82-0.com

[Atzar]

This simulation has kind of a frustrating disregard for players who don't score tons of points, I feel.  I get that a model built on basic counting stats (which aren't even tracked for older players) is going to misvalue defensive impact, but it doesn't seem to respect traditional point guards like John Stockton and Steve Nash much either. 

Anyway, best run is 77-5 so far.  It's a fun exercise.  I'll poke at it again later tonight probably. 

[keevsnick]

82-0 is basically just making some kind of points, rebounds, assists, blocks, steals calculation. That's why having Wilt Chamberlain as your center and his 45/18 during the 1960's leads to all these high 70's wins lineups.

My guess is it runs some kind of algorithm where there record you get is based off how close you get to an arbitrary 100% threshold of the various stats.

Its addicting, it not particularly interesting in a basketball sense though.

[Atzar]

https://www.82-0.com/share?id=Ic3LrcLlmZd3Eac30hXp

20s Doncic
20s Ant Edwards
00s TMac
20s Giannis
60s Wilt

There's the Wilt win, lol.

This one might have had a chance even without him. 

[President Red]

82-0!

It took Wilt, but I can now go on with my life.

https://www.82-0.com/share?id=6wpCDsQ4zmdPFx9zUD1q

[ozgod]

Clever little game... we almost need subcategories like "no Wilt" or "I just realized you can change the team, era AND player positions"!

I'm like 1/100 getting Wilt, but a couple of Kareem sightings. Anyone get 82-0 without Wilt?

You can change the player positions??

Not positions, but I was able to reroll the team and era once each.

[Who]

62-20 But again, they'd be super fun to watch!


Play 82-0: https://www.82-0.com/share?id=pLD6UQZzUE4bpax7sKMh

How is that team only a 62-20?

Shaq and C-Webb in the post. Chauncey at the controls with prime Vince and prime Ray Allen on the wings.

Cool team.

[Who]

I haven't had Westbrook yet. I wonder how valuable he is in this game. He'd be a near triple double PG.

The game does seem to like Fat Lever was 80s / 90s Nuggets.

On another note, has anyone else noticed that Micheal Ray Richardson is not in the game? I was wanting to take him on the 80s Nets. He isn't on the 80s Knicks either.

[Who]

82-0 is basically just making some kind of points, rebounds, assists, blocks, steals calculation. That's why having Wilt Chamberlain as your center and his 45/18 during the 1960's leads to all these high 70's wins lineups.

My guess is it runs some kind of algorithm where there record you get is based off how close you get to an arbitrary 100% threshold of the various stats.

Its addicting, it not particularly interesting in a basketball sense though.

I feel like rebounds and blocks are very important. Maybe steals as well. Not convinced assists are important. It doesn't seem to make much of a difference if you have multiple high assist guys. Scoring also seems less important than expected.

I think you need 40+ rebounds. Preferably 45-50 rebounds. And I think you need to get above 5 steals + 5 blocks preferably 7stls + 7blks. These are the ranges I am seeing for high ranking teams.


I think you need 2 high rebounding forwards up near 10 rebounds a game along with a high rebounding center. That gets you 30-35 rebounds. Then 5+5 with the 2 guards.

The blocks are tricky. You need 2 shotblocking PF/Cs. You need to avoid low blow / low steal wings even if they are high scoring players like many of those 80s SFs. They don't have the rebounds, blocks or steals.

That is my impression anyway. To get 70+ win teams.

[Who]

82-0 is basically just making some kind of points, rebounds, assists, blocks, steals calculation. That's why having Wilt Chamberlain as your center and his 45/18 during the 1960's leads to all these high 70's wins lineups.

My guess is it runs some kind of algorithm where there record you get is based off how close you get to an arbitrary 100% threshold of the various stats.

Its addicting, it not particularly interesting in a basketball sense though.

I feel like rebounds and blocks are very important. Maybe steals as well. Not convinced assists are important. It doesn't seem to make much of a difference if you have multiple high assist guys. Scoring also seems less important than expected.

I think you need 40+ rebounds. Preferably 45-50 rebounds. And I think you need to get above 5 steals + 5 blocks preferably 7stls + 7blks. These are the ranges I am seeing for high ranking teams.


I think you need 2 high rebounding forwards up near 10 rebounds a game along with a high rebounding center. That gets you 30-35 rebounds. Then 5+5 with the 2 guards.

The blocks are tricky. You need 2 shotblocking PF/Cs. You need to avoid low blow / low steal wings even if they are high scoring players like many of those 80s SFs. They don't have the rebounds, blocks or steals.

That is my impression anyway. To get 70+ win teams.

Here is an interesting team. It went 67-15.

It had 106ppg 45rpg only 15apg 6.5spg 5.5bpg.

So my two bigs were Walt Bellamy (25ppg 15rpg) and Zo (21ppg 10rpg 3bpg). Shawn Marion was my 00s PHX pick because he has high rebounds, blocks and steals (10rpg, 1.9spg, 1.4bpg) along with 18ppg. The three frontcourt guys averaged a whopping 5.3apg combined which is why the team's assist numbers are so low.

My guards ended up being D Fox (20s Spurs) and E Jones (00s CHA). I wished I took E Monroe instead of Walt Bellamy because then I could have taken Wemby. I have gotten a bunch of high scores with Wemby. The game seems to like him. He would have given me another 3bpg to push the blocks up to 8.5bpg. Anyway, I had Bellamy. So I took Fox. He had 1.4spg. E Jones had 2.7spg and 0.7bpg. Big time time numbers for a guard.

Anyway. An interesting example of rebounds, blocks, steals versus assists.

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The 1960s guys can hurt you with a lack of steals & blocks but can give you a major boost in rebounding. B Russell, Wilt, Nate Thurmond all have big impacts. E Baylor looks to have a big impact as well. Oscar for a guard. I haven't had J West yet because I keep taking Wilt or Elgin. R Barry is good with 30ppg/10rpg.

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I don't know ... should the goal be to have each of your 5 players to have around 2 stocks per game? 2+ combined steals / blocks? That seems to make a big difference.

[Who]

I don't know ... should the goal be to have each of your 5 players to have around 2 stocks per game? 2+ combined steals / blocks? That seems to make a big difference.

I think this is part of what makes Kareem so valuable. 70s LAL Kareem has 3.6bpg and 1.3spg. So almost 5 stocks per game.

Here is an interesting team - it went 76-6

C: Kareem - 4.9 stocks per game
F: KG - 2.6 stocks per game (00s BOS)
F: Dantley - 2.8 stocks per game (70s IND)
G: McGrady - 2.6 stocks per game (00s ORL)
G: Trae Young - 1.3 stocks per game

Trae Young let me down at the end. I was hoping Dejounte Murray would have more but it was similar and Trae had far more points and rebounds. I am leaning more towards D Murray over Zion on the 20s Pelicans now. Zion too low in rebounds & stocks. Hard to get high scores with him. Banchero for 20s ORL or Siakam for 20s TOR have similar issues. All low in rebounds & stocks.

That team above finished with 7.3spg 6.8bpg. A bit of bad luck getting 00s BOS because KG's stocks & rebounds are good but not great. Getting someone better there it would have been closer to 80 wins. I see KG and Trae as the weak links in that team.

[Who]

Here is an opposite example - low in stocks but super high in rebounds which resulted in a 76-6 win team

G: L Wilkins (60s SEA)
G: Luka (20s DAL)
F: PG13 (10s OKC)
F: D Lee (10s NY)
C: B Russell

They had 56 rebounds per game. 28.9 assists which is a good mark. Both Wilkens and Luka with 8-9apg and the other 3 with 3-4apg. 112ppg. Only 4.3spg and 1.9bpg because those stats were not recorded in the 60s for Russell or Lenny + D Lee (1.5 stocks) and Luka (1.7 stocks) are lowish.

Only PG13 met the 2+ stocks criteria with 2.6 stocks.

Rebounds and stocks.

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I don't know that you can build a high winning team that is low in rebounds. This seems to be how you get around the high 50s low 60s.

I just had a 59 win team with 29rpg.

I had a 62 win team that was high in stocks with 15 stocks per game but only 38.9rpg. I did well on the perimeter but had low rebounding bigs. Zo (90s MIA), Googs (90s MIN), J-Smith (10s ATL) were my frontcourt.

[Who]

Here is a fun 71-11 team without any major stars

G: Fat Lever - 80s DEN
G: J Harden - 20s BKN
F: G Wallace - 00s CHA
F: L Aldridge - 10s POR
C: Jerry Lucas - 60s SAC

I think Fat Lever is one of the favourites of this game. He gets you 7.3rpg, 2.5spg, 0.3bpg. So big numbers in rebounds and stocks. J Harden is another favourite in this game. I have had several big winning teams with 10s HOU Harden. His BKN numbers are big as well 24/8/11 per game along with 2 stocks per game.

Then I got in trouble at forward with 00s CHA and 10s POR. No high yield players there. I went with Gerald Wallace over Mashburn for his stocks (2spg 1.2bpg). Picked L Aldridge for POR. Then ended up with 60s SAC for my last pick and got Jerry Lucas. No stocks for 60s but massive points and rebound numbers (19ppg 19rpg).

The team hit that 50rpg plateau. That looks an important one for 70+ win teams.

My guards (Harden, Fat Lever) had 15.2rpg. It is just those dang forwards. G Wallace only 6.8rpg and Aldridge only 9rpg. If those were double digit rebounders, this could have been an 80 or near 80 win team.

[Who]

Can anybody make a max assists team?

This is the closest I have gotten so far:

C: Jokic - 9.3apg
F: LeBron - 6.7apg (10s MIA)
F: G Hill - 6.5apg (90s DET)
G: Ty Jerome - 5.7apg (20s MEM)
G: Deron - 10.8apg (10s UTA)

38.4apg as a team.

Only 34.8rpg though. Jokic 12.4rpg. G Hill 8.1rpg and LeBron 7.6rpg as my forwards. Deron okay at 4rpg. Ty Jerome a non-entity at 2.8rpg.

So the team finished 70-12. That is the highest mark I have gotten for a low rebounding team. It had 7.1spg which is good but only 2.6bpg. Near impossible to have good blocks numbers with Jokic on the team. 114ppg.

Jokic seems imperative for a max assist team. Maybe D Sabonis of 20s SAC could work as well.

[byennie]

Clever little game... we almost need subcategories like "no Wilt" or "I just realized you can change the team, era AND player positions"!

I'm like 1/100 getting Wilt, but a couple of Kareem sightings. Anyone get 82-0 without Wilt?

You can change the player positions??

After you select a player, you can still rearrange positions in your lineup by dragging the logos around. Took me forever to notice this. Of course it still has to be a valid position, so if they're only eligible for C they can't move. But LeBron is eligible at all 5 positions which makes him super useful as a pick.

[Redz]

Clever little game... we almost need subcategories like "no Wilt" or "I just realized you can change the team, era AND player positions"!

I'm like 1/100 getting Wilt, but a couple of Kareem sightings. Anyone get 82-0 without Wilt?

You can change the player positions??

After you select a player, you can still rearrange positions in your lineup by dragging the logos around. Took me forever to notice this. Of course it still has to be a valid position, so if they're only eligible for C they can't move. But LeBron is eligible at all 5 positions which makes him super useful as a pick.

Oh man.  That's a game changer (literally!)