Other Shoe to Drop?

[Who]

I'm just gonna say it. Bradley Beal on the minimum would not be a bad idea right now. Another microwave-type scorer who can come off the bench and may be motivated to try and play a solid role in order to get another contract. Yes, he's 33 and coming off a hip injury, but for the vet. minimum you can't do much worse and he is buddies with Tatum. Simons is obviously better at his current age and status, but I remember the criticisms going into the season with him on the roster too and he ended up working out for the most part, and his bench scoring at times was crucial.

If there isn't another big "shoe to drop" like a Murphy, then these kind of moves are the next thing. If you trade Hauser and offload his money, it allows you to duck the tax and give Hugo/Baylor more playing time, and you can fit Beal in easily as just another veteran/scorer.

Interesting idea.

I think BOS still need a starter. I don't expect Pritchard to start because we have no capable backup PG. So I see that SG spot as wide open. Likely a fight between Baylor, J Walsh and Hugo. Maybe Hauser - hopefully not.

Bradley Beal might be a good fit for us in our starting lineup. He is not a sure thing. He has been out a long time and he wasn't playing well when he last played. But still ... if he can recover even some of what he was before, he still has a good shot at beating out the young wings for that starting gig at SG.

G: D White
G: B Beal
F: P George
F: J Tatum
C: Queta

[SparzWizard]

I'm just gonna say it. Bradley Beal on the minimum would not be a bad idea right now. Another microwave-type scorer who can come off the bench and may be motivated to try and play a solid role in order to get another contract. Yes, he's 33 and coming off a hip injury, but for the vet. minimum you can't do much worse and he is buddies with Tatum. Simons is obviously better at his current age and status, but I remember the criticisms going into the season with him on the roster too and he ended up working out for the most part, and his bench scoring at times was crucial.

If there isn't another big "shoe to drop" like a Murphy, then these kind of moves are the next thing. If you trade Hauser and offload his money, it allows you to duck the tax and give Hugo/Baylor more playing time, and you can fit Beal in easily as just another veteran/scorer.

Interesting idea.

I think BOS still need a starter. I don't expect Pritchard to start because we have no capable backup PG. So I see that SG spot as wide open. Likely a fight between Baylor, J Walsh and Hugo. Maybe Hauser - hopefully not.

Bradley Beal might be a good fit for us in our starting lineup. He is not a sure thing. He has been out a long time and he wasn't playing well when he last played. But still ... if he can recover even some of what he was before, he still has a good shot at beating out the young wings for that starting gig at SG.

G: D White
G: B Beal
F: P George
F: J Tatum
C: Queta

This team would totally win a championship in 2016 or 2017

[tenn_smoothie]

nothinmg will happen.

he is now wasting JT

sacrilege from this clown

oh well move on and do more important things in life. not sure how old u are but most have us have hung on forvever and we do not have forever to wait again.

GTH brad and joe

Should we also include the new ownership in this list ?

[tenn_smoothie]

I wish but I sadly think we will be waiting 1-2 years for that other shoe to drop.

If that?s the case, they should just trade Tatum and go full rebuild. Why would JT want to stick around for that? He wants to be competing for championships. They would be wasting his prime.

Because 1-2 years is nothing. If that prediction became reality, that this team is championship ready in 27-28 or 28-29, that should be music to all our ears.

ESPN NBA talking heads are saying definitively that there was not currently a better deal offered for Brown to be had.
Not sure if that is absolute fact and it doesn't explain why you don't wait longer for a better return.

So if we are pointing towards 2027-28, then ok, you better be careful with Tatum's minutes.
And we know Mazzulla is oblivious to good judgement like not playing Tatum into the ground and like instead using some of his minutes to keep developing the young guys.

[slightly biased bias fan]

I have always tried to be positive on here, but there will never be another shoe to drop to get us back in contention.

After the Brown trade, the team got 7 years older, less reliable and weaker overall. Even before the Brown trade the Celtics were on the outside looking in regarding true title contention. Now the team is lumped with two years of Paul George and his untradeable contract, 32 year old Derrick White and a bunch of kids who are 3 years away from being ready. All while Tatum and his prime years are being wasted.

[Birdman]

Tatum & Beal are friends so wouldn?t be surprised if he signs here on a minimum contract but he?s not the player he use to be of course. Thou be a nice little option off the bench.

[Neurotic Guy]

I have always tried to be positive on here, but there will never be another shoe to drop to get us back in contention.

After the Brown trade, the team got 7 years older, less reliable and weaker overall. Even before the Brown trade the Celtics were on the outside looking in regarding true title contention. Now the team is lumped with two years of Paul George and his untradeable contract, 32 year old Derrick White and a bunch of kids who are 3 years away from being ready. All while Tatum and his prime years are being wasted.

If *never* means not in 26-27 you?re probably right about that. But I don?t see the prospects quite so grim past this year.  The trade looks to be terrible, shockingly poor return for a top 15 player. But all isn?t lost.

There?s been some very quick loss of faith in Brad. Not saying he doesn?t deserve the scrutiny but I do want to hear him try to explain his reasoning and I don?t believe he suddenly lost his capacity to build a team.  Looking forward to his press conference tomorrow even though I?m likely to be unsatisfied by it.  And I don?t know when his next move(s) will be but I haven?t given up on him yet.

[jambr380]

I have always tried to be positive on here, but there will never be another shoe to drop to get us back in contention.

After the Brown trade, the team got 7 years older, less reliable and weaker overall. Even before the Brown trade the Celtics were on the outside looking in regarding true title contention. Now the team is lumped with two years of Paul George and his untradeable contract, 32 year old Derrick White and a bunch of kids who are 3 years away from being ready. All while Tatum and his prime years are being wasted.

I understand where you're at and I am still extremely disappointed with the return on the trade, but we've had tough losses in recent years and still came back. Kyrie left us for nothing in FA, Horford left us for nothing FA, Hayward got injured 5 minutes into his Celtics tenure, and Kemba made it to the all-star break of his first season before his breakdown became imminent.

All of those guys were max contract players who we were very much counting on to lead our team to greatness and they were all let downs (for various reasons).

Yes, we had rookie contract Tatum and Brown and we also had Ainge instead of Stevens, but I am not going to say that they definitely have no chance. If Tatum is back to his old self, there is always a chance.

[Vermont Green]

I am not holding my breath on any kind of big follow up move.  And as to Beal, if they were going to get him, I don't think they would have signed Conley.  Conley is a better fit for the need anyway.  BOS needs the ballhandler/floor general type, Beal isn't that.  Conley will probably hardly play, Beal would play even less.

I am sure that BOS will keep looking and listening, but I don't see any kind of big move as likely.  Stevens has been a very good GM for many seasons.  I accept that he is probably smarter than me and with a lot more information at hand.  I am with Neurotic Guy, this is not the end of the world.  I don't think the trade made the team better, at least at this point, but the team is probably in a better place now than 1 year ago.

[Roy H.]

I have always tried to be positive on here, but there will never be another shoe to drop to get us back in contention.

After the Brown trade, the team got 7 years older, less reliable and weaker overall. Even before the Brown trade the Celtics were on the outside looking in regarding true title contention. Now the team is lumped with two years of Paul George and his untradeable contract, 32 year old Derrick White and a bunch of kids who are 3 years away from being ready. All while Tatum and his prime years are being wasted.

I understand where you're at and I am still extremely disappointed with the return on the trade, but we've had tough losses in recent years and still came back. Kyrie left us for nothing in FA, Horford left us for nothing FA, Hayward got injured 5 minutes into his Celtics tenure, and Kemba made it to the all-star break of his first season before his breakdown became imminent.

All of those guys were max contract players who we were very much counting on to lead our team to greatness and they were all let downs (for various reasons).

Yes, we had rookie contract Tatum and Brown and we also had Ainge instead of Stevens, but I am not going to say that they definitely have no chance. If Tatum is back to his old self, there is always a chance.

I think the difference is that we had Wyc.  Now we've got private equity.  Many of us were fans during the Gaston era and are worried about a return.

[Phantom255x]

Kalshi and other betting sites have Trey Murphy to Boston odds increasing. We'll see.

I'm not expecting anything unfortunately 

[ozgod]

Kalshi and other betting sites have Trey Murphy to Boston odds increasing. We'll see.

I'm not expecting anything unfortunately

Based on their posture and what they've said and done, I think one of the main considerations we have to apply to any deal would be that it keeps us under the luxury tax. Otherwise all the things they've done to date would make zero sense. Like we do have the $27m Simons TPE we can absorb a player into (conveniently Murphy fits into that), but unless we ship out a similar amount of salary we would end up going over the cap AND the first apron. And using a TPE hardcaps us at the first apron so we can realistically only use $10m of it before we trigger the hard cap.

And right now, with PG13 waiving his trade bonus, we're below the tax by maybe $1-2m. So any deal they make has to ultimately not result in us taking on more salary. So for us to get Murphy we could:

• trade White ($30m) for Murphy ($27m). That would work. They can debate who has to give up a pick 
• trade Hauser ($10m) and PP ($7m) for Murphy $27m. That works for us, we can take back more salary since we're a non-taxpaying team, but doing so also triggers a hard cap at the first apron and that deal would take us right there ($209m). AND it would mean we are over the luxury tax.
• to do it and still stay under the tax, we could add another $10m to our deal of Hauser and PP, maybe Harper, Banton, Garza and Walsh. So now we traded 5 players for Murphy and we have no wiggle room under the tax to add 4 players to get to roster compliance
• we could trade PG13 ($54m) for Murphy ($27m) and have THEM cough up additional salary, like Jones ($14m) and Hawkins ($7m). OR we could take on Poole or Murray and give them $5m worth of salary back, along with those 2 picks we got. That would also work.

I know it's unfun when you have to think about all these constraints (I'm sure if we had a "Take away TPs" button I would constantly get that clicked for my unfun takes). 

[radiohead]

PP is an interesting case when discussing Boston?s pursuit of JT?s new sidekick. His potential extension kicks in just as PG?s current deal expires. How much does Brad offer him to stay? If JB stayed then PP would most certainly be gone? Brad did say they can use the freed up cap space of PG?s expiring deal to keep some of their current players. PP most certainly comes to mind.

[slightly biased bias fan]

PP is an interesting case when discussing Boston?s pursuit of JT?s new sidekick. His potential extension kicks in just as PG?s current deal expires. How much does Brad offer him to stay? If JB stayed then PP would most certainly be gone? Brad did say they can use the freed up cap space of PG?s expiring deal to keep some of their current players. PP most certainly comes to mind.

I love Prichard, but he is not that guy. Prichard is a quintessential 6th man. Just like Jamal Crawford, Lou Williams & Naz Reid, in the playoffs their weaknesses become more prominent.

I hope the Celtics never trade Prichard, but in my opinion, he has a ceiling to his potential salary. Anything over that amount and he should be packaged in a trade.

[Ilikesports17]

PP is an interesting case when discussing Boston?s pursuit of JT?s new sidekick. His potential extension kicks in just as PG?s current deal expires. How much does Brad offer him to stay? If JB stayed then PP would most certainly be gone? Brad did say they can use the freed up cap space of PG?s expiring deal to keep some of their current players. PP most certainly comes to mind.

I love Prichard, but he is not that guy. Prichard is a quintessential 6th man. Just like Jamal Crawford, Lou Williams & Naz Reid, in the playoffs their weaknesses become more prominent.

I hope the Celtics never trade Prichard, but in my opinion, he has a ceiling to his potential salary. Anything over that amount and he should be packaged in a trade.

I agree and hope we can get him at a reasonable dollar amount. His profile of player has fallen out of favor in the league so unless he makes the leap to be a true offense-carrying lead guard I think we should be able to get him re-signed.

The microwave offense undersized guard that isnt an elite playmaker and doesnt defend at an elite level doesnt really get paid anymore. We saw that both this and last offseason.

He'll put up his 17 points a game on pretty good efficiency, and I suspect that when the time comes he'll demand about the MLE. Now maybe he  averages 25/8 then we have a different discussion on our hands, but Id be delighted to have that problem.