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Re: Question about Blazers trade
« Reply #15 on: Yesterday at 07:31:52 PM »

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I'd imagine a Portland trade would be something like this;

Sharpe
Grant
2028 Swap (Celtics get best of BOS/POR/MIL)
2028 First (ORL)
2029 First (Best of BOS/POR/MIL)
2030 Swap (Celtics get best of BOS/POR/MIL)

Given the reporting it seems like Avdija and Clingan are off the table. The main pieces player wise coming back would then probably be some combination of Sharpe/Grant/Camara/Scoot. In this scenario I prioritized draft picks over player return. Celtics get a net return of 2 draft picks one of which is a high value "Best of three" in 2029. Also get two high value "Best of BOS/POR/MIL" swaps in 2028 and 2030.

No offense, but that is an awful trade.  Both Sharpe and Grant were moved in and out of the starting lineup last year, Sharpe being virtually benched in the playoffs.  The on/off, net rating stats don?t like them.  The box score fancy stats like PER don?t like them.  They both have a longer injury list than Jaylen.  Grant is owed $34 million this year and over $36 million next year.  That contract is worth at least a first on its own to take on.  That deal offers less than $3 million in savings over keeping JB, for each of the next two seasons, for two players who likely do not start.  That is not nearly enough draft compensation for JB, not even close.

If that is what the picks are looking like, the Celtics either need to get Clingan included, replacing Sharpe, or, if Clingan is untouchable, it should include Camara, who is useful, and Scoot, who is an expiring prospect that could probably be flipped to another team for minor value as matching salary, instead of Grant.

If Grant and Sharpe were expiring, maybe, because then at least there is a pathway to cap space next summer.  But that deal sends us into the luxury tax next season when Queta gets a raise.

Re: Question about Blazers trade
« Reply #16 on: Yesterday at 07:37:46 PM »

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I'd imagine a Portland trade would be something like this;

Sharpe
Grant
2028 Swap (Celtics get best of BOS/POR/MIL)
2028 First (ORL)
2029 First (Best of BOS/POR/MIL)
2030 Swap (Celtics get best of BOS/POR/MIL)

Given the reporting it seems like Avdija and Clingan are off the table. The main pieces player wise coming back would then probably be some combination of Sharpe/Grant/Camara/Scoot. In this scenario I prioritized draft picks over player return. Celtics get a net return of 2 draft picks one of which is a high value "Best of three" in 2029. Also get two high value "Best of BOS/POR/MIL" swaps in 2028 and 2030.

No offense, but that is an awful trade.  Both Sharpe and Grant were moved in and out of the starting lineup last year, Sharpe being virtually benched in the playoffs.  The on/off, net rating stats don?t like them.  The box score fancy stats like PER don?t like them.  They both have a longer injury list than Jaylen.  Grant is owed $34 million this year and over $36 million next year.  That contract is worth at least a first on its own to take on.  That deal offers less than $3 million in savings over keeping JB, for each of the next two seasons, for two players who likely do not start.  That is not nearly enough draft compensation for JB, not even close.

If that is what the picks are looking like, the Celtics either need to get Clingan included, replacing Sharpe, or, if Clingan is untouchable, it should include Camara, who is useful, and Scoot, who is an expiring prospect that could probably be flipped to another team for minor value as matching salary, instead of Grant.

If Grant and Sharpe were expiring, maybe, because then at least there is a pathway to cap space next summer.  But that deal sends us into the luxury tax next season when Queta gets a raise.

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Grant has an awful contract, was hurt most the season and got taken out of the rotation for the playoffs.

If that deal is made it is solely for the picks which signal Boston is rebuilding.

If that is the deal Brad should be fired.

Re: Question about Blazers trade
« Reply #17 on: Yesterday at 08:04:54 PM »

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I'd imagine a Portland trade would be something like this;

Sharpe
Grant
2028 Swap (Celtics get best of BOS/POR/MIL)
2028 First (ORL)
2029 First (Best of BOS/POR/MIL)
2030 Swap (Celtics get best of BOS/POR/MIL)

Given the reporting it seems like Avdija and Clingan are off the table. The main pieces player wise coming back would then probably be some combination of Sharpe/Grant/Camara/Scoot. In this scenario I prioritized draft picks over player return. Celtics get a net return of 2 draft picks one of which is a high value "Best of three" in 2029. Also get two high value "Best of BOS/POR/MIL" swaps in 2028 and 2030.

No offense, but that is an awful trade.  Both Sharpe and Grant were moved in and out of the starting lineup last year, Sharpe being virtually benched in the playoffs.  The on/off, net rating stats don?t like them.  The box score fancy stats like PER don?t like them.  They both have a longer injury list than Jaylen.  Grant is owed $34 million this year and over $36 million next year.  That contract is worth at least a first on its own to take on.  That deal offers less than $3 million in savings over keeping JB, for each of the next two seasons, for two players who likely do not start.  That is not nearly enough draft compensation for JB, not even close.

If that is what the picks are looking like, the Celtics either need to get Clingan included, replacing Sharpe, or, if Clingan is untouchable, it should include Camara, who is useful, and Scoot, who is an expiring prospect that could probably be flipped to another team for minor value as matching salary, instead of Grant.

If Grant and Sharpe were expiring, maybe, because then at least there is a pathway to cap space next summer.  But that deal sends us into the luxury tax next season when Queta gets a raise.

Sharpe does nothing but dunk
Grant has an awful contract, was hurt most the season and got taken out of the rotation for the playoffs.

If that deal is made it is solely for the picks which signal Boston is rebuilding.

If that is the deal Brad should be fired.
Grant played the 5th most minutes for the Blazers in the playoffs.  Sgarpe takes over 6 3's a game and less than 25% of his shots inside 3 feet. It is fine to not like the trade, but making stuff up doesn't support your position. 
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Re: Question about Blazers trade
« Reply #18 on: Yesterday at 08:20:22 PM »

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I'd imagine a Portland trade would be something like this;

Sharpe
Grant
2028 Swap (Celtics get best of BOS/POR/MIL)
2028 First (ORL)
2029 First (Best of BOS/POR/MIL)
2030 Swap (Celtics get best of BOS/POR/MIL)

Given the reporting it seems like Avdija and Clingan are off the table. The main pieces player wise coming back would then probably be some combination of Sharpe/Grant/Camara/Scoot. In this scenario I prioritized draft picks over player return. Celtics get a net return of 2 draft picks one of which is a high value "Best of three" in 2029. Also get two high value "Best of BOS/POR/MIL" swaps in 2028 and 2030.

No offense, but that is an awful trade.  Both Sharpe and Grant were moved in and out of the starting lineup last year, Sharpe being virtually benched in the playoffs.  The on/off, net rating stats don?t like them.  The box score fancy stats like PER don?t like them.  They both have a longer injury list than Jaylen.  Grant is owed $34 million this year and over $36 million next year.  That contract is worth at least a first on its own to take on.  That deal offers less than $3 million in savings over keeping JB, for each of the next two seasons, for two players who likely do not start.  That is not nearly enough draft compensation for JB, not even close.

If that is what the picks are looking like, the Celtics either need to get Clingan included, replacing Sharpe, or, if Clingan is untouchable, it should include Camara, who is useful, and Scoot, who is an expiring prospect that could probably be flipped to another team for minor value as matching salary, instead of Grant.

If Grant and Sharpe were expiring, maybe, because then at least there is a pathway to cap space next summer.  But that deal sends us into the luxury tax next season when Queta gets a raise.

Sharpe does nothing but dunk
Grant has an awful contract, was hurt most the season and got taken out of the rotation for the playoffs.

If that deal is made it is solely for the picks which signal Boston is rebuilding.

If that is the deal Brad should be fired.
Grant played the 5th most minutes for the Blazers in the playoffs.  Sgarpe takes over 6 3's a game and less than 25% of his shots inside 3 feet. It is fine to not like the trade, but making stuff up doesn't support your position.

In 57 regular season games, because he was hurt once again, Grant averaged 30 minutes a game. Started 38 of them.

In the playoffs, he did not start ANY games and averaged 22 minutes. That is a drop of 16 minutes in the playoffs. From starting to not playing near those minutes. 3 of the 5 games he played less than 20 minutes. If this guy is one of their starters when he is healthy to struggling for minutes...on portland...how will he help Boston?

He was a total non factor in the playoffs. Averaged a whopping 10 points a game. Grant hasn't averaged more that 12 points a series in his entire career.

His contract is terrible. 34 million this year and then a player option (which he would take) next year for 36 million. That is 2 full seasons for an old, often injured guy that probably does not crack the rotation.

Since 2020 he has not played more than 60 games in a season.

As for Sharpe, he is wildly inconsistent, lost his starting job. He also missed a ton of games last season because he was hurt. Out of the last three seasons he has missed 50 games and 32 games.

He shot 34 percent from 3 last season. Took 17 shots a game. In the playoffs he was horrendous. Almost unplayable at 13 minutes a game and 7 points. 23 percent from 3. His best attribute is dunking.

That is just putrid. For a team that needs to be better in the playoffs you are bringing in 2 guys that are awful after the regular season.

If the deal for players is just Grant and Sharpe how does that help a team in win now mode?
I an live with Sharpe. He is young. Maybe he blossoms in a new environment.

But Grant is a total waste. They need more than those two back in the deal.
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Re: Question about Blazers trade
« Reply #19 on: Today at 07:14:53 AM »

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Don?t think Portland would trade Clingan. Scoot is not a starter & Sharpe is too inconsistent & defensively is bad. Camara look like a up and coming player but jury still out. Overall I just really don?t like what Portland has
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Re: Question about Blazers trade
« Reply #20 on: Today at 11:37:08 AM »

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I'd imagine a Portland trade would be something like this;

Sharpe
Grant
2028 Swap (Celtics get best of BOS/POR/MIL)
2028 First (ORL)
2029 First (Best of BOS/POR/MIL)
2030 Swap (Celtics get best of BOS/POR/MIL)

Given the reporting it seems like Avdija and Clingan are off the table. The main pieces player wise coming back would then probably be some combination of Sharpe/Grant/Camara/Scoot. In this scenario I prioritized draft picks over player return. Celtics get a net return of 2 draft picks one of which is a high value "Best of three" in 2029. Also get two high value "Best of BOS/POR/MIL" swaps in 2028 and 2030.

No offense, but that is an awful trade.  Both Sharpe and Grant were moved in and out of the starting lineup last year, Sharpe being virtually benched in the playoffs.  The on/off, net rating stats don?t like them.  The box score fancy stats like PER don?t like them.  They both have a longer injury list than Jaylen.  Grant is owed $34 million this year and over $36 million next year.  That contract is worth at least a first on its own to take on.  That deal offers less than $3 million in savings over keeping JB, for each of the next two seasons, for two players who likely do not start.  That is not nearly enough draft compensation for JB, not even close.

If that is what the picks are looking like, the Celtics either need to get Clingan included, replacing Sharpe, or, if Clingan is untouchable, it should include Camara, who is useful, and Scoot, who is an expiring prospect that could probably be flipped to another team for minor value as matching salary, instead of Grant.

If Grant and Sharpe were expiring, maybe, because then at least there is a pathway to cap space next summer.  But that deal sends us into the luxury tax next season when Queta gets a raise.

Sharpe does nothing but dunk
Grant has an awful contract, was hurt most the season and got taken out of the rotation for the playoffs.

If that deal is made it is solely for the picks which signal Boston is rebuilding.

If that is the deal Brad should be fired.

If it was up to me I wouldn't trade Brown at all. It doesn't feel as of right now that the Celtics are going to get a "blow you away" type of offer for Brown in terms of players that help them stay relevant right now. If that's the case I think you could do worse than getting 3 years of Bucks picks + other stuff. But ya, I wouldn't do this trade either.

Re: Question about Blazers trade
« Reply #21 on: Today at 11:41:19 AM »

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I'd imagine a Portland trade would be something like this;

Sharpe
Grant
2028 Swap (Celtics get best of BOS/POR/MIL)
2028 First (ORL)
2029 First (Best of BOS/POR/MIL)
2030 Swap (Celtics get best of BOS/POR/MIL)

Given the reporting it seems like Avdija and Clingan are off the table. The main pieces player wise coming back would then probably be some combination of Sharpe/Grant/Camara/Scoot. In this scenario I prioritized draft picks over player return. Celtics get a net return of 2 draft picks one of which is a high value "Best of three" in 2029. Also get two high value "Best of BOS/POR/MIL" swaps in 2028 and 2030.

No offense, but that is an awful trade.  Both Sharpe and Grant were moved in and out of the starting lineup last year, Sharpe being virtually benched in the playoffs.  The on/off, net rating stats don?t like them.  The box score fancy stats like PER don?t like them.  They both have a longer injury list than Jaylen.  Grant is owed $34 million this year and over $36 million next year.  That contract is worth at least a first on its own to take on.  That deal offers less than $3 million in savings over keeping JB, for each of the next two seasons, for two players who likely do not start.  That is not nearly enough draft compensation for JB, not even close.

If that is what the picks are looking like, the Celtics either need to get Clingan included, replacing Sharpe, or, if Clingan is untouchable, it should include Camara, who is useful, and Scoot, who is an expiring prospect that could probably be flipped to another team for minor value as matching salary, instead of Grant.

If Grant and Sharpe were expiring, maybe, because then at least there is a pathway to cap space next summer.  But that deal sends us into the luxury tax next season when Queta gets a raise.

Sharpe does nothing but dunk
Grant has an awful contract, was hurt most the season and got taken out of the rotation for the playoffs.

If that deal is made it is solely for the picks which signal Boston is rebuilding.

If that is the deal Brad should be fired.

If it was up to me I wouldn't trade Brown at all. It doesn't feel as of right now that the Celtics are going to get a "blow you away" type of offer for Brown in terms of players that help them stay relevant right now. If that's the case I think you could do worse than getting 3 years of Bucks picks + other stuff. But ya, I wouldn't do this trade either.

I just don't find anything good enough in a Portland deal that sends back Sharpe and Grant with picks that would be their own and Orlando's, not the Bucks. Grant is on an awful contract that most likely will be hard to move.

Nothing that has been rumored makes this team better. I think you keep Brown as the only real deal for him was for Giannis.

Maybe this is a 2 part deal where Brad brings in players and moves them and picks somewhere else. But if the Portland deal is Sharpe, Grant and 3 picks that are not the Bucks picks...no thanks.

Re: Question about Blazers trade
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I'd imagine a Portland trade would be something like this;

Sharpe
Grant
2028 Swap (Celtics get best of BOS/POR/MIL)
2028 First (ORL)
2029 First (Best of BOS/POR/MIL)
2030 Swap (Celtics get best of BOS/POR/MIL)

Given the reporting it seems like Avdija and Clingan are off the table. The main pieces player wise coming back would then probably be some combination of Sharpe/Grant/Camara/Scoot. In this scenario I prioritized draft picks over player return. Celtics get a net return of 2 draft picks one of which is a high value "Best of three" in 2029. Also get two high value "Best of BOS/POR/MIL" swaps in 2028 and 2030.

No offense, but that is an awful trade.  Both Sharpe and Grant were moved in and out of the starting lineup last year, Sharpe being virtually benched in the playoffs.  The on/off, net rating stats don?t like them.  The box score fancy stats like PER don?t like them.  They both have a longer injury list than Jaylen.  Grant is owed $34 million this year and over $36 million next year.  That contract is worth at least a first on its own to take on.  That deal offers less than $3 million in savings over keeping JB, for each of the next two seasons, for two players who likely do not start.  That is not nearly enough draft compensation for JB, not even close.

If that is what the picks are looking like, the Celtics either need to get Clingan included, replacing Sharpe, or, if Clingan is untouchable, it should include Camara, who is useful, and Scoot, who is an expiring prospect that could probably be flipped to another team for minor value as matching salary, instead of Grant.

If Grant and Sharpe were expiring, maybe, because then at least there is a pathway to cap space next summer.  But that deal sends us into the luxury tax next season when Queta gets a raise.

Sharpe does nothing but dunk
Grant has an awful contract, was hurt most the season and got taken out of the rotation for the playoffs.

If that deal is made it is solely for the picks which signal Boston is rebuilding.

If that is the deal Brad should be fired.

If it was up to me I wouldn't trade Brown at all. It doesn't feel as of right now that the Celtics are going to get a "blow you away" type of offer for Brown in terms of players that help them stay relevant right now. If that's the case I think you could do worse than getting 3 years of Bucks picks + other stuff. But ya, I wouldn't do this trade either.

Fair, but to me that offer is so bad it is an offer to which you tell them to call back when they are serious and hang up the phone.  If the Blazers and Celtics are actually seriously engaging, it has to be better than that.