Trade Idea: Celtics - Pelicans

[jambr380]

I just can't see the Celtics trading Jaylen for "good but not all-star" player and draft picks. Brown will be 30, white 32, Tatum 29 by next year's playoffs. They are in "win-now" mode, not "accumulate assets and hope something better comes along" mode.

Trading him for a clear-cut top 5 player like Giannis is one thing, selling him off for assets is just not something Boston is going to do unless the "asset flip" second phase of the trade is already in place this offseason.

I agree with this part. I can't imagine the team is all-in on Dejounte Murray being a part of this team moving forward. I'd imagine the goal would be have Murphy mostly replace what Jaylen is giving you and then hope to trade the Murray contract for a big. Maybe include our own picks in a deal (if it is a real upgrade), but not the NOP ones we would presumably be getting back.

Then go ahead and sign a guard using the MLE. Who that big is I have no idea. I heard Claxton's name as an option. I guess I would do a straight up trade for Turner, but I wouldn't be excited about it. In both cases, we could then take them into our Simons TPE and then create a new, slightly bigger TPE to have available next year when we are ready to go into the tax again.

[Goldstar88]

I just can't see the Celtics trading Jaylen for "good but not all-star" player and draft picks. Brown will be 30, white 32, Tatum 29 by next year's playoffs. They are in "win-now" mode, not "accumulate assets and hope something better comes along" mode.

Trading him for a clear-cut top 5 player like Giannis is one thing, selling him off for assets is just not something Boston is going to do unless the "asset flip" second phase of the trade is already in place this offseason.

Zion was an All-Star twice. He averaged 27pts/7rebs/4 ast his second year in the league.

[slamtheking]

I just can't see the Celtics trading Jaylen for "good but not all-star" player and draft picks. Brown will be 30, white 32, Tatum 29 by next year's playoffs. They are in "win-now" mode, not "accumulate assets and hope something better comes along" mode.

Trading him for a clear-cut top 5 player like Giannis is one thing, selling him off for assets is just not something Boston is going to do unless the "asset flip" second phase of the trade is already in place this offseason.

Zion was an All-Star twice. He averaged 27pts/7rebs/4 ast his second year in the league.

and he's a long way from that as opposed to JB who all-NBA second team. 

[keevsnick]

I just can't see the Celtics trading Jaylen for "good but not all-star" player and draft picks. Brown will be 30, white 32, Tatum 29 by next year's playoffs. They are in "win-now" mode, not "accumulate assets and hope something better comes along" mode.

Trading him for a clear-cut top 5 player like Giannis is one thing, selling him off for assets is just not something Boston is going to do unless the "asset flip" second phase of the trade is already in place this offseason.

Zion was an All-Star twice. He averaged 27pts/7rebs/4 ast his second year in the league.

Unfortunately its no longer his second year in the league.

[Goldstar88]

I just can't see the Celtics trading Jaylen for "good but not all-star" player and draft picks. Brown will be 30, white 32, Tatum 29 by next year's playoffs. They are in "win-now" mode, not "accumulate assets and hope something better comes along" mode.

Trading him for a clear-cut top 5 player like Giannis is one thing, selling him off for assets is just not something Boston is going to do unless the "asset flip" second phase of the trade is already in place this offseason.

Zion was an All-Star twice. He averaged 27pts/7rebs/4 ast his second year in the league.

Unfortunately its no longer his second year in the league.

The point that you seem to be missing is that Zion has a high ceiling and is still only 25 years old. Acting like he isn?t an immense talent is silly. It took JB 10 years in the league to have a season where he averaged 27+ PPG.

[boscel33]

If they're sending him to NOP, then this is the package I want in return:  Dejounte Murray, Trey Murphy III, and multiple first-round picks heading to Boston.

It provides roster flexibility for other moves, like a DWhite move.

[Moranis]

Zion averaged 21 ppg, 5.7 rpg, 3.2 apg, 2.0 tpg.   Jaylen Brown has never done at least that with all 4 categories before.  That assist to turnover ratio was even Zion's worst in 4 years and would be the 2nd best in Jaylen's career.  Brown is an inefficient checker that turns it over a lot.  Having an Uber efficient player like Zion next to Tatum would be an improvement. 

[Vermont Green]

How about flip this around some and do a trade along these lines:

Brown + Hauser
for
Zion + Murray + Picks?

NOP keeps their good young player in Murphy, which makes sense they would want to do.  BOS gets Zion, a potential upside players with some risk and a vet guard who is actually pretty good.  I think NOP would include at least 1 first with this as well.

It adds about $7M to BOS salary, so limits flexibility, but results in a pretty well balanced  team:

Murray
White
Tatum
Zion
Queta

[slamtheking]

How about flip this around some and do a trade along these lines:

Brown + Hauser
for
Zion + Murray + Picks?

NOP keeps their good young player in Murphy, which makes sense they would want to do.  BOS gets Zion, a potential upside players with some risk and a vet guard who is actually pretty good.  I think NOP would include at least 1 first with this as well.

It adds about $7M to BOS salary, so limits flexibility, but results in a pretty well balanced  team:

Murray
White
Tatum
Zion
Queta

what would be the point of this?  C's send out the best player in the deal for 2 guys with injury histories and do not get back the most desired player NO has.  The draft capital doesn't come close to making up the difference no matter how many NO includes because they only have their own to trade which will only be picks in the 20's if NO has Brown and Murphy and the rest of their roster

[Vermont Green]

Zion averaged 21 ppg, 5.7 rpg, 3.2 apg, 2.0 tpg.   Jaylen Brown has never done at least that with all 4 categories before.  That assist to turnover ratio was even Zion's worst in 4 years and would be the 2nd best in Jaylen's career.  Brown is an inefficient checker that turns it over a lot.  Having an Uber efficient player like Zion next to Tatum would be an improvement.

If you are trying to suggest that Zion had a better season than Brown, I am not buying that.  Zion's season was his best in a while, but not as good as some of his early years where he was looking like a dominant player.  The big question of course is what the trajectory will be from here forward for Zion.  Will he get back fully to the dominant player or is this his new plateau.  And of course can he stay on the court and clean up his act off the court.

I don't know the answer to what his trajectory will be going forward.  At only 25, there is plenty of time for him to still achieve his full ceiling.  But there are also major flags, risks; weight problems, durability issues, off court issues, work ethic issues.

[Vermont Green]

How about flip this around some and do a trade along these lines:

Brown + Hauser
for
Zion + Murray + Picks?

NOP keeps their good young player in Murphy, which makes sense they would want to do.  BOS gets Zion, a potential upside players with some risk and a vet guard who is actually pretty good.  I think NOP would include at least 1 first with this as well.

It adds about $7M to BOS salary, so limits flexibility, but results in a pretty well balanced  team:

Murray
White
Tatum
Zion
Queta

what would be the point of this?  C's send out the best player in the deal for 2 guys with injury histories and do not get back the most desired player NO has.  The draft capital doesn't come close to making up the difference no matter how many NO includes because they only have their own to trade which will only be picks in the 20's if NO has Brown and Murphy and the rest of their roster

We are just spit-balling trade ideas.  The main difference between Murray and Murphy is that Murray is a better fit positionally.  I don't buy that Murphy is a guard.  He is a forward.  A promising young forward but if you have Tatum, Zion, and Murphy, the forward position is a bit crowded.  Murray is a guard and was a pretty good one before his injury.  Guard is a better fit on a team with Tatum and Zion.

I don't think it is likely that Brown is traded (I keep saying that).  But it is still fun to test out possible trades because I think there is some possibility that Brown would like to be traded.  Zion has huge risks but some here think he is better than Brown.  There is a chance that he will be as good if not better than Brown for the next 5 seasons.  I think the chance is slim, but it is a real possibility.  If that happens, this would be a really good trade.  If Zion eats himself out of the league, this would be a really bad trade.  Those are the extremes.

[Moranis]

Zion averaged 21 ppg, 5.7 rpg, 3.2 apg, 2.0 tpg.   Jaylen Brown has never done at least that with all 4 categories before.  That assist to turnover ratio was even Zion's worst in 4 years and would be the 2nd best in Jaylen's career.  Brown is an inefficient checker that turns it over a lot.  Having an Uber efficient player like Zion next to Tatum would be an improvement.

If you are trying to suggest that Zion had a better season than Brown, I am not buying that.  Zion's season was his best in a while, but not as good as some of his early years where he was looking like a dominant player.  The big question of course is what the trajectory will be from here forward for Zion.  Will he get back fully to the dominant player or is this his new plateau.  And of course can he stay on the court and clean up his act off the court.

I don't know the answer to what his trajectory will be going forward.  At only 25, there is plenty of time for him to still achieve his full ceiling.  But there are also major flags, risks; weight problems, durability issues, off court issues, work ethic issues.

Zion was pretty healthy but last year was the worst statistical year in his career. That is the thing that should be the most concerning thing. Was that a sign of things to come or will his numbers go back up.

Brown had a better season that Zion, but he can't do the things Zion can do and basicalky everything Brown does, Tatum does better.  Tatum and Brown are badically the same player.  Zion is different from them.  Sometimes being different leads to better success, sometimes it does not. I'm just at the point where Boston has clearly plateaued short of the peak and I don't see a realistic way to reach the peak again without some major changes. 

[Csfan1984]

Zion's value is like Trae Young if not worse. Still not the worse deal but I could Cs asking for a first or two not Pelicans.

[Goldstar88]

How about flip this around some and do a trade along these lines:

Brown + Hauser
for
Zion + Murray + Picks?

NOP keeps their good young player in Murphy, which makes sense they would want to do.  BOS gets Zion, a potential upside players with some risk and a vet guard who is actually pretty good.  I think NOP would include at least 1 first with this as well.

It adds about $7M to BOS salary, so limits flexibility, but results in a pretty well balanced  team:

Murray
White
Tatum
Zion
Queta

what would be the point of this?  C's send out the best player in the deal for 2 guys with injury histories and do not get back the most desired player NO has.  The draft capital doesn't come close to making up the difference no matter how many NO includes because they only have their own to trade which will only be picks in the 20's if NO has Brown and Murphy and the rest of their roster

We are just spit-balling trade ideas.  The main difference between Murray and Murphy is that Murray is a better fit positionally.  I don't buy that Murphy is a guard.  He is a forward.  A promising young forward but if you have Tatum, Zion, and Murphy, the forward position is a bit crowded.  Murray is a guard and was a pretty good one before his injury.  Guard is a better fit on a team with Tatum and Zion.

I don't think it is likely that Brown is traded (I keep saying that).  But it is still fun to test out possible trades because I think there is some possibility that Brown would like to be traded.  Zion has huge risks but some here think he is better than Brown.  There is a chance that he will be as good if not better than Brown for the next 5 seasons.  I think the chance is slim, but it is a real possibility.  If that happens, this would be a really good trade.  If Zion eats himself out of the league, this would be a really bad trade.  Those are the extremes.

You know who else is a SF that plays shooting guard? Jaylen Brown. Murphy can easily play the 2. He?s bigger and more athletic than JB.

[Vermont Green]

How about flip this around some and do a trade along these lines:

Brown + Hauser
for
Zion + Murray + Picks?

NOP keeps their good young player in Murphy, which makes sense they would want to do.  BOS gets Zion, a potential upside players with some risk and a vet guard who is actually pretty good.  I think NOP would include at least 1 first with this as well.

It adds about $7M to BOS salary, so limits flexibility, but results in a pretty well balanced  team:

Murray
White
Tatum
Zion
Queta

what would be the point of this?  C's send out the best player in the deal for 2 guys with injury histories and do not get back the most desired player NO has.  The draft capital doesn't come close to making up the difference no matter how many NO includes because they only have their own to trade which will only be picks in the 20's if NO has Brown and Murphy and the rest of their roster

We are just spit-balling trade ideas.  The main difference between Murray and Murphy is that Murray is a better fit positionally.  I don't buy that Murphy is a guard.  He is a forward.  A promising young forward but if you have Tatum, Zion, and Murphy, the forward position is a bit crowded.  Murray is a guard and was a pretty good one before his injury.  Guard is a better fit on a team with Tatum and Zion.

I don't think it is likely that Brown is traded (I keep saying that).  But it is still fun to test out possible trades because I think there is some possibility that Brown would like to be traded.  Zion has huge risks but some here think he is better than Brown.  There is a chance that he will be as good if not better than Brown for the next 5 seasons.  I think the chance is slim, but it is a real possibility.  If that happens, this would be a really good trade.  If Zion eats himself out of the league, this would be a really bad trade.  Those are the extremes.

You know who else is a SF that plays shooting guard? Jaylen Brown. Murphy can easily play the 2. He?s bigger and a better athlete than JB.

You may know Murphy's game better than me.  He feels like a forward, but I don't know.  Jaylen is 6'-6", Murphy is 6'-8".  Jaylen can certainly play either, defend either.  I am not sure you want either handling the ball all that much, as you expect with a guard.    Murray is a guard and to me is much more suited as that combo guard role, like Holiday, different than Murphy or Brown.  And that is a need many talk about.

The team was at its recent best with Holiday, White, Brown, Tatum, Porzingis.  I see the closest you can get to that is Murray, White, Tatum, Zion, and Queta.  Positionally, I like that better than White, Murphy, Tatum, Zion, Queta.  Not saying that Murphy doesn't have more value than Murray, just saying he is a better fit positionally for the team right now.