How do you think we got here with Jaylen Brown?

[jambr380]

Because Brad didn't make the decision to pull the trigger last summer when it was obvious he should have.  The team should have done a mini-reset last summer when Tatum was going to miss most (or all of the year).  The team traded Jrue, salary dumped Porzingis, and simply didn't go far enough and move both White and Brown.

Yeah, in retrospect, this is probably correct. If Brad had succeeded in trading Brown for Giannis, then you could argue that the season was all worth it in the end.

But now we are talking about trading Brown for younger players and picks. That easily could have been done last year and our pick would have been much better.

And, to make things worse, based on reported value, teams aren't actually buying the fact that Brown elevated to a new level and led his team to the 2nd best record in the East. His value just seems the same as it's always been.

[radiohead]

Because Brad didn't make the decision to pull the trigger last summer when it was obvious he should have.  The team should have done a mini-reset last summer when Tatum was going to miss most (or all of the year).  The team traded Jrue, salary dumped Porzingis, and simply didn't go far enough and move both White and Brown.

Yeah, in retrospect, this is probably correct. If Brad had succeeded in trading Brown for Giannis, then you could argue that the season was all worth it in the end.

But now we are talking about trading Brown for younger players and picks. That easily could have been done last year and our pick would have been much better.

And, to make things worse, based on reported value, teams aren't actually buying the fact that Brown elevated to a new level and led his team to the 2nd best record in the East. His value just seems the same as it's always been.

Do you think teams are scared off because of his social media statements?

[Moranis]

Because Brad didn't make the decision to pull the trigger last summer when it was obvious he should have.  The team should have done a mini-reset last summer when Tatum was going to miss most (or all of the year).  The team traded Jrue, salary dumped Porzingis, and simply didn't go far enough and move both White and Brown.

Yeah, in retrospect, this is probably correct. If Brad had succeeded in trading Brown for Giannis, then you could argue that the season was all worth it in the end.

But now we are talking about trading Brown for younger players and picks. That easily could have been done last year and our pick would have been much better.

And, to make things worse, based on reported value, teams aren't actually buying the fact that Brown elevated to a new level and led his team to the 2nd best record in the East. His value just seems the same as it's always been.

Do you think teams are scared off because of his social media statements?

Scared, no? But they don't help especially when the advanced metrics all support that Boston is better when Brown isn't in the game.  It was obviously ridiculous that someone would put him as the 7th best player, but the idea that Brown isn't as good as his straight stats suggest is pretty accurate and that is always going to make him harder to trade. 

[RodyTur10]

The most remarkable about this situation I find the lack of supposed interest. There doesn't seem to be much of a market for Jaylen Brown. Yes, it's a big contract and he's almost 30, but come on.

Maybe front offices don't value Brown much as having big actual impact or ability to lead a team? Do the advanced stats or hidden analysis influence how Brown is being perceived? Is Brown viewed as a toxic character or is his playing style deemed hard to incorporate in an existing team culture?

Many Celtics' fans would say that Brown is at least a top 20 player and worthy All NBA guy.

But I'd imagine the following twenty players would create more buzz when known to be available or shopped for a trade:

Antetokounmpo, Jokic, SGA, Wembanyama, Doncic, Edwards, Brunson, Tatum, Cunningham, Towns, Maxey, Barnes, Advija, Mitchell, A.Thompson, Haliburton, J.Johnson, Banchero, Holmgren or even Adebayo.

It's all very weird. Normally you would have a lot more teams and players being discussed. I'm nervous about the outcome of all of this, I always thought it would be hard to trade Brown for another All Star level player, but the things we hear from the media are underwhelming.

[Who]

The most remarkable about this situation I find the lack of supposed interest. There doesn't seem to be much of a market for Jaylen Brown. Yes, it's a big contract and he's almost 30, but come on.

Maybe front offices don't value Brown much as having big actual impact or ability to lead a team? Do the advanced stats or hidden analysis influence how Brown is being perceived? Is Brown viewed as a toxic character or is his playing style deemed hard to incorporate in an existing team culture?

Many Celtics' fans would say that Brown is at least a top 20 player and worthy All NBA guy.

But I'd imagine the following twenty players would create more buzz when known to be available or shopped for a trade:

Antetokounmpo, Jokic, SGA, Wembanyama, Doncic, Edwards, Brunson, Tatum, Cunningham, Towns, Maxey, Barnes, Advija, Mitchell, A.Thompson, Haliburton, J.Johnson, Banchero, Holmgren or even Adebayo.

It's all very weird. Normally you would have a lot more teams and players being discussed. I'm nervous about the outcome of all of this, I always thought it would be hard to trade Brown for another All Star level player, but the things we hear from the media are underwhelming.

Devin Booker would be a great comp for Jaylen Brown. What types of offers do you think Phoenix would get for him?

Actually, I love the Donovan Mitchell one as well. What do you think Cleveland would get offered for him?

All 3 guys around 30.

Is it any more than Jaylen Brown for either one of them?

[Who]

Antetokounmpo, Jokic, SGA, Wembanyama, Doncic, Edwards, Brunson, Tatum, Cunningham, Towns, Maxey, Barnes, Advija, Mitchell, A.Thompson, Haliburton, J.Johnson, Banchero, Holmgren or even Adebayo.

MVP guys or near MVP guys = that first line and a half = just flat out much more valuable on-court than Jaylen = Antetokounmpo, Jokic, SGA, Wembanyama, Doncic, Edwards, Brunson, Tatum, Cunningham.

Young guys = cheaper contract + you are getting 10 plus years out of them versus 5 plus years from Jaylen. So not comparable = Amen Thompson, J.Johnson, Banchero, Holmgren

That leaves Donovan Mitchell, Haliburton & Bam. Haliburton is 26 years old. Younger than Jaylen. Not quite with the young guys. Not as old as D Mitchell, Jaylen, D Booker either. Bam about to turn 29 next month.

So I'd put Jaylen alongside D Mitchell, D Booker, Bam. Does any of those 3 guys get any better offers for them than we are getting for Jaylen? I don't think they do.

[Csfan1984]

The new owners.

[celticinorlando]

A lot of teams see Brown the way we do...really good player. But not worth a 70 million a year deal.

I am sure Brad knows that having 2 guys eat up your cap means you are not winning.

New cap rules have really really hurt the Celtics.

[jambr380]

The thing is, you can play this out until next year and look at trading him then, but it's not going to get any better. He'll be another year older, one less year on his contract, his production is likely to decline a bit with Tatum back, and he could even get injured.

So if Brad's intent is to eventually trade Jaylen, he kind-of has to do it now. Getting good picks with filler contracts likely wouldn't be the final goal, but what we get with those pieces will really determine where we are as a serious franchise moving forward.

[timpiker]

I think he quietly asked for a trade.  I wouldn't give him an extension.  I wouldn't have given him the 1st one.  I don't really understand why but he is the only great C that I do not like. Never have.

[celticinorlando]

If the goal is to get picks and some mid players that tells me that this is a rebuild. Might as well dump White also.

But it feels like Brad has made somewhat of a mess of this whole Giannis trade to now this. If it was JB for Giannis and that is it, not interested in any other deals for JB...then keep him.

Now you are going to get mid round picks at best and average players that do not help this team win now. What a waste of JT's prime.

[Celtics4ever]

I think Brown's ego and part in shaping the new collecting bargaining played a large part in getting here.  He liked being the man, enjoyed it as his best year and wants more, yet the plays the victim when there are rumors or talk of trade.  Grow it, it is a business hundreds of thousands of us appreciate you as a player.

I am beginning to think Bill Chisholm is a cheap owner, who does not want to pay the tax or two max players have a role.

The guy I don't blame is Brad.   He has a boss telling him what to do.   Almost any GM worth his salt would try to trade Brown for Giannis.   I also would not have gave up the farm.  He needs to proactive in free agency.   I am sure he was told to stay under the tax.