Final Pre-Draft Forum Poll: Trade For Giannis Or Build Around The Jays?

[Celtics2021]

Heat Central: The Bucks owners are "split" on which decision to make with a Giannis trade and Boston is NOT willing to add multiple 1st round picks like Miami, per @JakeLFischer

"We're being told there is some type of split faction in MIL right now among the major stakeholders for the Bucks' the Celtics to our understanding, are not willing to offer the same level of multiple years of draft capital that the Miami Heat are" (Via @BleacherReport)

Glad there is a little sanity.

[celticinorlando]

Heat Central: The Bucks owners are "split" on which decision to make with a Giannis trade and Boston is NOT willing to add multiple 1st round picks like Miami, per @JakeLFischer

"We're being told there is some type of split faction in MIL right now among the major stakeholders for the Bucks' the Celtics to our understanding, are not willing to offer the same level of multiple years of draft capital that the Miami Heat are" (Via @BleacherReport)

You want more picks...ok...but Hugo doesn't get moved.

[Moranis]

Hugo was the 28th pick in a weak draft and averaged a whopping 3.9 ppg, 3.3 rpg, 0.5 apg, 0.6 spg, 0.3 bpg, 0.5 tpg, and 1.7 fpg.  That is the guy you are holding firm on. 

[celticinorlando]

Bill Simmons
@BillSimmons
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I?m just gonna say?.

I would be absolutely shocked if Hugo was/is thrown into any Giannis trade offer. The entire organization is all-in on him - Stevens prob the most. They could not be higher on him. I genuinely don?t believe he?s involved. Guess we?ll see.

[Roy H.]

Heat Central: The Bucks owners are "split" on which decision to make with a Giannis trade and Boston is NOT willing to add multiple 1st round picks like Miami, per @JakeLFischer

"We're being told there is some type of split faction in MIL right now among the major stakeholders for the Bucks' the Celtics to our understanding, are not willing to offer the same level of multiple years of draft capital that the Miami Heat are" (Via @BleacherReport)

You want more picks...ok...but Hugo doesn't get moved.

2027, yes.  But 2031 forward no. 

[Goldstar88]

Hugo was the 28th pick in a weak draft and averaged a whopping 3.9 ppg, 3.3 rpg, 0.5 apg, 0.6 spg, 0.3 bpg, 0.5 tpg, and 1.7 fpg.  That is the guy you are holding firm on.

Yeah, I don?t get it either. Hugo is young and has some upside, but he cannot shoot at all. Maybe a decent role player, but Not someone who should stop the trade from going through.

[Celtics2021]

Hugo was the 28th pick in a weak draft and averaged a whopping 3.9 ppg, 3.3 rpg, 0.5 apg, 0.6 spg, 0.3 bpg, 0.5 tpg, and 1.7 fpg.  That is the guy you are holding firm on.

Yeah, I don?t get it either. Hugo is young and has some upside, but he cannot shoot at all. I see a decent role player. Not someone who should stop the trade from going through.

He is 20 and shot 36% from 3.  It is not a strength, but cannot shoot at all is not supported by the numbers.  His 12.4 net rating and +6.4 on-off is not what you see from rookies who get 15 minutes per night.  Those stats are typically reserved for fluke numbers in garbage time over a couple hundred minutes or star players.  And the eye test with how active he is on the court backs up those advanced stats.

[Roy H.]

Hugo was the 28th pick in a weak draft and averaged a whopping 3.9 ppg, 3.3 rpg, 0.5 apg, 0.6 spg, 0.3 bpg, 0.5 tpg, and 1.7 fpg.  That is the guy you are holding firm on.

Yeah.  I like his potential and instincts.  But, I will never forget Rodrigue Beaubois, a young Euro prospect that the Mavs absolutely refused to include in trade offers for stars, until such point as he was out of the league as a nobody.  Sometimes, low production high potential prospects don't develop.

[celticinorlando]

Just don't think this deal needs Hugo and a boatload of picks. One or the other.

[jambr380]

Bill Simmons
@BillSimmons
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7m
I?m just gonna say?.

I would be absolutely shocked if Hugo was/is thrown into any Giannis trade offer. The entire organization is all-in on him - Stevens prob the most. They could not be higher on him. I genuinely don?t believe he?s involved. Guess we?ll see.

I'd imagine that is the hold up if I were to guess. But also, Walsh would be a nice consolation prize tbh. He had a stretch last year where he looked like a future two-way star. The Bucks would be lucky to get him when Jaylen himself is already better than the Miami package. I don't know why we would do more than Jaylen, #27, and Walsh

[Who]

Hugo was the 28th pick in a weak draft and averaged a whopping 3.9 ppg, 3.3 rpg, 0.5 apg, 0.6 spg, 0.3 bpg, 0.5 tpg, and 1.7 fpg.  That is the guy you are holding firm on.

Yeah.  I like his potential and instincts.  But, I will never forget Rodrigue Beaubois, a young Euro prospect that the Mavs absolutely refused to include in trade offers for stars, until such point as he was out of the league as a nobody.  Sometimes, low production high potential prospects don't develop.

Yeah, I have no idea what type of value to put on Hugo.

There is such a large range of possible outcomes for his career.

* Above average shooter = All-Star talent
* Average shooter = average to above average starter
* Below average but serviceable = Josh Hart level player
* Bad shooter = career bench player

[Who]

Just don't think this deal needs Hugo and a boatload of picks. One or the other.

Yeah, if they want picks & youth then they can take D White and Hauser for Giannis instead of JB. One package or the other.

[Goldstar88]

Hugo was the 28th pick in a weak draft and averaged a whopping 3.9 ppg, 3.3 rpg, 0.5 apg, 0.6 spg, 0.3 bpg, 0.5 tpg, and 1.7 fpg.  That is the guy you are holding firm on.

Yeah, I don?t get it either. Hugo is young and has some upside, but he cannot shoot at all. I see a decent role player. Not someone who should stop the trade from going through.

He is 20 and shot 36% from 3.  It is not a strength, but cannot shoot at all is not supported by the numbers.  His 12.4 net rating and +6.4 on-off is not what you see from rookies who get 15 minutes per night.  Those stats are typically reserved for fluke numbers in garbage time over a couple hundred minutes or star players.  And the eye test with how active he is on the court backs up those advanced stats.

I think his 3pt shooting is a fluke. Had only 1.6 attempts per game. Would be shocked if he was able to do that again next year. Hugo shot 50% from the FT line and he has no midrange game.

[Who]

Hugo was the 28th pick in a weak draft and averaged a whopping 3.9 ppg, 3.3 rpg, 0.5 apg, 0.6 spg, 0.3 bpg, 0.5 tpg, and 1.7 fpg.  That is the guy you are holding firm on.

Yeah, I don?t get it either. Hugo is young and has some upside, but he cannot shoot at all. I see a decent role player. Not someone who should stop the trade from going through.

He is 20 and shot 36% from 3.  It is not a strength, but cannot shoot at all is not supported by the numbers.  His 12.4 net rating and +6.4 on-off is not what you see from rookies who get 15 minutes per night.  Those stats are typically reserved for fluke numbers in garbage time over a couple hundred minutes or star players.  And the eye test with how active he is on the court backs up those advanced stats.

I think his 3pt shooting is a fluke. Would be shocked if he was able to do that again next year. Hugo is 50% from the FT line and he has no midrange game.

Agreed on the 36% number. That number is meaningless. The sample is too small. He cannot shoot from anywhere else. He has no long two. No midrange 2. No short 2. As you say, no FTs.

If Hugo had to take more 3s, I don't think he can sustain that 36%.

[Celtics2021]

Hugo was the 28th pick in a weak draft and averaged a whopping 3.9 ppg, 3.3 rpg, 0.5 apg, 0.6 spg, 0.3 bpg, 0.5 tpg, and 1.7 fpg.  That is the guy you are holding firm on.

Yeah, I don?t get it either. Hugo is young and has some upside, but he cannot shoot at all. I see a decent role player. Not someone who should stop the trade from going through.

He is 20 and shot 36% from 3.  It is not a strength, but cannot shoot at all is not supported by the numbers.  His 12.4 net rating and +6.4 on-off is not what you see from rookies who get 15 minutes per night.  Those stats are typically reserved for fluke numbers in garbage time over a couple hundred minutes or star players.  And the eye test with how active he is on the court backs up those advanced stats.

I think his 3pt shooting is a fluke. Had 1.6 attempts a game. Would be shocked if he was able to do that again next year. Hugo shot 50% from the FT line and he has no midrange game.

36% is a fluke on 3-point shooting with only 1.6 attempts per game, but 50% from the line is not a fluke on 0.4 attempts per game.  Sure.  He literally went 2-7 from 10-16 feet.  That is it, 7 attempts.  1-3 from 16 feet to the 3 point line.  10 total attempts. On the season.  You are totally speaking beyond the data.