Proposed Jaylen Brown Trade Ideas

[jambr380]

OK, I will keep them coming:

BOS:   Sengun, Capella, Sheppard
HOU:   Brown, Garza

I don't hate the idea of Sengun, but had posted earlier about getting Jabari Smith Jr or Eason. Moranis laid out why he thinks Sheppard would be a better option. Either way it looks like Houston has some solid players to add to Sengun if there is mutual interest.

One of the best things about Sengun is his contract at $35.6M. It's crazy that him and Smith Jr at $23.6M basically equal Jaylen's contract. Both of those contracts on their own look pretty sizable, so that just goes to show how creative you could actually get with trading Jaylen's massive contract.

[keevsnick]

All these ideas that have us swapping Brown for guys roughly as good as him are a no or me. I we are going to trade Brown it has to be or an MVP level guy (like Giannis). All these other trades rely on things like "fit," and I've seen great "fits" blow up enough to know that shouldn't be the driving actor in a trade.

Let me put it a different way. Over the last 40 years only ONE team has won an NBA title without an MVP or DPOY on their team. That was your 2024 Celtics. So if you are going to blow up the core of the one team that's won WITHOUT an MVP/DPOY you better be GETTING an MVP or DPOY in return. Otherwise, you're just spinning a roulette wheel and hoping for luck.

I'd still try to do the Giannis trade WITHOUT Brown first. I'd reluctantly do it with Brown as long as Brown is most of the package. My preference would be get a good offensive center and run it back next year.

[flybono]

I could give 2 sh!ts less about Browns destination
All I know is the player is not worth anything near what the Celts are paying him for the production he provides
The player is fundamentally flawed cannot play above the rim and had his chance last 2 playoffs to be the guy, he wasn?t

Time to go
I would have traded the player last offseason

Giannis is the target, if not Trade him for picks and a possible salary dumpand start a rebuild with Tatum

[Vermont Green]

All these ideas that have us swapping Brown for guys roughly as good as him are a no or me. I we are going to trade Brown it has to be or an MVP level guy (like Giannis). All these other trades rely on things like "fit," and I've seen great "fits" blow up enough to know that shouldn't be the driving actor in a trade.

Let me put it a different way. Over the last 40 years only ONE team has won an NBA title without an MVP or DPOY on their team. That was your 2024 Celtics. So if you are going to blow up the core of the one team that's won WITHOUT an MVP/DPOY you better be GETTING an MVP or DPOY in return. Otherwise, you're just spinning a roulette wheel and hoping for luck.

I'd still try to do the Giannis trade WITHOUT Brown first. I'd reluctantly do it with Brown as long as Brown is most of the package. My preference would be get a good offensive center and run it back next year.

I don't disagree, just spit balling ideas to generate some discussion and debate.  What you are touching on is an important consideration in my mind.  The adage was always that you don't trade a dollar for (4) quarters, meaning the one really good player is more valuable than a collection of lesser players, star power over depth.  But I am starting to wonder if that still applies with the new CBA restrictions.  If you have (2) supermax deals on the books, you don't have a whole lot left to pay the rest of the roster.  No team is going to stay above the 2nd apron and I don't think many will stay even above the 1st.  My top choice would be to trade for Giannis.

As to the Celtics, they have Tatum who is their MVP level player on a supermax deal.  Can BOS really afford to have (2) supermax deals?  Has the calculus changed so that it is better to have (1)  supermax player and then a better supporting cast?  That is how OKC and DET are currently structured.  SAS is in a unique position due to Wemby being on a rookie deal.  NYK is unique also due to Brunson's below market contract.

BOS may be better off to have Tatum and more depth over Tatum and Brown (or even Giannis) and less depth.  I am not sure on this.  Right now, BOS has Tatum, Brown, White and then it drops off precipitately.  If you trade Brown for (2) White-level players, is that a better way to manage the roster around the apron penalties?  You are downgrading Brown but maybe you also now have someone much better than Hauser who can start.

[rondohondo]

Bos sends: Brown. Hauser
Sa sends : FOX, Vessell and Kornet

Bos sends: Brown,Hauser 2nd rd pick
Houston sends: sengun, Parker or reed


Or use the sengun trade to get gannis here.

[celticinorlando]

If you trade brown it has to be for an absolute star. Not for mid stars, picks or anything like that.

[Birdman]

I started a post on this:

Utah get
Brown
White
Garza

Celtics get
Markanen
Jackson
Collier

[jambr380]

All these ideas that have us swapping Brown for guys roughly as good as him are a no or me. I we are going to trade Brown it has to be or an MVP level guy (like Giannis). All these other trades rely on things like "fit," and I've seen great "fits" blow up enough to know that shouldn't be the driving actor in a trade.

Let me put it a different way. Over the last 40 years only ONE team has won an NBA title without an MVP or DPOY on their team. That was your 2024 Celtics. So if you are going to blow up the core of the one team that's won WITHOUT an MVP/DPOY you better be GETTING an MVP or DPOY in return. Otherwise, you're just spinning a roulette wheel and hoping for luck.

I'd still try to do the Giannis trade WITHOUT Brown first. I'd reluctantly do it with Brown as long as Brown is most of the package. My preference would be get a good offensive center and run it back next year.

I don't disagree, just spit balling ideas to generate some discussion and debate.  What you are touching on is an important consideration in my mind.  The adage was always that you don't trade a dollar for (4) quarters, meaning the one really good player is more valuable than a collection of lesser players, star power over depth.  But I am starting to wonder if that still applies with the new CBA restrictions.  If you have (2) supermax deals on the books, you don't have a whole lot left to pay the rest of the roster.  No team is going to stay above the 2nd apron and I don't think many will stay even above the 1st.  My top choice would be to trade for Giannis.

As to the Celtics, they have Tatum who is their MVP level player on a supermax deal.  Can BOS really afford to have (2) supermax deals?  Has the calculus changed so that it is better to have (1)  supermax player and then a better supporting cast?  That is how OKC and DET are currently structured.  SAS is in a unique position due to Wemby being on a rookie deal.  NYK is unique also due to Brunson's below market contract.

BOS may be better off to have Tatum and more depth over Tatum and Brown (or even Giannis) and less depth.  I am not sure on this.  Right now, BOS has Tatum, Brown, White and then it drops off precipitately.  If you trade Brown for (2) White-level players, is that a better way to manage the roster around the apron penalties?  You are downgrading Brown but maybe you also now have someone much better than Hauser who can start.

I think you can have two guys on supermaxes if their production and impact exceed their contract. Tatum probably fits the bill here and a healthy Giannis does, as well. It's the guys who sneak into All-NBA in a contract year that are the problem. We saw that with guys like Wall and Beal.

Brown has generally been healthy and has played at an All-Star level, so he hasn't been a bad contract, but the fact that you can have two guys making $30M and have that basically equal Brown shows just how big his contract really is.

There's also an argument that he and Tatum aren't necessarily the best fit together, but that argument is a little flimsy since they did win a championship together. The my turn, your turn offense grows old quickly, though

[DefenseWinsChamps]

What about some kind of trade with Morant going to the Bucks (plus a bunch of picks), Brown going to the Grizzles, and Giannis going to the Celtics.

Morant and Jenkins were a good player-coach duo, and Morant is a buy-low candidate in the prime of his career. They also get a boatload of draft picks as with any Giannis deal and go through the process of a rebuild, rather than a quick reload/treadmill situation.

Brown would fit the Grizzles system. It's easy to imagine him fitting right into all the athletes on that team.

For the Cs, I'd love to get Edey in the deal too. Edey is a PnR big, and the Grizzles are trying to never run the PnR. I think he's a guy that could be had, and I think he'd be a monster in the playoffs on the right team. In all likelihood, Edey would be going to the Bucks in this deal though.

Biggest issues with this idea is why the Grizzles wouldn't just trade for Giannis, and whether Jenkins would want to coach Morant again. But I liked the symetry otherwise.

[Moranis]

 The Atlanta trade I proposed was Okongwu, NAW, Risacher, and 7 for Brown and 27.  Draft Flemings at 7.

The Houston trade I proposed was Sengun, Sheppard, DFS for Brown, Garza, Scheierman.

A few others that i think make sense but are a bit more out of left field

Kawhi for Brown

Murray, Valanciunas for Brown, Garza

Randle, McDaniels for Brown

Miller, Bridges, Mann for Brown

Thompson, Holland, Stewart, Robinson for Brown, Scheierman, Garza

Siakam, Walker for Brown

Varying types of trades, but I think they do all make sense depending on what Boston is trying to do and for the team acquiring Brown. 

[A Future of Stevens]

If you trade brown it has to be for an absolute star. Not for mid stars, picks or anything like that.

This is where I am. If you feel like moving a player who has been publicly loyal for 10 years coming off a top 5 mvp finish, it has to be for a true blue talent upgrade.

If you are going to convert him into picks and younger players that are a few steps away from being his level, you need multiple of those players and picks, or you shouldn't do it. And if you do elect to do it, you need to be open about entering a retooling phase.

[Vermont Green]

If you trade brown it has to be for an absolute star. Not for mid stars, picks or anything like that.

This is where I am. If you feel like moving a player who has been publicly loyal for 10 years coming off a top 5 mvp finish, it has to be for a true blue talent upgrade.

If you are going to convert him into picks and younger players that are a few steps away from being his level, you need multiple of those players and picks, or you shouldn't do it. And if you do elect to do it, you need to be open about entering a retooling phase.

This seems to be the majority opinion.  But really the only equal or better player that is potentially being traded would be Giannis.  It is not like SGA or Cade or Jokic are going to be traded.  There are not many 1 for 1 trades that are going to work for a player like Brown.  So if that is your criteria, it is basically Giannis or bust.

So that leaves you with options to trade for a nearly as good player and another good player.  Downgrade your #2 a little, but upgrade your #3 or #4 player.  Instead of $57M to one player, you split that up into (2) players.  This is still a hard deal to make, but I think there are some options where a trade like this could make the team better.  Right now, Hauser is our #4 starter, plenty of room to improve that slot.

As to draft picks, I agree that I want players.  This is not about building for the future, it is about improving the team now.  And I would not trade Brown for like (4) players or anything like that.  At a minimum, a legit #2, even if not quite as good as Brown, and then another legit starter who can slot at #3 or worst case a really good #4.

[Birdman]

Brown to Miami for Bam & Herro

White to Dallas for Gafford & Washington

Bam
Washington
Tatum
Herro
Pritchard

Big Q
Gafford
Hauser
Walsh
Baylor
Harper
Hugo

Not gotta happen but looks good to me 😁
Maybe trade Gafford for a backup point

[Vermont Green]

Brown to Miami for Bam & Herro

White to Dallas for Gafford & Washington

Bam
Washington
Tatum
Herro
Pritchard

Big Q
Gafford
Hauser
Walsh
Baylor
Harper
Hugo

Not gotta happen but looks good to me 😁
Maybe trade Gafford for a backup point

I don't want Herro.  Adjust this so that we keep White and send Herro to DAL for Gafford & Washington and maybe I am in.

[smicker16]

The Atlanta trade I proposed was Okongwu, NAW, Risacher, and 7 for Brown and 27.  Draft Flemings at 7.

The Houston trade I proposed was Sengun, Sheppard, DFS for Brown, Garza, Scheierman.

A few others that i think make sense but are a bit more out of left field

Kawhi for Brown

Murray, Valanciunas for Brown, Garza

Randle, McDaniels for Brown

Miller, Bridges, Mann for Brown

Thompson, Holland, Stewart, Robinson for Brown, Scheierman, Garza

Siakam, Walker for Brown

Varying types of trades, but I think they do all make sense depending on what Boston is trying to do and for the team acquiring Brown.

I know you have mentioned that Hawks one but that is maybe my least favorite out of all of these. I personally think the Celtics are in win now mode and should be. Tatum is not young anymore. That Hawks trade feels like a roll of the dice for the long term but no doubt worse in the short term. Risacher could not get playoff minutes on the Hawks and I do not think has potential left really unfortunately. Okongwu and NAW are solid players but they are depth pieces. It all comes down to is that 7th pick an all star. The problem is even if whoever we pick is an all star that likely does not happen immediately and we just cannot be wasting the prime years of Tatum.

I am kind of surprised you want that trade the most since I feel you really understand and push how much star talent matters and there is no doubt we are trading the best player in that deal. All the others are no doubt interesting and I am not as opposed to trading Brown now as I was a few years ago. TP for all the other potential suggestions!