Celticsblog fantasy bball keeper league (Draft Thread)

[AllabouttheGREEN]

I tend to agree with everything yall hate said (although if you want to open the lottery to the bottom three teams, I won't complain).  My team was a trainwreck from the time I took it over, but I fought the good fight until about a week ago.  At this point, it's tank mode.  (Hell, if the players on my fantasy team can do it in real life, I don't see a lot of harm in our league).

I think any points-based keeper league is going to encourage tanking in the last couple of weeks of the season.  Some may do it subtly, but if you're going to do something, you may as well do it all out.

Everybody makes valid points and quite frankly I'm content to side with whatever consensus we reach collectively.   However, I do think we should try to reach out to any "absentee" owners that may have become permanently disengaged/discouraged and check in with them regarding their individual thought processes at this point.  If they want to hang it up, then perhaps we can try to invite a few more participants who are more apt to be involved and excited to take their place.   

[ChampKind]

I'm fine with any changes.  The problem I have with absentee owners is that some of them are guys who lobbied for their own inclusion since they didn't have enough posts are the guys tanking or have just been gone all year (jayhovaone).  While it's unfair to just kick someone out, I think that we should have a post where interested returning managers have to reply to be included, and those who don't lose their spot - post the message on both CB and in the Yahoo league.  If the manager is too ignorant to both to reply, then they should be cut.  Any open spots can be given to tenured posters. 

[yall hate]

I just went around and looked at the bottom 5-7 teams.  It is amazing how many games below the norm they are in terms of players playing.  I understand injuries can play into that greatly (as you dont want to drop injured players) or young players who are getting dnp's, but I wonder if some of the members were more vigorous with playing and manipulating the lineups how many more points/competitive the standings would be.

as for the potential lottery between the bottom 5 or so, one problem with that i see is that then the bottom 5-6 may tank extra hard early in order to crack the bottom three so as to have a shot at number 1.  I am sure tanking will go on no matter what, so whatever we decide i am sure will be fine.

[Lucky17]

Everybody makes valid points and quite frankly I'm content to side with whatever consensus we reach collectively.   However, I do think we should try to reach out to any "absentee" owners that may have become permanently disengaged/discouraged and check in with them regarding their individual thought processes at this point.  If they want to hang it up, then perhaps we can try to invite a few more participants who are more apt to be involved and excited to take their place.   

Having reread my comments earlier (which I fired off pretty quickly before ending my day at the office), I just want to clarify that my original intent was to take the course of action that AATG proposes here. I do plan to check in with all GMs to see who wants to continue and who's not interested in playing next year.

[AllabouttheGREEN]

Everybody makes valid points and quite frankly I'm content to side with whatever consensus we reach collectively.   However, I do think we should try to reach out to any "absentee" owners that may have become permanently disengaged/discouraged and check in with them regarding their individual thought processes at this point.  If they want to hang it up, then perhaps we can try to invite a few more participants who are more apt to be involved and excited to take their place.   

Having reread my comments earlier (which I fired off pretty quickly before ending my day at the office), I just want to clarify that my original intent was to take the course of action that AATG proposes here. I do plan to check in with all GMs to see who wants to continue and who's not interested in playing next year.

Thanks for the fortcoming administration efforts Lucky17!  Hopefully, a few of the non-participants will hand over the reins to new people to make next season even more  enjoyable for everybody else... Best-J

[Edgar]

Everybody makes valid points and quite frankly I'm content to side with whatever consensus we reach collectively.   However, I do think we should try to reach out to any "absentee" owners that may have become permanently disengaged/discouraged and check in with them regarding their individual thought processes at this point.  If they want to hang it up, then perhaps we can try to invite a few more participants who are more apt to be involved and excited to take their place.   

Having reread my comments earlier (which I fired off pretty quickly before ending my day at the office), I just want to clarify that my original intent was to take the course of action that AATG proposes here. I do plan to check in with all GMs to see who wants to continue and who's not interested in playing next year.

Thanks for the fortcoming administration efforts Lucky17!  Hopefully, a few of the non-participants will hand over the reins to new people to make next season even more  enjoyable for everybody else... Best-J

My team is done for the year, Marion tanking, Jackson underperforming, Wilcox out. Cassel as a bench player again.....sigh
Afgter mid season my beautifull team felt into pieces , not even Rip for JO save me in the short run
sigh
ohh well
I ll be back

[blake]

I won't speak for all of the tankers of our league, but I have been tanking since draft day.  Though I have been tanking and having players get splinters, I played within the rules that were set forth for the league.  I don't plan on leaving the league.  I watch the league, but have absolutely no interest in competing this year.  I knew that I didn't have a chance when I traded my picks for Edgar and yall hates first rounders of next year.  So there was no point in my fighting for a middle of the pack place.  It made sense to sit my boys and get a top 3 pick.  Any general replies to this can go in this thread, but if there are any personal replies please send a PM to keep the boards here at CB friendly.

[Roy Hobbs]

As with all things, I think it's difficult to change the rules in the middle of the season. 

In terms of myself, I played my available players for pretty much the whole year, or at least for the most part; I just have a ton of injured guys on my roster, which was part of the strategy.  It was always about next year, when my predecessor traded half his draft for Elton Brand.

I don't blame blake or anybody else with a similar strategy.  The "tankers" have taken advantage of the rules in place, much like real NBA teams do.  Next year, I think it might make sense to have a lottery open to, say, the entire bottom half of the league, to prevent tanking.  This year, I'm in favor of a bottom-3 lottery (of course ).  However, to punish tankers at this point seems a bit late in the game.

In terms of next year, are we keeping the same scoring system?  We probably have to, based on the way rosters were created, right?  I suppose it's hard to go from a points league to a head-to-head league, although I certainly prefer the latter.

[ChampKind]

My team is done for the year, Marion tanking, Jackson underperforming, Wilcox out. Cassel as a bench player again.....sigh
Afgter mid season my beautifull team felt into pieces , not even Rip for JO save me in the short run
sigh
ohh well
I ll be back
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Lets not forget that you used up all your guard eligible games back in February...boosh.

[jgod213]

I'm all for a lottery...

The fact that there is no playoff system means that there's no reason, for any team not within the top 4 or 5 in the standings, to play their players at all.  Personally, I didn't take that route because it didn't really occur to me to join a fantasy basketball league and proceed to bench my team for a season, but that's my problem.

If we don't widen the lottery from the bottom 3 teams, what was the point of even trying to compete if you didn't have a top 2 team? I can tell you right now i likely won't have one of the top few teams next year, so what's the insentive for me not to just bench my entire lineup next year?  At least, if we have an inclusive lottery, the tanking might not be as blatant and include virtually 90% of the league.

If you're not going to have playoffs, you at least have to have a draft lottery.  If you don't, it becomes an all or nothing league, which is pretty lame seeing as the frontrunner/winner usually emerges early in the season and last place can be won on the first day by benching everyone.

[yall hate]

i would be fine with a lottery...if we can find a way to have everyone be happy with it. 

Although I will suggest that it is open to a large portion of the league, maybe even everyone.  i would say at a minimum the bottom 10-15 people should be included.

[Roy Hobbs]

i would be fine with a lottery...if we can find a way to have everyone be happy with it. 

Although I will suggest that it is open to a large portion of the league, maybe even everyone.  i would say at a minimum the bottom 10-15 people should be included.

I think that's one of the decisions that should have been made at the beginning of the year.  As blake alluded to, a lot of people put their rosters together with the specific idea that they'd get a high draft pick.

If anything (although this is more for next season), got to the NHL system, where if a team wins the lottery, they can move up no more than three spots from their previous draft position.  It's something to discuss, anyway, but I think in terms of this year, status quo probably makes the most sense.

[yall hate]

i would be fine with a lottery...if we can find a way to have everyone be happy with it. 

Although I will suggest that it is open to a large portion of the league, maybe even everyone.  i would say at a minimum the bottom 10-15 people should be included.

I think that's one of the decisions that should have been made at the beginning of the year.  As blake alluded to, a lot of people put their rosters together with the specific idea that they'd get a high draft pick.

If anything (although this is more for next season), got to the NHL system, where if a team wins the lottery, they can move up no more than three spots from their previous draft position.  It's something to discuss, anyway, but I think in terms of this year, status quo probably makes the most sense.

oh yea of course, i dont agree with any changes at this point for this year (i think i said that in my first post).

As for next year, I actually like your idea of the nhl system.  make the lottery weighted based on end result, but open to the whole league.  then put in the nhl system.  I am just not sure how we would conduct the lottery

[Edgar]

My team is done for the year, Marion tanking, Jackson underperforming, Wilcox out. Cassel as a bench player again.....sigh
Afgter mid season my beautifull team felt into pieces , not even Rip for JO save me in the short run
sigh
ohh well
I ll be back

Lets not forget that you used up all your guard eligible games back in February...boosh.
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little detail 
Not really but close to
speciallybecause the fall down of JO
i kind of dislike this mode

Im the king of matchups 

[yall hate]

My team is done for the year, Marion tanking, Jackson underperforming, Wilcox out. Cassel as a bench player again.....sigh
Afgter mid season my beautifull team felt into pieces , not even Rip for JO save me in the short run
sigh
ohh well
I ll be back

Lets not forget that you used up all your guard eligible games back in February...boosh.

little detail 
Not really but close to
speciallybecause the fall down of JO
i kind of dislike this mode

Im the king of matchups 
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I like the maximum games aspect because then there is some strategy in knowing who to play, rather then just trying to cram everyone in and hoping to accumulate the most points.  i like trying to look at matchups and past games to try and determine which sg should play and which should ride the pine.