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Over the past few seasons I have really moved away from trade/FA speculation because I find it to be so random and unpredictable. The CBA also makes roster transactions equally about on court production and about keeping the books in line for sustained winning. I love the draft because I can speculate then watch over the seasons and see who I was right/wrong on and try to understand what teams where thinking or seeing in a prospect.

With that said my head is spinning thinking about how BS approaches this offseason. The "gap" year was 95% amazing but all that matters is how it just ended....

My questions/thoughts

Assuming JT/JB/White/Pritchard all remain and represent foundational pieces of this roster. I know many will call for changes in this group but I think BS gives them a healthy JT season together.       

Who or what type of player makes the ideal next 4 playoff rotational pieces with these guys?

I'm leaning towards the Cs needing a true 5th starter. At least this season I would classify Hauser, Baylor, Walsh, Hugo and Harper and all capable 7th man aka 2nd guy off the bench. A true 5th starter is needed and I would like to see this player be more combo guard/traditional SG. Adding a 6'4-6'6 guy who can create some offense for himself while still defending and spacing the floor would really help these Cs shooting droughts. It would also be nice if this player like Holiday before him was able to take some of the primary ball handling duties. Finding that player is very difficult. Do the Cs kick the tire on Tatum BFF/Mentor Brad Beal? Is Grayson Allen attainable? Not that it would happen but if a Zach Lavine took a buyout? 

At Center Neema needs a legit 1B backup and Garza needs to be the 3rd big. Rob Williams is a nice fit in this role and a guy the Cs could nurse through the reg season using young backups to eat minutes. Other options could be Nick Richards or Jusuf Nurkic, I really think the Vooch experience should probably just be moved on from. I also think this spot could be filling in the future through creative drafting.


As fare as the rest of the roster I think its time to sell High on Hauser. Good player on a great contract but I want to see his minutes go to Baylor/Walsh/Hugo. If he isnt used to trade for a 5th starter of center I would try to use him to move up from #27 in this draft with Morez Johnson being my primary draft target. I have written a lot about Morez but bottom line he fits this teams defense and bring an edge/energy that is needed. He is mocked by many in the 20s but I suspect he goes in the teens.


All that being said how would Celtics fans feel if this was the roster/rotation going into next season? Understanding that Beal would be on a season long min restriction and back to back restriction giving more time to Baylor/Hugo/Walsh/Harper and the same for Rob Williams giving more minutes to Garza, Williams and Morez

PG White
SG Beal (if Healthy)
SF JB
PF JT
C  Queta

6th PP
7th Baylor
8th Rob Williams
9th Hugo
10th Walsh
11th Garza
12th Harper
13th Morez Johnson (via trade up)
14th A Williams
15th empty till late season



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I agree that we need another starter, and that that starter should be a guard.  What player would best fit our team?  Jrue Holiday.  Somebody that can defend the point of attack, handle the ball, pass, and shoot.

But, we're not getting Jrue Holiday, and I don't think there's a single player that fills all of those buckets.

https://www.spotrac.com/nba/free-agents/available/_/year/2026

There are a few guys that at one time would have been a good fit, but most of them are on the downside of their career.  I put Beal in that category.

The best FA option I can think of that may be available for the Full MLE is Collin Sexton.  I think he'd be interesting.  We wouldn't have a ton of money to upgrade up front if we used the MLE, though, and still wanted to stay under the tax.



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Moving on:

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Trade:  Williams + #27 for Messi + future #2

Sign:  Collin Sexton ($15.1m) Taurean Prince (VM)

Queta / Messi / Garza
Tatum / Prince
Brown / Hauser / Walsh
White / Scheierman / Harper
Sexton / Pritchard / Hugo


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I agree that we need another starter, and that that starter should be a guard.  What player would best fit our team?  Jrue Holiday.  Somebody that can defend the point of attack, handle the ball, pass, and shoot.

But, we're not getting Jrue Holiday, and I don't think there's a single player that fills all of those buckets.

https://www.spotrac.com/nba/free-agents/available/_/year/2026

There are a few guys that at one time would have been a good fit, but most of them are on the downside of their career.  I put Beal in that category.

The best FA option I can think of that may be available for the Full MLE is Collin Sexton.  I think he'd be interesting.  We wouldn't have a ton of money to upgrade up front if we used the MLE, though, and still wanted to stay under the tax.

The guy we should go after is Christian Braun.  The Nuggets are deep into the tax.  Hauser makes half the salary and would be a good fit for them with all the open looks Jokić can create for him.  Trading out Hauser for Braun, using the TPE, keeps us under the tax.  Braun is more of a secondary ball-handler than a primary one, but I still think he checks the boxes as another option to make things happen with the ball when things start to break down.

The biggest risk with Braun is he is coming off an awful year shooting (under 31% from 3), but he missed a lot of time with injuries and was still playing through it when he returned.  He was a 38% 3-point shooter for his career entering the season on nearly 500 attempts, so I am going to chalk this one up as an anomaly.  It is a noteworthy risk for someone about to start his 5-year extension, however.

But the Nuggets just had an even more disappointing finish to the season than we did, and are over $12 million into the tax with 10 players on the roster.  Someone is getting moved, and Braun feels like a candidate to be shipped out.

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I agree that we need another starter, and that that starter should be a guard.  What player would best fit our team?  Jrue Holiday.  Somebody that can defend the point of attack, handle the ball, pass, and shoot.

But, we're not getting Jrue Holiday, and I don't think there's a single player that fills all of those buckets.

https://www.spotrac.com/nba/free-agents/available/_/year/2026

There are a few guys that at one time would have been a good fit, but most of them are on the downside of their career.  I put Beal in that category.

The best FA option I can think of that may be available for the Full MLE is Collin Sexton.  I think he'd be interesting.  We wouldn't have a ton of money to upgrade up front if we used the MLE, though, and still wanted to stay under the tax.

I like Sexton but on a team with Championship aspirations he is a 6th man. Its funny to me that he is listed at 6'3 while at the combine he measured the same 6' .05" as Pritchard, maybe he grew after being drafted but either way he is a smaller guard (not just height but slighter frame) who is a liability on D come playoff time.
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I agree that we need another starter, and that that starter should be a guard.  What player would best fit our team?  Jrue Holiday.  Somebody that can defend the point of attack, handle the ball, pass, and shoot.

But, we're not getting Jrue Holiday, and I don't think there's a single player that fills all of those buckets.

https://www.spotrac.com/nba/free-agents/available/_/year/2026

There are a few guys that at one time would have been a good fit, but most of them are on the downside of their career.  I put Beal in that category.

The best FA option I can think of that may be available for the Full MLE is Collin Sexton.  I think he'd be interesting.  We wouldn't have a ton of money to upgrade up front if we used the MLE, though, and still wanted to stay under the tax.

The guy we should go after is Christian Braun.  The Nuggets are deep into the tax.  Hauser makes half the salary and would be a good fit for them with all the open looks Jokić can create for him.  Trading out Hauser for Braun, using the TPE, keeps us under the tax.  Braun is more of a secondary ball-handler than a primary one, but I still think he checks the boxes as another option to make things happen with the ball when things start to break down.

The biggest risk with Braun is he is coming off an awful year shooting (under 31% from 3), but he missed a lot of time with injuries and was still playing through it when he returned.  He was a 38% 3-point shooter for his career entering the season on nearly 500 attempts, so I am going to chalk this one up as an anomaly.  It is a noteworthy risk for someone about to start his 5-year extension, however.

But the Nuggets just had an even more disappointing finish to the season than we did, and are over $12 million into the tax with 10 players on the roster.  Someone is getting moved, and Braun feels like a candidate to be shipped out.

I'd stay away from Braun, I worry that Jokic elevates roles players by being such an elite offensive hub. Braun is due to make 21+mill next season and I do not think its unreasonable to say he may be on the same level of a player as Schierman.
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I agree that we need another starter, and that that starter should be a guard.  What player would best fit our team?  Jrue Holiday.  Somebody that can defend the point of attack, handle the ball, pass, and shoot.

But, we're not getting Jrue Holiday, and I don't think there's a single player that fills all of those buckets.

https://www.spotrac.com/nba/free-agents/available/_/year/2026

There are a few guys that at one time would have been a good fit, but most of them are on the downside of their career.  I put Beal in that category.

The best FA option I can think of that may be available for the Full MLE is Collin Sexton.  I think he'd be interesting.  We wouldn't have a ton of money to upgrade up front if we used the MLE, though, and still wanted to stay under the tax.

The guy we should go after is Christian Braun.  The Nuggets are deep into the tax.  Hauser makes half the salary and would be a good fit for them with all the open looks Jokić can create for him.  Trading out Hauser for Braun, using the TPE, keeps us under the tax.  Braun is more of a secondary ball-handler than a primary one, but I still think he checks the boxes as another option to make things happen with the ball when things start to break down.

The biggest risk with Braun is he is coming off an awful year shooting (under 31% from 3), but he missed a lot of time with injuries and was still playing through it when he returned.  He was a 38% 3-point shooter for his career entering the season on nearly 500 attempts, so I am going to chalk this one up as an anomaly.  It is a noteworthy risk for someone about to start his 5-year extension, however.

But the Nuggets just had an even more disappointing finish to the season than we did, and are over $12 million into the tax with 10 players on the roster.  Someone is getting moved, and Braun feels like a candidate to be shipped out.

I'd stay away from Braun, I worry that Jokic elevates roles players by being such an elite offensive hub. Braun is due to make 21+mill next season and I do not think its unreasonable to say he may be on the same level of a player as Schierman.

Offensively that may be so (although I would put him a cut above), but he is absolutely a better perimeter defender than Scheierman.

Don?t get me wrong, there is a risk. That is why he might be available.  But if you were looking for a guard to enter the starting lineup, as Roy is, Braun is probably the best one we can get with our available resources that does not involve trading a core player (no offense to Hauser).  I do not think we would have to give up much more than Sam, since making that trade would probably let Denver keep Peyton Watson in free agency, which Denver needs to do.

Mind you, I would prefer trying to move Sam in a deal that lets us get Tari Eason in a sign-and-trade using the Simons TPE, because I would rather add a starting power forward and shift Tatum and Brown to the 3 and 2, as we did when we had Al and KP, but he might cost more than we can afford in both salary and picks.

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I agree that we need another starter, and that that starter should be a guard.  What player would best fit our team?  Jrue Holiday.  Somebody that can defend the point of attack, handle the ball, pass, and shoot.

But, we're not getting Jrue Holiday, and I don't think there's a single player that fills all of those buckets.

https://www.spotrac.com/nba/free-agents/available/_/year/2026

There are a few guys that at one time would have been a good fit, but most of them are on the downside of their career.  I put Beal in that category.

The best FA option I can think of that may be available for the Full MLE is Collin Sexton.  I think he'd be interesting.  We wouldn't have a ton of money to upgrade up front if we used the MLE, though, and still wanted to stay under the tax.

The guy we should go after is Christian Braun.  The Nuggets are deep into the tax.  Hauser makes half the salary and would be a good fit for them with all the open looks Jokić can create for him.  Trading out Hauser for Braun, using the TPE, keeps us under the tax.  Braun is more of a secondary ball-handler than a primary one, but I still think he checks the boxes as another option to make things happen with the ball when things start to break down.

The biggest risk with Braun is he is coming off an awful year shooting (under 31% from 3), but he missed a lot of time with injuries and was still playing through it when he returned.  He was a 38% 3-point shooter for his career entering the season on nearly 500 attempts, so I am going to chalk this one up as an anomaly.  It is a noteworthy risk for someone about to start his 5-year extension, however.

But the Nuggets just had an even more disappointing finish to the season than we did, and are over $12 million into the tax with 10 players on the roster.  Someone is getting moved, and Braun feels like a candidate to be shipped out.

I'd stay away from Braun, I worry that Jokic elevates roles players by being such an elite offensive hub. Braun is due to make 21+mill next season and I do not think its unreasonable to say he may be on the same level of a player as Schierman.

Yeah, he signed for something like 5 years, $125 million, right?

Denver fans weren't impressed by his shooting, defense or effort this past year.  It's hard to tell how much of that is due to injuries. 


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I don't think our guard rotation is terrible.  It depends on who you consider a guard and who you consider a wing but I see Brown, White, Pritchard, Hauser, Scheierman, and Gonzalez as all able to play guard.  Maybe Walsh too.  Some of these guys can play SF/wing also.  What I think got exposed vs. PHI is that this group lacks speed.  I tend to agree that another guard, more in the mold of Pritchard, more of a quick ballhandling type would be a good target.  That was Simons, but he did not really work out.  That should not be all that expensive of a role to fill.

If for example Hauser could be traded for a comparable player in terms of talent, but that was more of a true guard that could bring some quickness, I would be for that.

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I don't think our guard rotation is terrible.  It depends on who you consider a guard and who you consider a wing but I see Brown, White, Pritchard, Hauser, Scheierman, and Gonzalez as all able to play guard.  Maybe Walsh too.  Some of these guys can play SF/wing also.  What I think got exposed vs. PHI is that this group lacks speed.  I tend to agree that another guard, more in the mold of Pritchard, more of a quick ballhandling type would be a good target.  That was Simons, but he did not really work out.  That should not be all that expensive of a role to fill.

If for example Hauser could be traded for a comparable player in terms of talent, but that was more of a true guard that could bring some quickness, I would be for that.

I feel like Simons definitely worked out, we just traded him to get under the tax. He came into the year a little lost, but his defense actually improved to an acceptable level and he bought into his role off the bench, even though he probably didn't deserve to come off the bench. I'd gladly take Simons back at some portion of our MLE. Not sure he wants to come back to us, though

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I agree that we need another starter, and that that starter should be a guard.  What player would best fit our team?  Jrue Holiday.  Somebody that can defend the point of attack, handle the ball, pass, and shoot.

But, we're not getting Jrue Holiday, and I don't think there's a single player that fills all of those buckets.

https://www.spotrac.com/nba/free-agents/available/_/year/2026

There are a few guys that at one time would have been a good fit, but most of them are on the downside of their career.  I put Beal in that category.

The best FA option I can think of that may be available for the Full MLE is Collin Sexton.  I think he'd be interesting.  We wouldn't have a ton of money to upgrade up front if we used the MLE, though, and still wanted to stay under the tax.

The guy we should go after is Christian Braun.  The Nuggets are deep into the tax.  Hauser makes half the salary and would be a good fit for them with all the open looks Jokić can create for him.  Trading out Hauser for Braun, using the TPE, keeps us under the tax.  Braun is more of a secondary ball-handler than a primary one, but I still think he checks the boxes as another option to make things happen with the ball when things start to break down.

The biggest risk with Braun is he is coming off an awful year shooting (under 31% from 3), but he missed a lot of time with injuries and was still playing through it when he returned.  He was a 38% 3-point shooter for his career entering the season on nearly 500 attempts, so I am going to chalk this one up as an anomaly.  It is a noteworthy risk for someone about to start his 5-year extension, however.

But the Nuggets just had an even more disappointing finish to the season than we did, and are over $12 million into the tax with 10 players on the roster.  Someone is getting moved, and Braun feels like a candidate to be shipped out.

I'd stay away from Braun, I worry that Jokic elevates roles players by being such an elite offensive hub. Braun is due to make 21+mill next season and I do not think its unreasonable to say he may be on the same level of a player as Schierman.

Yeah, he signed for something like 5 years, $125 million, right?

Denver fans weren't impressed by his shooting, defense or effort this past year.  It's hard to tell how much of that is due to injuries.

My feel is that it was a lot more of the injury than they give him credit for.  He tore some ligaments in his left ankle and came back too early (6 weeks), played a few games, and then had to miss another 3 weeks after that.  And then in his second game back after missing effectively 3 months, he played 43 minutes on the second night of a back-to-back.  The Nuggets were missing a ton of players and struggling, and I think Braun was rushed back and overplayed because of this.  As a result, his production and energy both suffered.  To his credit, he played through it and did not miss another game until sitting out the last two of the season to rest for the playoffs, but he was done no favors.

Christian Braun just turned 25.  He was in the rotation of a championship team as a rookie, and a starter for a contender in his 3rd year.  He is coming off a dud of a season, no doubt, but that is why he is a buy-low option.  His salary is not a Payton Pritchard bargain, but it is also not awful.  He could very easily outplay his contract.  I think he will be moved for a price we could pay, and if we are not the ones to get him, I expect us to rue that decision.

Also, regardless of who we get, I think all of our best options involve trading Hauser and using that salary reduction to get more out of the Simons TPE.  He is good but we have enough other guys at his position that we should trade him for a true starter.  That could be the Braun deal as I have proposed, or sending him out in a sign-and-trade for a restricted free agent like Tari Eason, Peyton Watson, Walker Kessler, or Mark Williams.  We have about $13 million to use on one player while staying under the tax.  If we trade Hauser while acquiring that player, we now have about $24 million to spend, which moves us to a very different tier of player.

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I don't think our guard rotation is terrible.  It depends on who you consider a guard and who you consider a wing but I see Brown, White, Pritchard, Hauser, Scheierman, and Gonzalez as all able to play guard.  Maybe Walsh too.  Some of these guys can play SF/wing also.  What I think got exposed vs. PHI is that this group lacks speed.  I tend to agree that another guard, more in the mold of Pritchard, more of a quick ballhandling type would be a good target.  That was Simons, but he did not really work out.  That should not be all that expensive of a role to fill.

If for example Hauser could be traded for a comparable player in terms of talent, but that was more of a true guard that could bring some quickness, I would be for that.

I feel like Simons definitely worked out, we just traded him to get under the tax. He came into the year a little lost, but his defense actually improved to an acceptable level and he bought into his role off the bench, even though he probably didn't deserve to come off the bench. I'd gladly take Simons back at some portion of our MLE. Not sure he wants to come back to us, though

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Chicago Bulls guard Anfernee Simons is out indefinitely after aggravating a left wrist fracture on February 21, 2026, against the Detroit Pistons. The injury, a continuation of a previous fracture from his time with the Celtics, does not currently require surgery, but he is sidelined until pain subsides and healing progresses.

Turns out he was playing with a wrist fracture.  Hard to know how much that impacted his play but it must have had some impact I would think.

I agree with you that if we could get him back for a portion of the MLE, great.  I don't expect there to be a ton of interest in him as a FA.  I don't see him moving the needle all that much but can be a useful bench player and maybe a starter.

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Over the past few seasons I have really moved away from trade/FA speculation because I find it to be so random and unpredictable. The CBA also makes roster transactions equally about on court production and about keeping the books in line for sustained winning. I love the draft because I can speculate then watch over the seasons and see who I was right/wrong on and try to understand what teams where thinking or seeing in a prospect.

With that said my head is spinning thinking about how BS approaches this offseason. The "gap" year was 95% amazing but all that matters is how it just ended....

My questions/thoughts

Assuming JT/JB/White/Pritchard all remain and represent foundational pieces of this roster. I know many will call for changes in this group but I think BS gives them a healthy JT season together.       

Who or what type of player makes the ideal next 4 playoff rotational pieces with these guys?

I'm leaning towards the Cs needing a true 5th starter. At least this season I would classify Hauser, Baylor, Walsh, Hugo and Harper and all capable 7th man aka 2nd guy off the bench. A true 5th starter is needed and I would like to see this player be more combo guard/traditional SG. Adding a 6'4-6'6 guy who can create some offense for himself while still defending and spacing the floor would really help these Cs shooting droughts. It would also be nice if this player like Holiday before him was able to take some of the primary ball handling duties. Finding that player is very difficult. Do the Cs kick the tire on Tatum BFF/Mentor Brad Beal? Is Grayson Allen attainable? Not that it would happen but if a Zach Lavine took a buyout? 

At Center Neema needs a legit 1B backup and Garza needs to be the 3rd big. Rob Williams is a nice fit in this role and a guy the Cs could nurse through the reg season using young backups to eat minutes. Other options could be Nick Richards or Jusuf Nurkic, I really think the Vooch experience should probably just be moved on from. I also think this spot could be filling in the future through creative drafting.


As fare as the rest of the roster I think its time to sell High on Hauser. Good player on a great contract but I want to see his minutes go to Baylor/Walsh/Hugo. If he isnt used to trade for a 5th starter of center I would try to use him to move up from #27 in this draft with Morez Johnson being my primary draft target. I have written a lot about Morez but bottom line he fits this teams defense and bring an edge/energy that is needed. He is mocked by many in the 20s but I suspect he goes in the teens.


All that being said how would Celtics fans feel if this was the roster/rotation going into next season? Understanding that Beal would be on a season long min restriction and back to back restriction giving more time to Baylor/Hugo/Walsh/Harper and the same for Rob Williams giving more minutes to Garza, Williams and Morez

PG White
SG Beal (if Healthy)
SF JB
PF JT
C  Queta

6th PP
7th Baylor
8th Rob Williams
9th Hugo
10th Walsh
11th Garza
12th Harper
13th Morez Johnson (via trade up)
14th A Williams
15th empty till late season


An alternative idea that I just had would be to make a run at Bobby Portis assuming Giannis is moved. Depending on how the Bucks want to approach the post Giannis years I would assume Portis would be an attainable trade target.


Adding a player of his size who also spaces the floor would give the Cs an interesting super sized starting 5.

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Over the past few seasons I have really moved away from trade/FA speculation because I find it to be so random and unpredictable. The CBA also makes roster transactions equally about on court production and about keeping the books in line for sustained winning. I love the draft because I can speculate then watch over the seasons and see who I was right/wrong on and try to understand what teams where thinking or seeing in a prospect.

With that said my head is spinning thinking about how BS approaches this offseason. The "gap" year was 95% amazing but all that matters is how it just ended....

My questions/thoughts

Assuming JT/JB/White/Pritchard all remain and represent foundational pieces of this roster. I know many will call for changes in this group but I think BS gives them a healthy JT season together.       

Who or what type of player makes the ideal next 4 playoff rotational pieces with these guys?

I'm leaning towards the Cs needing a true 5th starter. At least this season I would classify Hauser, Baylor, Walsh, Hugo and Harper and all capable 7th man aka 2nd guy off the bench. A true 5th starter is needed and I would like to see this player be more combo guard/traditional SG. Adding a 6'4-6'6 guy who can create some offense for himself while still defending and spacing the floor would really help these Cs shooting droughts. It would also be nice if this player like Holiday before him was able to take some of the primary ball handling duties. Finding that player is very difficult. Do the Cs kick the tire on Tatum BFF/Mentor Brad Beal? Is Grayson Allen attainable? Not that it would happen but if a Zach Lavine took a buyout? 

At Center Neema needs a legit 1B backup and Garza needs to be the 3rd big. Rob Williams is a nice fit in this role and a guy the Cs could nurse through the reg season using young backups to eat minutes. Other options could be Nick Richards or Jusuf Nurkic, I really think the Vooch experience should probably just be moved on from. I also think this spot could be filling in the future through creative drafting.


As fare as the rest of the roster I think its time to sell High on Hauser. Good player on a great contract but I want to see his minutes go to Baylor/Walsh/Hugo. If he isnt used to trade for a 5th starter of center I would try to use him to move up from #27 in this draft with Morez Johnson being my primary draft target. I have written a lot about Morez but bottom line he fits this teams defense and bring an edge/energy that is needed. He is mocked by many in the 20s but I suspect he goes in the teens.


All that being said how would Celtics fans feel if this was the roster/rotation going into next season? Understanding that Beal would be on a season long min restriction and back to back restriction giving more time to Baylor/Hugo/Walsh/Harper and the same for Rob Williams giving more minutes to Garza, Williams and Morez

PG White
SG Beal (if Healthy)
SF JB
PF JT
C  Queta

6th PP
7th Baylor
8th Rob Williams
9th Hugo
10th Walsh
11th Garza
12th Harper
13th Morez Johnson (via trade up)
14th A Williams
15th empty till late season


An alternative idea that I just had would be to make a run at Bobby Portis assuming Giannis is moved. Depending on how the Bucks want to approach the post Giannis years I would assume Portis would be an attainable trade target.


Adding a player of his size who also spaces the floor would give the Cs an interesting super sized starting 5.

I like that suggestion a lot.

The problem from our end is that every team with access to the Full MLE can fit his salary, so he'd have a large market.


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