Final Pre-Draft Forum Poll: Trade For Giannis Or Build Around The Jays?

[Who]

Hugo was the 28th pick in a weak draft and averaged a whopping 3.9 ppg, 3.3 rpg, 0.5 apg, 0.6 spg, 0.3 bpg, 0.5 tpg, and 1.7 fpg.  That is the guy you are holding firm on.

Yeah, I don?t get it either. Hugo is young and has some upside, but he cannot shoot at all. I see a decent role player. Not someone who should stop the trade from going through.

He is 20 and shot 36% from 3.  It is not a strength, but cannot shoot at all is not supported by the numbers.  His 12.4 net rating and +6.4 on-off is not what you see from rookies who get 15 minutes per night.  Those stats are typically reserved for fluke numbers in garbage time over a couple hundred minutes or star players.  And the eye test with how active he is on the court backs up those advanced stats.

I think his 3pt shooting is a fluke. Had 1.6 attempts a game. Would be shocked if he was able to do that again next year. Hugo shot 50% from the FT line and he has no midrange game.

36% is a fluke on 3-point shooting with only 1.6 attempts per game, but 50% from the line is not a fluke on 0.4 attempts per game.  Sure.  He literally went 2-7 from 10-16 feet.  That is it, 7 attempts.  1-3 from 16 feet to the 3 point line.  10 total attempts. On the season.  You are totally speaking beyond the data.

You don't think those small sample sizes on 2pt jump-shots show a complete inability to make them. He turned them down all season long. He didn't think he could hit them.

[keevsnick]

Hugo was the 28th pick in a weak draft and averaged a whopping 3.9 ppg, 3.3 rpg, 0.5 apg, 0.6 spg, 0.3 bpg, 0.5 tpg, and 1.7 fpg.  That is the guy you are holding firm on.

Yeah, I don?t get it either. Hugo is young and has some upside, but he cannot shoot at all. I see a decent role player. Not someone who should stop the trade from going through.

He is 20 and shot 36% from 3.  It is not a strength, but cannot shoot at all is not supported by the numbers.  His 12.4 net rating and +6.4 on-off is not what you see from rookies who get 15 minutes per night.  Those stats are typically reserved for fluke numbers in garbage time over a couple hundred minutes or star players.  And the eye test with how active he is on the court backs up those advanced stats.

I think his 3pt shooting is a fluke. Had 1.6 attempts a game. Would be shocked if he was able to do that again next year. Hugo shot 50% from the FT line and he has no midrange game.

36% is a fluke on 3-point shooting with only 1.6 attempts per game, but 50% from the line is not a fluke on 0.4 attempts per game.  Sure.  He literally went 2-7 from 10-16 feet.  That is it, 7 attempts.  1-3 from 16 feet to the 3 point line.  10 total attempts. On the season.  You are totally speaking beyond the data.

You don't think those small sample sizes on 2pt jump-shots show a complete inability to make them. He turned them down all season long. He didn't think he could hit them.

I don't think it's possible to draw any conclusion, good or bad, from the shot profile of a 19 year old late first round pick on a 56 win team. I certainly would not project anything going forward from that.

[Celtics2021]

Hugo was the 28th pick in a weak draft and averaged a whopping 3.9 ppg, 3.3 rpg, 0.5 apg, 0.6 spg, 0.3 bpg, 0.5 tpg, and 1.7 fpg.  That is the guy you are holding firm on.

Yeah, I don?t get it either. Hugo is young and has some upside, but he cannot shoot at all. I see a decent role player. Not someone who should stop the trade from going through.

He is 20 and shot 36% from 3.  It is not a strength, but cannot shoot at all is not supported by the numbers.  His 12.4 net rating and +6.4 on-off is not what you see from rookies who get 15 minutes per night.  Those stats are typically reserved for fluke numbers in garbage time over a couple hundred minutes or star players.  And the eye test with how active he is on the court backs up those advanced stats.

I think his 3pt shooting is a fluke. Had 1.6 attempts a game. Would be shocked if he was able to do that again next year. Hugo shot 50% from the FT line and he has no midrange game.

36% is a fluke on 3-point shooting with only 1.6 attempts per game, but 50% from the line is not a fluke on 0.4 attempts per game.  Sure.  He literally went 2-7 from 10-16 feet.  That is it, 7 attempts.  1-3 from 16 feet to the 3 point line.  10 total attempts. On the season.  You are totally speaking beyond the data.

You don't think those small sample sizes on 2pt jump-shots show a complete inability to make them. He turned them down all season long. He didn't think he could hit them.

They are also just bad shots in general.  No one would question Sam Hauser?s shooting ability and he took them at barely double the rate.  Not taking bad shots is probably one reason Hugo has such good net rating numbers compared to other players.

Again, I am not saying he is a good shooter.  But he was perfectly passable for a teenager-turned-20, who was expected to be so raw on offense to be unplayable.  And he was very playable.  There is no reason to believe his shooting will not improve in the future.

[Who]

Some different Hugo shooting numbers.

Databallr has this statistic zTS%. This measures a player's rTS% and adjusts it based on their shot type. The types are self-creation, spacing, transition, finishing.

Hugo has a rTS% of -1.8% relative to league average which ranks in the 44th percentile. This drops to -3.5% zTS% which ranks in the 31st percentile.

His shot breakdown is 4% self-creation 45% spacing 23% transition 28% finishing. So the creation is almost nothing. Low volume and bad rTS%. The spacing number is actually good in percentage at 57.8% TS / +2.5% rTS (71st percentile) but very low in terms of volume. Hugo ranks in 13th percentile for volume. His transition scoring is low in volume (25th percentile) and surprisingly low in efficiency at 49.2% TS which is 21st percentile. His finishing is pretty good in volume (61st percentile) and efficiency at 61.5% TS (56th percentile) rTS -1.8%.

A different breakdown of his shot attempts / shot profile. Some interesting numbers there. I was surprised his spacing TS% was so good but was unsurprised by the minimal volume because Hugo was scared to shoot them most of the time he was on the floor. The transition one is a bit weird. The finishing is encouraging.

[ETNCeltics]

Hugo was the 28th pick in a weak draft and averaged a whopping 3.9 ppg, 3.3 rpg, 0.5 apg, 0.6 spg, 0.3 bpg, 0.5 tpg, and 1.7 fpg.  That is the guy you are holding firm on.

Yeah, I don?t get it either. Hugo is young and has some upside, but he cannot shoot at all. I see a decent role player. Not someone who should stop the trade from going through.

He is 20 and shot 36% from 3.  It is not a strength, but cannot shoot at all is not supported by the numbers.  His 12.4 net rating and +6.4 on-off is not what you see from rookies who get 15 minutes per night.  Those stats are typically reserved for fluke numbers in garbage time over a couple hundred minutes or star players.  And the eye test with how active he is on the court backs up those advanced stats.

I think his 3pt shooting is a fluke. Had only 1.6 attempts per game. Would be shocked if he was able to do that again next year. Hugo shot 50% from the FT line and he has no midrange game.

He shot 26 FTs. You think 3 pt %, which he took far more of, is a fluke, but the 26 FTs proves he can't shoot. No logic there at all.

Not saying he can shoot, but he shot 80% from the line in Madrid. If there's a # that should be argued is a fluke, it's more likely the 50% FTs.

[Phantom255x]

If this trade does happen, this is still a bonkers graphic to me

[Who]

kuz: Since when is a 6-9 wing who plays any role you ask, guards 1-5, shot almost 50% from the field and cares about defense a "throw‑in"? lol

Love it. I think Kuzma gets a raw deal. Does not get enough respect. Better player than he is given credit for.

[jpotter33]

A lot are presuming that either Kuzma or Turner would be part of the deal through our TPE. Which one would be better for us? I do like Kuzma as a backup swing for us, but Turner could also serve as the stretch 5 that we'd need if we keep Giannis in the 4 role. Though I'm not positive that this is what we'd do with him, as I think we'd be just as likely to go small with him at the 5.

[celticinorlando]

kuz: Since when is a 6-9 wing who plays any role you ask, guards 1-5, shot almost 50% from the field and cares about defense a "throw‑in"? lol

Love it. I think Kuzma gets a raw deal. Does not get enough respect. Better player than he is given credit for.

He would def. give Boston something off the bench they do not have. Maybe being in Boston rehabs him. I think he could be a help to the bench esp if Sam gets moved.