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« Reply #330 on: Yesterday at 03:24:02 PM »

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NBA sources I've spoken with have connected the Raptors to Bucks centre Myles Turner, with the possibility that Raptors centre Jakob Poeltl, third-year wing Gradey Dick and potentially draft compensation being the core of a deal

I would like to see that happen.

...Am I crazy for preferring Poeltl over Turner, straight up?  I guess in terms of team fit, you want the extra shooter next to Barnes.  Still, I'm not giving up surplus value to make that deal.

Yes, you are crazy.  Poeltl turns 31 in October, is declining in terms of skill, and in the last three seasons has topped out at 57 games played, while only getting into 46 last year.  Turner, while disappointing last year and definitely overpaid, was at least healthy and can point to all the crap going on in Milwaukee last season as affecting him.  Further, while Turner makes about $7 million more this season, they are equally paid in the subsequent seasons, and after that Poeltl has one more season at $27.3 million when he will be 34.  It is an atrocious contract.  Furthermore, Gradey Dick is awful, and his $7 million salary erases any savings switching from Turner to Poeltl this year for the Bucks.

Potentially draft compensation was laughable.  If that deal happened, there would for sure be draft compensation, probably a 1st rounder protected only 1-4.

I guess I'll keep being crazy.  I don't like Turner at all.  I think his poor hands sorely limit his impact at both ends of the court.  He blocks more shots than Poeltl but I like Poeltl's overall defensive impact more (though admittedly my opinion may be dated there - I didn't see much of Toronto last season). 

I concede Poeltl's poor availability and questionable team fit are issues but I'm still not taking Turner over him.

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« Reply #331 on: Yesterday at 03:24:40 PM »

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Multiple teams, including the Lakers, have reached out to the Pelicans about Yves Missi, but the Pelicans have resisted those offers.

This was a pre-draft report. I am not sure if it was only offers of a pick for Missi. Whether a late 1st or multiple 2nds. SportsNet reported this. Throwaway comment. No further details than what is in the quote above.

Yes, the Pels had remorse at not having a 1st round pick, and were hoping to fetch one with Missi.  That unsurprisingly did not happen.  I still expect him to be moved in the coming weeks.

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« Reply #332 on: Yesterday at 04:08:08 PM »

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Interesting insight on Giannis & Middleton

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However, Khris Middleton was considered the "Giannis whisperer," a player who had the star's utmost respect and could deliver hard criticism or honest thoughts about his game.

And while Middleton (and the coaching staff) struggled to create cohesion alongside Antetokounmpo and Lillard, Middleton had inherently understood the on-court hierarchy.

He may not have liked it, but he long ago decided he would not be the problem.

The article itself is about the breakup of Giannis & MIL

https://eu.jsonline.com/story/sports/nba/bucks/2026/06/24/how-the-giannis-antetokounmpo-era-in-milwaukee-came-to-a-bitter-end/90478839007/

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On the heels of the first losing season in a decade, how did the organization and the face of it get here? 

There was no singular moment, no flashpoint. 

The separation was the result of slowly bleeding out over the past three seasons. The symptoms of so many small self-inflicted wounds were tangible, but no one with the power to staunch them applied any pressure.

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Story Summary

* The relationship between Giannis Antetokounmpo and the Milwaukee Bucks deteriorated over three seasons due to coaching changes and roster moves.

* Key decisions, such as firing coach Mike Budenholzer and trading Jrue Holiday for Damian Lillard, fractured the team's winning culture.

* A series of coaching hires, including Adrian Griffin and Doc Rivers, failed to establish trust and a clear identity for the team.

* Communication breakdowns and conflicting actions from both Antetokounmpo and team leadership led to a mutual loss of faith.

* The culmination of these issues resulted in Antetokounmpo being traded from the franchise he led to a championship.

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That it was Holiday who had to be moved out for Lillard, not another high-priced player. That starting guard Grayson Allen would also have to be traded.
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That the team's defense-first identity would be flipped entirely on its head.

I had forgotten Grayson Allen was on the Bucks. He has been excellent for Phoenix. Last season and 3 years ago. The middle season wasn't great but he saw his minutes and role reduced by Bradley Beal. I feel that was more circumstance than his play.

Grayson Allen would have been great on MIL this year. Him and Ryan Rollins in the backcourt. If they had of kept Jrue, Jrue as well. A 3 guard backcourt.

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Interesting info on the coach Adrian Griffin.

Apparently he had a few issues. He was insecure about the team bringing in Terry Stotts - Lillard's old head coach -- as his assistant. Griffin gave him a dressing down in the locker room in front of the whole team. Stotts resigned.

Another issue. Giannis felt that he and Lillard were on their own. That Griffin had no ideas and was of no help to improve their on court partnership. That Giannis & Lillard would have to figure out everything for themselves.

Griffin refused to replace Stotts with an experienced assistant. The team felt he needed an experienced coach given his own inexperience. The team didn't think much of his analytical video presentation team. They felt they were worse prepared than under Budenholzer.

And some felt Griffin was only hired because of Giannis so some others in the locker room had no confidence in him. Yikes.

Giannis ended up drawing plays with Portis because he lost trust in Griffin. Then the team lost trust in his defensive schemes. They were arguing so loud with Griffin that the whole media could hear it from outside the locker room. Then they staged a coup to get rid of Griffin. Jeez ... the players started calling their own plays, their own defensive schemes, their own substitutions / rotations. This is all within the first few days of the season. Griffin was allowing player input but allowed too much of it and they took over.

That's what the Celtics should do with Mazzulla. Run him out this building and bring in a new, veteran coach who can draw up schemes and open more offensive game plans than just chucking 3's.


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Re: NBA 2026-27 offseason trades, signings & rumors
« Reply #333 on: Yesterday at 04:10:13 PM »

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Its going to be interesting to see what OKC does. They drafted Mara at #12, have Sorber who they drafted at 17 last year and missed the entire season with injury, have a Hartenstein option at 28.5.

They also drafted Stirtz at 16 and still have Topic who has only played 10 games in two years coming off cancer.

They have 12 guys under contract, three guys with team options (Hartenstein, Dort, Kenrich) and now these two rookies to sign. So two guys at minimum are going to be odd men out.

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« Reply #334 on: Yesterday at 04:32:20 PM »

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Its going to be interesting to see what OKC does. They drafted Mara at #12, have Sorber who they drafted at 17 last year and missed the entire season with injury, have a Hartenstein option at 28.5.

They also drafted Stirtz at 16 and still have Topic who has only played 10 games in two years coming off cancer.

They have 12 guys under contract, three guys with team options (Hartenstein, Dort, Kenrich) and now these two rookies to sign. So two guys at minimum are going to be odd men out.

There's a similar dynamic that's going to happen with the Bucks bringing in four new Heat players and two draft picks.

Who might they let go, or be willing to trade in a 2-for-1 type of deal?

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« Reply #335 on: Yesterday at 04:32:28 PM »

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Its going to be interesting to see what OKC does. They drafted Mara at #12, have Sorber who they drafted at 17 last year and missed the entire season with injury, have a Hartenstein option at 28.5.

They also drafted Stirtz at 16 and still have Topic who has only played 10 games in two years coming off cancer.

They have 12 guys under contract, three guys with team options (Hartenstein, Dort, Kenrich) and now these two rookies to sign. So two guys at minimum are going to be odd men out.

Topic is for sure being dumped.  He just had back surgery in the last two weeks.  That means yet another summer of missed workouts.  His development has to be severely stunted because of his repeated misfortune, and that $5.4 million is pricy for a team avoiding aprons.

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« Reply #336 on: Yesterday at 04:35:28 PM »

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https://eu.jsonline.com/story/sports/nba/bucks/2026/06/24/how-the-giannis-antetokounmpo-era-in-milwaukee-came-to-a-bitter-end/90478839007/

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During a Dec. 17 media session, Antetokounmpo said he did not speak to ownership at all about his future with the team during the season.

This, despite having done exactly that after the earlier December report. It was another lie in ownership?s eyes, and it was beginning to wear on them. 

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"When you're around Giannis, and then what you hear on the outside, it's two different worlds," Rivers said on the Bill Simmons podcast after the season. "I think a lot people were talking for him. I don't know if they necessarily were doing that in what he was actually saying, and it made things murky, and it made things very, very difficult."

Giannis comes across like a diva in that article.

Some stuff on the team having to sign his brothers

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Ownership tried to assuage Antetokounmpo's discontent by re-signing his older brother Thanasis Antetokounmpo. It was only then that ESPN stopped. But even the signing failed to smooth everything over. Waiting until late August to finalize Thanasis' minimum deal irritated the family and its representatives.

"I have seen them make every decision with the foundational piece being, "What will Giannis think of this??" one team source said of the top of the organization.

Added another:?And that is what has gotten us to this point.?

The team also signed Giannis' youngest brother, Alex, to a contract that gave him his first chance at playing in the NBA. The brothers' personal skills coach Mike Kalavros also was allowed to travel with the team.

These deals bothered Rivers and other coaches, as they felt the organization had bowed too much to appease their star player. To them, Antetokounmpo wanted things both ways.

"Giannis said so many things," a former coach said, "It stems from your actions, which is, "My brothers have to be on this team." Well then, are you about a championship? 'Cause they're not only not helping us win a championship, it's creating dissension."

The article goes over his influence on the coaching changes and the dissent in the locker room of which Giannis often led.

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The star told them he was committed for the upcoming season.

What Antetokounmpo avoided was that he did not believe Doc Rivers could push him, or the team, to the level he aspired. Or that if Rivers were dismissed, it would help convince him to fully buy into a new, upcoming plan for the team.

In a way, he felt he had used his influence regarding the decisions on Mike Budenholzer, Adrian Griffin and Damian Lillard, which he regretted. And Antetokounmpo was keenly aware of how another coach firing might affect his reputation.

The article also talks about little effort both Giannis & Lillard made to improve their on-court chemistry / relationship. They talked about doing things but never followed through. Their on-court chemistry was a problem throughout their time together.

I believe the same would have happened with Tatum & Giannis. I think Giannis is plain difficult to play. Tatum & Lillard could play together.

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So many different reports of Giannis taking over and drawing up the team plays. Directing teammates what to do. Not what the coach wanted to do but what Giannis wanted them to do. Happened under A Griffin and happened under Doc. Many times.

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Antetokounmpo then began to amplify his issues. He criticized the coaches for not holding him accountable, how the offense was being run, and his teammate?s selfishness. That dissatisfaction then spilled onto the court. He stopped shooting. He booed the fans at Fiserv Forum. It looked like he wanted to walk off the court in San Antonio.

This was Giannis during last season. Throwing his toys out the pram.

I still think that Bucks team underachieved + that they would have won more with Jaylen Brown than they did with (a healthy) Giannis. This type of information only reinforces that belief.

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But Antetokounmpo?s unavailability (he missed 46 games entirely and played only 12 games fully healthy), the petulance with which he did play, combined with those speaking to ESPN on his behalf in contrast to his public declarations of commitment, had worn out the ownership, coaching staff, even the locker room.

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It's hard to know Antetokounmpo's level of self-awareness, but whatever buttons he tried to push, or methods of communication he felt best to use, fell just as flat as those of the head coach.

Antetokounmpo let it be known he did not like locker room leaks, but his mental state was chronicled nearly all season by anonymous sources. He pleaded for accountability but then tried to pass off those reports as someone else?s doing. He would call his teammates selfish but then stand on a visiting team?s court with a former coach and yell about how that person would make sure he got the ball. 
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« Reply #337 on: Yesterday at 09:17:28 PM »

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Wow, Isaiah Stewart traded to the Grizzlies for 3 second round picks 
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« Reply #338 on: Yesterday at 09:19:17 PM »

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Wow, Isaiah Stewart traded to the Grizzlies for 3 second round picks

What?! Why didn't we give them our TPE?

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« Reply #339 on: Yesterday at 09:19:21 PM »

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Wow, Isaiah Stewart traded to the Grizzlies for 3 second round picks

So much for Hauser being sent there for him. Looks like ole Sam will be back in Boston again next season.

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« Reply #340 on: Yesterday at 09:21:31 PM »

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Wow, Isaiah Stewart traded to the Grizzlies for 3 second round picks

So much for Hauser being sent there for him. Looks like ole Sam will be back in Boston again next season.

I wonder if that makes Santi Aldama available in a trade.

PF: Cam Boozer, Santi Aldama
 C: Zach Edey, Isaiah Stewart

Not enough minutes to go around.

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« Reply #341 on: Yesterday at 09:31:21 PM »

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Wow, Isaiah Stewart traded to the Grizzlies for 3 second round picks

It is really disappointing we didn?t try to beat that. Brad better have something bigger going on. Not actively trying to get a guy like Stewart who is both a great fit and affordable is strange

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« Reply #342 on: Yesterday at 09:36:28 PM »

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Wow, Isaiah Stewart traded to the Grizzlies for 3 second round picks

It is really disappointing we didn?t try to beat that. Brad better have something bigger going on. Not actively trying to get a guy like Stewart who is both a great fit and affordable is strange

Yeah...3 second round picks is nothing. Someone wake Brad up.

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« Reply #343 on: Yesterday at 09:41:34 PM »

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Wow, Isaiah Stewart traded to the Grizzlies for 3 second round picks

It is really disappointing we didn?t try to beat that. Brad better have something bigger going on. Not actively trying to get a guy like Stewart who is both a great fit and affordable is strange

Yeah...3 second round picks is nothing. Someone wake Brad up.

So we literally did not have three seconds to trade.  So it would have been a first.

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« Reply #344 on: Yesterday at 09:49:23 PM »

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Wow, Isaiah Stewart traded to the Grizzlies for 3 second round picks

It is really disappointing we didn?t try to beat that. Brad better have something bigger going on. Not actively trying to get a guy like Stewart who is both a great fit and affordable is strange

Yeah...3 second round picks is nothing. Someone wake Brad up.

So we literally did not have three seconds to trade.  So it would have been a first.

I would have been ok dumping Sam for him.