Marc Stein: JB for Jalen Duren S+T being discussed

[rondohondo]

The Boston Celtics and Detroit Pistons are considering a Jaylen Brown trade that would involve Jalen Duren being the centerpiece of the deal on a sign-and-trade.

https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/286306/Celtics-Pistons-Considering-Jaylen-Brown-For-Jalen-Duren-Trade

[Roy H.]

I don't trust Stein, and don't think that he's a reliable source.  He hasn't been since he left ESPN.

[Goldstar88]

Chris Haynes: Detroit Pistons are conveying that Jalen Duren will not be moved and are solely focused on coming to terms on an agreement to keep their All-Star center, league sources tell me.
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[Celtics2021]

It would be a tricky deal.  The Pistons would only get to count half of Duren?s outgoing salary for matching purposes.  So even if he got a max 1st year salary of $41.25 million, they could only count $20.6 million as outgoing, requiring another $26 million.  Perhaps they could wrap it into the Stewart deal and use that $15 million, , but they are still an additional $11 million short.  That is what Ausar Thompson makes, but would they include him?  If not, is Ron Holland any good?  Is Duren overpaid at $41.25 million, meaning the Celtics would want to give him less and the Pistons would need to send even more salary?  And what if Duren doesn?t want to go to the Celtics?  It is difficult to get to $11+ million with their current salaries unless you want to take on bad or questionable salary like Duncan Robinson, Holland, or Marcus Sasser.

I guess Duren at max, or within a couple million of it, Holland, and Daniss Jenkins works.  I would not be a fan, even though I have graduated to the Trade Jaylen camp.  It is a lot of money for Duren, and I think would restrict the benefits of flexibility we might otherwise gain by trading Jaylen.  If it is Ausur Thompson instead of Holland, or Duren comes in at a lower price and we make up the cap difference with a small expiring, I guess I can be sold.

[Donoghus]

No thanks

[Birdman]

Who would play center for detroit

[Who]

Chris Haynes: Detroit Pistons are conveying that Jalen Duren will not be moved and are solely focused on coming to terms on an agreement to keep their All-Star center, league sources tell me.
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I imagine the discussions are mostly between the player's agent & BOS. Not BOS and DET.

Good position to take by DET. Use your leverage. Don't give in to the player. If the player truly wants that bigger contract, he can take the qualified offer and be an unrestricted FA in 12 months time. Get his deal then. Or DET can bully him into a lower deal now. Test of willpower for Duren.

[Who]

I wonder if DET would do a sign and trade of Derrick White for Jalen Duren.

That would be easier to work financially given that only half of Duren's new salary will count for matching purposes as pointed out by Celtics2021 above.

D White by himself is unlikely to be enough given the age difference but D White + picks. Maybe. BOS gets a long term fixture at center. DET gets much need ball-handling, playmaking and shooting alongside Cade Cunningham.

Or maybe D White + Queta. DET gets their new starting center to replace Duren while addressing those needs for ball-handling, playmaking, shooting on the perimeter.

D White + Queta for Duren in a sign and trade.

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Detroit

G: Cade Cunningham
G: D White
F: Ausar Thompson
F: Tobias Harris
C: N Queta

They would have Daniss Jenkins at backup PG, Isaiah Joe at SG, maybe Duncan Robinson at SF. Ron Holland. Paul Reed. Another bench guard in Marcus Sasser. Hey, maybe we could get Sasser back in the deal given that we are dealing Queta.

Boston

G: Pritchard
G: Baylor
F: Jaylen
F: Tatum
C: Duren

I had to edit this! I forgot Jaylen wasn't in the deal. I had no D White and no Jaylen. Man, that team was terrible.

So for bench options we have Hugo, J Walsh, Hauser. No backup big. No backup PG. 2 sizeable holes to fill. I'd say the backup PG is the bigger hole. The #1 priority.

That starting backcourt would be one of the weaker backcourts in the league. No depth behind it either. At least if you had a high level reserve it could punch up above it's weight. This would be the opposite. It would only get worse.

Hmm ... I'd rather keep D White & Queta.

[boscel33]

Seeing this one floated around:

A Potential 3-Team Trade Scenario

Celtics receive:
? Jalen Duren
? Trey Murphy III
? 1-2 future 1st-round pick swaps (From DET)

Pistons receive:
? Jaylen Brown

Pelicans receive:
? Sam Hauser
? Jordan Walsh
? Marcus Sasser
? 2 future 1st-round picks (From DET)

Celtics could save up on their tax while having the MLE/or TPE to upgrade another area and future picks/ pick swaps.

It's not horrible and as long as we get a couple picks too, I might pull the trigger here.

[perks-a-beast]

Marc Stein hasnt been right about anything since, like, 2009.

[Celtics2021]

Marc Stein hasnt been right about anything since, like, 2009.

I think he has a Dallas connection, so if there is a rumor that Dallas is attached to in some fashion, there might be more to read into it, but I do not see any sort of Dallas connection to this one.  The Celtics are not allowed to talk with Duren until June 30th, at most they could know what he told the Pistons, and presumably what the Pistons have found to be too much.

[jambr380]

Daniss Jenkins helped carry me the last few weeks to my fantasy league basketball championship. We?d obviously need more than just him and Duren, but I wouldn?t mind Jenkins at all.

I like the Trey Murphy/Duren combo proposed by Boscel. That would be really solid tbh

[byennie]

If Brown must go, honestly I'd be ecstatic with Duren and Murphy. You're essentially getting two top-50 young players (26 and 22) for a disgruntled top-20 guy entering his 30s.

I like Jaylen. I wish this wasn't happening. But, he didn't turn into an MVP level player this year that would command a King's ransom. I'm not buying that narrative, and I don't think a single GM considers him a top-10 player in the league.

That said, teams have unloaded huge hauls for older stars before, as evidenced by OKC's entire roster, so we can dream...

[Phantom255x]

Not really sure why the Pelicans are giving up Trey Murphy for maybe a role player and a few FRPs. Would need way more in a 3-team framework to entice them. Also if they didn't trade him on draft night I'm skeptical they would now

[Who]

Seeing this one floated around:

A Potential 3-Team Trade Scenario

Celtics receive:
? Jalen Duren
? Trey Murphy III
? 1-2 future 1st-round pick swaps (From DET)

Pistons receive:
? Jaylen Brown

Pelicans receive:
? Sam Hauser
? Jordan Walsh
? Marcus Sasser
? 2 future 1st-round picks (From DET)

Celtics could save up on their tax while having the MLE/or TPE to upgrade another area and future picks/ pick swaps.

It's not horrible and as long as we get a couple picks too, I might pull the trigger here.

Not really sure why the Pelicans are giving up Trey Murphy for maybe a role player and a few FRPs. Would need way more in a 3-team framework to entice them. Also if they didn't trade him on draft night I'm skeptical they would now

(1) Agreed -- Pelicans not getting enough. Trey Murphy is going to require 3-4 first round picks. He is a better version of Mikal Bridges. You are not getting him for 2 first rounders.

(2) I also do not understand why DET are giving up 2 first round picks and 2 swaps in this deal.

Jalen Duren has major market value. He is about to get $40-50mil a year. If DET do not pay him, somebody else will. He is 22 years old (23 before next season). He is 7 years younger than Jaylen Brown (30 before next season).

DET are not giving up a bunch of picks on top of Duren to get Jaylen Brown. Too young, too valuable. Maybe you get 1 pick out of them. I don't see you getting much more than that.