc has no excuse if the Celtics were to lose this.  One game lose in Atlanta, fine.  Two!!!  This team has no excuse. 



Make an adjustment already.  The Hawks made an adjustment.  It is working.  The Celtics respond by playing different lineups, but change nothing they do.






Listening to him right now is making me more and more upset. 


The Celtics offense was fine in the 4th.  The shots were good, they just didn't fall. 

The Defense was fine in the 4th.



This team is defense.  And they didn't play defense going into the 4th.  House should not have been in there.  Atlanta not longer had issues getting in to their offense. 


I would rather see Tony Allen in there at that point.  Keep the defensive pressure up.


This is where coaches are important.  And the Celtics just blew a 10 point lead to the Atlanta Hawks. 


Doc, step up.  You have to win one game in Atlanta if this team is ever to have a chance of winning a title.  Play like this after this round, Celtics go home early.

Adjustments?  They don't need adjustments.  You didn't hear Doc the other night after the first loss say that they didn't need adjustment, they just needed to play better? He'll probably make adjustments if the Hawks take the Cs to 7 games. ::)
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Re: Will Doc Ever Coach a Team Out of the First Round?
« Reply #23 on: April 28, 2008, 11:32:14 PM »

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naw Nora...not this fan right here...

Re: Will Doc Ever Coach a Team Out of the First Round?
« Reply #24 on: April 28, 2008, 11:32:49 PM »

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Doc Rivers = Flip Saunders. Enough said.

Re: If C's Lose this Series, Is Doc Gone?
« Reply #25 on: April 28, 2008, 11:34:07 PM »

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Yup. No question about it and he will deserve it.

I'd like to see Rick Carlyle or Tom Thibodeau given a chance here if Doc has to go.

Re: Will Doc Ever Coach a Team Out of the First Round?
« Reply #26 on: April 28, 2008, 11:35:30 PM »

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This series is on Doc.  Doc has no excuse if the Celtics were to lose this.  One game lose in Atlanta, fine.  Two!!!  This team has no excuse. 



Make an adjustment already.  The Hawks made an adjustment.  It is working.  The Celtics respond by playing different lineups, but change nothing they do.






Listening to him right now is making me more and more upset. 


The Celtics offense was fine in the 4th.  The shots were good, they just didn't fall. 

The Defense was fine in the 4th.



This team is defense.  And they didn't play defense going into the 4th.  House should not have been in there.  Atlanta not longer had issues getting in to their offense. 


I would rather see Tony Allen in there at that point.  Keep the defensive pressure up.


This is where coaches are important.  And the Celtics just blew a 10 point lead to the Atlanta Hawks. 


Doc, step up.  You have to win one game in Atlanta if this team is ever to have a chance of winning a title.  Play like this after this round, Celtics go home early.

The big three played almost the entire game other than PP who missed a big stretch in the first half due to stupid fouls. Rondo played 35. Perk played 25, which is his season average. Powe came in and did nothing. Sam came in and as usual did nothing. House came in and was cold (which is exactly why I didn't want Sam taking his minutes.) He did nothing.

What ADJUSTMENTS do you guys think Doc should be making?! He is letting his stars play the game. Should he come out in Boston with a starting lineup of Perk, BBD, Posey, TA, and Sam?! He is playing his best guys the majority of the minutes and they are getting caught up in the emotion. They are the ones playing like the rookies, not Atlanta. He has changed matchups defensively. The players just aren't getting it done. Stop blaming Doc just because you don't like the guy. He isn't the one missing the shots.

Think about this. If you had said we would have outrebounded them  this game, including 15-8 on the offensive boards, turned it over 10 times vs. their 17, and they went 4-18 from the three point land, wouldn't you think we'd blow them out?! Had KG, PP, Rondo hit their shots we would have. Put the blame where it rightly lies. Doc put the stars in a position to win and Ray Allen was the only one that stepped up to the plate.
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Re: If C's Lose this Series, Is Doc Gone?
« Reply #27 on: April 28, 2008, 11:35:44 PM »

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I think it goes without saying.  I can't see us losing this series -- but if we do -- Doc is long gone (and he knows it).  I believe in Doc (but he did not look comfortable in the post-game, did he?).

Re: If C's Lose this Series, Is Doc Gone?
« Reply #28 on: April 28, 2008, 11:36:40 PM »

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I hope he'll be gone. >:(
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Re: If C's Lose this Series, Is Doc Gone?
« Reply #29 on: April 28, 2008, 11:36:53 PM »

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doc is here to stay..we already got "get rid of doc" threads so add your comment there no need to start new ones for me to defend him..